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January 24, 2007 at 6:59 AM #44054January 24, 2007 at 9:39 AM #44060sdnativesonParticipant
dz, lol. I would like you to go back only…… 6 years
(I’m a benevolent kinda guy), the date range of March 1st through April 15th. Please tell me in detail all of the appointments you had (everywhere outside of your home you were “present” at) and actually attended. Then, tell me who was present at said appointments, both those whom you spoke to and those that were merely present, provide me the names of those who saw you. Tell me the content of your interactions with both groups. Tell me who left when, who said what etc.January 24, 2007 at 11:26 AM #44087AnonymousGuestToo bad the Democrats don’t have their own Murray Chotiner (look him up). Murray was Richard Nixon’s dirty trickster, a mean SOB and he makes Karl Rove looks like a rank amateur in comparison.
It’s time to give the repubs some of their own medicine.
January 24, 2007 at 11:54 AM #44092sdnativesonParticipantph, as a collective, they have no need.
January 30, 2007 at 8:38 AM #44395PerryChaseParticipantCNN debunks false report about Obama
POSTED: 2:01 a.m. EST, January 23, 2007Story Highlights:
• Report alleges Illinois senator attended radical Muslim school as a child
• CNN reporter visits Indonesia school in question, sees no radicalism
• Former classmate calls school “general,” with multiple religionshttp://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html
April 4, 2007 at 4:10 PM #49209PerryChaseParticipantConsidering the amount of money Obama raised, there’s a good chance that he can win the primary and the presidency.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/04/obama.fundraising/index.html
I think that the economy going in the tank will work to Obama’s advantage because people would be more willing to throw out the status quo and try something new. If white people loose their houses en masse, what’s left to protect? Might as well vote for a Black man.
Obama might even get the woman’s vote since he’s pretty charming a la JFK. I think that women do go for a nice smile and the color barrier is slowly breaking down. I think that some evangelist said that rap/hip-hop music is co-opting the white youth of America.
April 4, 2007 at 4:15 PM #49212AnonymousGuestOnly problem is that Obama is not a black man…
April 4, 2007 at 8:52 PM #49233TheBreezeParticipantPerry, I’m a white dude. Is it OK if I vote for Obama because I think that he’s the best choice or do I have to vote for him because he’s “black”? Please advise.
April 4, 2007 at 9:22 PM #49239AnonymousGuestWhat impact does a candidate’s religious affiliation have with voters? Does it matter that Mitt Romney is Mormon, or that Barack Obama is a member of the most far left liberal Protestant denomination in the US, the UCC?
April 4, 2007 at 9:35 PM #49241TheBreezeParticipantI guess if you believe in fairy tales (e.g., God, Democracy in Iraq), then you might take religion into account. Personally, I plan to vote for the most intelligent candidate. That candidate is very obviously Barack Obama.
April 4, 2007 at 9:41 PM #49244partypupParticipantI went to law school with Obama and was a member of Harvard Law Review when he was elected president. I voted for Obama then. At the time, I believed what qualified him to be president was his amiable nature (so many on the Review were just plain annoying), intelligence, and the fact that he was well-spoken and thoughtful. But something in the back of my mind always nagged me about him…something I couldn’t quite put a finger on. Certainly, he tended toward arrogance — as do so many at Harvard. Some of my classmates dubbed him a “smooth operator”. He went out of his way not to say anything controversial or exceptionally unique. He never “rocked the boat”, and when he spoke I always got the feeling that he was looking past me, past this moment, and plotting two or three steps ahead. Very calculating, very deliberate. Looking back, I now realize that what I saw in Obama was naked ambition.
When Obama first announced that he was running, my first thought was “What the hell? He can’t be any worse than any of the white candidates, so why not give him a shot?? But as his campaign has moved forward and as this race has unfolded, it has become clear to me that people are supporting Obama for the wrong reasons: they actually believe this man WILL make a difference, that he will somehow change their lives and set this country on a new and better course for the future. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Based on the man I knew in law school and the pre-packaged, faux-MLK soundbites he has grown accustomed to delivering now, I am firmly convinced that no Democratic candidate — with the exception of Hillary — has become more co-opted and firmly a part of the political Machine. How can you honestly believe that Obama is working outside the system when he admits to receiving investment advice from his “good friend”, Warren Buffett? When Oprah loans him her private jet for fundraising trips? When George Clooney, David Geffen and Steven Spielberg fawn over him like schoolgirls? When he visits Wall Street to raise money?
