bailing out robert toll

[Rich Toscano]

An article by former nc timeser Zach Fox contains some choice quotes on the homebuilder loss carryback handout:
http://www1.snl.com/Interactivex/article.aspx?CDID=A-10875407-12590

From Chris Thornberg:

“Of course not. They’re not building any homes; there’s still too many of them kicking around,” Christopher Thornberg, a principal at Beacon Economics in Los Angeles, told SNL. “Permits, starts are still flat; they’re still at a bottom. It’s a bailout. It’s a bailout for builders. It’s a bailout for Robert Toll. They’re bailing out Robert Toll. Repeat after me, they are bailing out Robert Toll. What’s wrong with this picture?”

And from our own Ramsey Su:

“It’s a total freebie. It’s one of the worst policies. It’s a total payoff. There was hardly any discussion and it was snuck into that other bill. It just got passed because everybody got paid off,” Su told SNL. “It’s probably the worst act of corruption, but how are you going to show that? If you go near someone, they’re going to say, ‘We have to stimulate construction jobs.'”

Good stuff.

rich

[SD Realtor]

How wrong we all were Rich, how wrong we all were…

[SD Realtor]

How wrong we all were Rich, how wrong we all were…

[SD Realtor]

How wrong we all were Rich, how wrong we all were…

[SD Realtor]

How wrong we all were Rich, how wrong we all were…

[SD Realtor]

How wrong we all were Rich, how wrong we all were…

[XBoxBoy]

I’m wondering if before we all get up in arms about this, if someone could explain to me, how exactly this bailout worked. Ya know… the logistics.

If I understand things correctly, this is what has happened:

1) Home builders had profits in past years, and they paid income tax on those profits.

2) Because of market changes the homebuilders are now taking losses.

3) Prior to the change in the law if this happened you could revise your previous taxes going back up to two years and move some of your current losses back to the profitable years, thus reducing your previous taxes. The difference in taxes will then be refunded to you.

4) The law was changed to allow home builders (maybe others as well?) to move their losses back up to five years which allows them to recoup more previously paid taxes.

Is this more or less correct? I’m no accountant, so all this could be completely wrong. If so, can someone straighten me out? (My wife would really appreciate it, she’s been trying for years and can’t quite seem to get me straightened out. Though she swears I’m getting better!)

Thanks,

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

I’m wondering if before we all get up in arms about this, if someone could explain to me, how exactly this bailout worked. Ya know… the logistics.

If I understand things correctly, this is what has happened:

1) Home builders had profits in past years, and they paid income tax on those profits.

2) Because of market changes the homebuilders are now taking losses.

3) Prior to the change in the law if this happened you could revise your previous taxes going back up to two years and move some of your current losses back to the profitable years, thus reducing your previous taxes. The difference in taxes will then be refunded to you.

4) The law was changed to allow home builders (maybe others as well?) to move their losses back up to five years which allows them to recoup more previously paid taxes.

Is this more or less correct? I’m no accountant, so all this could be completely wrong. If so, can someone straighten me out? (My wife would really appreciate it, she’s been trying for years and can’t quite seem to get me straightened out. Though she swears I’m getting better!)

Thanks,

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

I’m wondering if before we all get up in arms about this, if someone could explain to me, how exactly this bailout worked. Ya know… the logistics.

If I understand things correctly, this is what has happened:

1) Home builders had profits in past years, and they paid income tax on those profits.

2) Because of market changes the homebuilders are now taking losses.

3) Prior to the change in the law if this happened you could revise your previous taxes going back up to two years and move some of your current losses back to the profitable years, thus reducing your previous taxes. The difference in taxes will then be refunded to you.

4) The law was changed to allow home builders (maybe others as well?) to move their losses back up to five years which allows them to recoup more previously paid taxes.

Is this more or less correct? I’m no accountant, so all this could be completely wrong. If so, can someone straighten me out? (My wife would really appreciate it, she’s been trying for years and can’t quite seem to get me straightened out. Though she swears I’m getting better!)

Thanks,

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

I’m wondering if before we all get up in arms about this, if someone could explain to me, how exactly this bailout worked. Ya know… the logistics.

If I understand things correctly, this is what has happened:

1) Home builders had profits in past years, and they paid income tax on those profits.

2) Because of market changes the homebuilders are now taking losses.

3) Prior to the change in the law if this happened you could revise your previous taxes going back up to two years and move some of your current losses back to the profitable years, thus reducing your previous taxes. The difference in taxes will then be refunded to you.

4) The law was changed to allow home builders (maybe others as well?) to move their losses back up to five years which allows them to recoup more previously paid taxes.

Is this more or less correct? I’m no accountant, so all this could be completely wrong. If so, can someone straighten me out? (My wife would really appreciate it, she’s been trying for years and can’t quite seem to get me straightened out. Though she swears I’m getting better!)

Thanks,

XBoxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

I’m wondering if before we all get up in arms about this, if someone could explain to me, how exactly this bailout worked. Ya know… the logistics.

If I understand things correctly, this is what has happened:

1) Home builders had profits in past years, and they paid income tax on those profits.

2) Because of market changes the homebuilders are now taking losses.

3) Prior to the change in the law if this happened you could revise your previous taxes going back up to two years and move some of your current losses back to the profitable years, thus reducing your previous taxes. The difference in taxes will then be refunded to you.

4) The law was changed to allow home builders (maybe others as well?) to move their losses back up to five years which allows them to recoup more previously paid taxes.

Is this more or less correct? I’m no accountant, so all this could be completely wrong. If so, can someone straighten me out? (My wife would really appreciate it, she’s been trying for years and can’t quite seem to get me straightened out. Though she swears I’m getting better!)