It is telling that Obama has had to work harder to garner support from black constituents than he has to win over his white, upper middle class supporters. Historically, blacks have developed an instinct for things and people not to be trusted. Call it a survival skill. But luckily Obama can count on the white folks, because he relieves their guilt and makes them feel like we have “come so far” as a people. The tall, charming bi-racial man became a success story. The system must work!
But if you listen very carefully to Obama, and you aren’t swept away by the cult of personality (as an earlier poster so aptly put it), you will notice that Obama isn’t saying anything new or revolutionary. He is gaining traction simply because he is smart, charming, has a resume too sparse to yield and scandals or mistakes — and oh yes, he ISN’T Hillary Clinton.
Obama never speaks to what truly ails this country: a crushing national debt, a dollar that is falling in value so rapidly that it boggles the mind, a silent war being waged on the middle class, our dependence on foreign debt to sustain ourselves. No, instead Obama would rather wax poetic about “dreams” of the father he never met and offer glib platitudes to the multitude of Americans who could use more truth and cold, hard reality and less Tony Robbins, Dr. Feelgood campaign speak. And by the way, his foreign policy isn’t revolutionary, either. He has strong ties with AIPAC, actively courts them, and has vowed to “neutralize” Iran at all costs, including militarily. Make no mistake: this man will drag us into another war, just as Hillary, Pelosi or Dubya would. The wealthy shareholders in Obama, Inc. would have it no other way.
But what is perhaps most disturbing about Obama is his infatuation with HIMSELF. Even amongst the self-indulgent crowd in the Beltway, Obama has taken narcissism to new heights. Doodling portraits of himself while he waits to speak; using every spare moment during Congressional recess to write books (and ask yourself why a man 45 years old deems his life important enough to write two books about his life and his thoughts? Can we expect 15 memoirs by the time he is 60?) Pumping his fist like a rapper when he appears on Oprah.
Obama, like a child star, has risen so far, so fast — that the money, attention and acclaim seem to have dazed him. And who could expect otherwise? We are so incredibly jaded and desperate for leadership that we have chosen to hitch our wagon to someone freshly emerged from the womb — simply because they haven’t screwed up yet, don’t have any ostensible baggage, and may us feel warm and fuzzy about the future.
I think it’s a mistake to be fooled by Obama, and I believe the next 18 mos will prove me right. When the gleam wears off and a more critical eye is used, we will see that Obama is more flash than substance, more Hollywood-revolutionary than civil rights revolutionary.
TK, if you are voting for Obama because you want change, because you want to see this country move in a radically different direction that will return power to the middle class, restore America to greatness, and because you want to see someone think and operate outside the box…then you are bound to be sorely disappointed if Obama is elected (which, by the way, is about as likely as Hillary being elected — i.e., it ain’t hapening in these United States anytime soon. The vast majority of red America just isn’t ready for a woman, a black man — hell, not even a white Catholic man or a Mormon!). But if you are voting for Obama because you want to tread the path of least resistance, keep rowing in the same general direction we’ve been heading and hear some pep talk along the way as we head off toward the raging rapids ahead, then Obama is your man.
The choice is yours. Be informed in your decision-making. Be critical with your questions. You owe it to yourself and to this country not to be swayed by the cult of personality.
April 4, 2007 at 9:52 PM #49246AnonymousGuestMakes sense, pp.
You guys say he’s smart, I say he’s a smooth talker; there’s a difference. What he says seems like empty calories to me, kind of like the stuff Bill C. puts forth.
Lovely how he treats the folks who raised him:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/3/30/122029.shtml
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/070323obama-early-photogallery,0,885637.photogallery?coll=sfla-home-utility&index=26Please do send your donations to Osama, now. He needs all the help he can get against Hitlery. Breaks my heart to see those two tangle.
April 4, 2007 at 9:56 PM #49247TheBreezeParticipantLadies and Gentlemen, please give a big hand to the Harvard Law Review Veterans for Truth! That was a whole lotta’ bullshit you just spewed there. Riddle me this, if Obama is so afraid to rock the boat, why did he speak out against the war back in 2002 when everybody and their brother was for it?
April 4, 2007 at 10:04 PM #49250AnonymousGuestBecause he was tired of every single person who has ever known him describing him as amiable, agreeable and one who does not rock the boat.
April 4, 2007 at 10:10 PM #49253TheBreezeParticipantjuice, I view Obama’s public stance against the war back in 2002 as a very ballsy and very correct position. He predicted back in 2002 that Iraq would become a quagmire and he was right. Barack is smart, he speaks his mind, and he has the ability to inspire. The rest of the candidates, like our current president, are impotent go-alongs who couldn’t find their respective asses with both hands.
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