Thanks,

XBoxBoy

[davelj]

[quote=XBoxBoy]I’m wondering if before we all get up in arms about this, if someone could explain to me, how exactly this bailout worked. Ya know… the logistics.

If I understand things correctly, this is what has happened:

1) Home builders had profits in past years, and they paid income tax on those profits.

2) Because of market changes the homebuilders are now taking losses.

3) Prior to the change in the law if this happened you could revise your previous taxes going back up to two years and move some of your current losses back to the profitable years, thus reducing your previous taxes. The difference in taxes will then be refunded to you.

4) The law was changed to allow home builders (maybe others as well?) to move their losses back up to five years which allows them to recoup more previously paid taxes.

Is this more or less correct? I’m no accountant, so all this could be completely wrong. If so, can someone straighten me out? (My wife would really appreciate it, she’s been trying for years and can’t quite seem to get me straightened out. Though she swears I’m getting better!)

Thanks,

XBoxBoy[/quote]

As I understand it, you’ve got it approximately right.

So, there are two ways to look at this. One is that Toll is getting a freebie that they should never have gotten (Rich’s view – which is legitimate). The second way to look at it is that there’s nothing wrong with Toll’s receiving this benefit SO LONG AS EVERY OTHER COMPANY AND INDIVIDUAL GETS THE SAME BENEFIT. My problem with this crap is not so much that Toll gets this benefit, but rather that everyone else doesn’t get the same benefit. Mine is a level-playing-field argument.

[davelj]

[quote=XBoxBoy]I’m wondering if before we all get up in arms about this, if someone could explain to me, how exactly this bailout worked. Ya know… the logistics.

If I understand things correctly, this is what has happened:

1) Home builders had profits in past years, and they paid income tax on those profits.

2) Because of market changes the homebuilders are now taking losses.

3) Prior to the change in the law if this happened you could revise your previous taxes going back up to two years and move some of your current losses back to the profitable years, thus reducing your previous taxes. The difference in taxes will then be refunded to you.

4) The law was changed to allow home builders (maybe others as well?) to move their losses back up to five years which allows them to recoup more previously paid taxes.

Is this more or less correct? I’m no accountant, so all this could be completely wrong. If so, can someone straighten me out? (My wife would really appreciate it, she’s been trying for years and can’t quite seem to get me straightened out. Though she swears I’m getting better!)

Thanks,

XBoxBoy[/quote]

As I understand it, you’ve got it approximately right.

So, there are two ways to look at this. One is that Toll is getting a freebie that they should never have gotten (Rich’s view – which is legitimate). The second way to look at it is that there’s nothing wrong with Toll’s receiving this benefit SO LONG AS EVERY OTHER COMPANY AND INDIVIDUAL GETS THE SAME BENEFIT. My problem with this crap is not so much that Toll gets this benefit, but rather that everyone else doesn’t get the same benefit. Mine is a level-playing-field argument.

[davelj]

[quote=XBoxBoy]I’m wondering if before we all get up in arms about this, if someone could explain to me, how exactly this bailout worked. Ya know… the logistics.

If I understand things correctly, this is what has happened:

1) Home builders had profits in past years, and they paid income tax on those profits.

2) Because of market changes the homebuilders are now taking losses.

3) Prior to the change in the law if this happened you could revise your previous taxes going back up to two years and move some of your current losses back to the profitable years, thus reducing your previous taxes. The difference in taxes will then be refunded to you.

4) The law was changed to allow home builders (maybe others as well?) to move their losses back up to five years which allows them to recoup more previously paid taxes.

Is this more or less correct? I’m no accountant, so all this could be completely wrong. If so, can someone straighten me out? (My wife would really appreciate it, she’s been trying for years and can’t quite seem to get me straightened out. Though she swears I’m getting better!)

Thanks,

XBoxBoy[/quote]

As I understand it, you’ve got it approximately right.

So, there are two ways to look at this. One is that Toll is getting a freebie that they should never have gotten (Rich’s view – which is legitimate). The second way to look at it is that there’s nothing wrong with Toll’s receiving this benefit SO LONG AS EVERY OTHER COMPANY AND INDIVIDUAL GETS THE SAME BENEFIT. My problem with this crap is not so much that Toll gets this benefit, but rather that everyone else doesn’t get the same benefit. Mine is a level-playing-field argument.

[davelj]

[quote=XBoxBoy]I’m wondering if before we all get up in arms about this, if someone could explain to me, how exactly this bailout worked. Ya know… the logistics.

If I understand things correctly, this is what has happened:

1) Home builders had profits in past years, and they paid income tax on those profits.

2) Because of market changes the homebuilders are now taking losses.

3) Prior to the change in the law if this happened you could revise your previous taxes going back up to two years and move some of your current losses back to the profitable years, thus reducing your previous taxes. The difference in taxes will then be refunded to you.

4) The law was changed to allow home builders (maybe others as well?) to move their losses back up to five years which allows them to recoup more previously paid taxes.

Is this more or less correct? I’m no accountant, so all this could be completely wrong. If so, can someone straighten me out? (My wife would really appreciate it, she’s been trying for years and can’t quite seem to get me straightened out. Though she swears I’m getting better!)

Thanks,

XBoxBoy[/quote]

As I understand it, you’ve got it approximately right.

So, there are two ways to look at this. One is that Toll is getting a freebie that they should never have gotten (Rich’s view – which is legitimate). The second way to look at it is that there’s nothing wrong with Toll’s receiving this benefit SO LONG AS EVERY OTHER COMPANY AND INDIVIDUAL GETS THE SAME BENEFIT. My problem with this crap is not so much that Toll gets this benefit, but rather that everyone else doesn’t get the same benefit. Mine is a level-playing-field argument.

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