Average SD family 2000 vs 2010

[ILoveRegulation]

[quote=AN]
Go read the data and come back here and tell me what you see.[/quote]

I see data that hasn’t been adjusted for inflation. The SignOnSanDiego data is adjusted for inflation and shows that buying power of the median household has gone down over the last nine years.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ILoveRegulation][quote=AN]
Go read the data and come back here and tell me what you see.[/quote]

I see data that hasn’t been adjusted for inflation. The SignOnSanDiego data is adjusted for inflation and shows that buying power of the median household has gone down over the last nine years.[/quote]

Based on my own experience, I tend to agree with this.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ILoveRegulation][quote=AN]
Go read the data and come back here and tell me what you see.[/quote]

I see data that hasn’t been adjusted for inflation. The SignOnSanDiego data is adjusted for inflation and shows that buying power of the median household has gone down over the last nine years.[/quote]

Based on my own experience, I tend to agree with this.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ILoveRegulation][quote=AN]
Go read the data and come back here and tell me what you see.[/quote]

I see data that hasn’t been adjusted for inflation. The SignOnSanDiego data is adjusted for inflation and shows that buying power of the median household has gone down over the last nine years.[/quote]

Based on my own experience, I tend to agree with this.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ILoveRegulation][quote=AN]
Go read the data and come back here and tell me what you see.[/quote]

I see data that hasn’t been adjusted for inflation. The SignOnSanDiego data is adjusted for inflation and shows that buying power of the median household has gone down over the last nine years.[/quote]

Based on my own experience, I tend to agree with this.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ILoveRegulation][quote=AN]
Go read the data and come back here and tell me what you see.[/quote]

I see data that hasn’t been adjusted for inflation. The SignOnSanDiego data is adjusted for inflation and shows that buying power of the median household has gone down over the last nine years.[/quote]

Based on my own experience, I tend to agree with this.

[CA renter]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

Thanks, permabear. 🙂

Unfortunately, if someone runs for office, they are no longer allowed to speak the truth, which is why I doubt we’ll ever see the needed reform to get our country back on track.

[CA renter]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

Thanks, permabear. 🙂

Unfortunately, if someone runs for office, they are no longer allowed to speak the truth, which is why I doubt we’ll ever see the needed reform to get our country back on track.

[CA renter]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

Thanks, permabear. 🙂

Unfortunately, if someone runs for office, they are no longer allowed to speak the truth, which is why I doubt we’ll ever see the needed reform to get our country back on track.

[CA renter]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

Thanks, permabear. 🙂

Unfortunately, if someone runs for office, they are no longer allowed to speak the truth, which is why I doubt we’ll ever see the needed reform to get our country back on track.

[CA renter]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

Thanks, permabear. 🙂

Unfortunately, if someone runs for office, they are no longer allowed to speak the truth, which is why I doubt we’ll ever see the needed reform to get our country back on track.

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

While there is some truth to this I dont completely agree. Whats wrong with Clairemont or Mira Mesa? They have a great location, decent size lots many of which are on canyons, affordable home prices. In NC there is Oceanside, Vista, SM and ESC which have very nice parts. There are choices. I think its people’s tastes and expectations that have changed. Many people have risen up from humble upbringings and succeeded by investing in their educations. While they may decry having to live with the Skip and Buffy’s of the world, that segment has always been there too and in the same places. Why would people expect them to leave the nicer places?

I’m more inclined to side with protorio’s “luxury for all” hypothesis.[/quote]

sdr,

With all due respect, I’ve lived in Southern California all my life (except for a couple of years overseas as a child). I’ve seen how neighborhoods have changed here, and watched the demographic changes first-hand. While some families certainly want to live above what is their traditional/historical station in life, that’s always been the case. The neighborhoods and houses you think of as “exclusive” were historically normal, middle-class neighborhoods for working families. The families haven’t changed their taste, but the neighborhoods have been the recipients/beneficiaries of “white/Asian flight” as people flee to smaller and smaller areas that are considered safe and clean with good schools. “Skip and Buffy” never lived in these areas before, and the wealthy families who did were usually very understated, not at all focused on wealth or status. The “Skips and Buffys” are new entrants, not old-timers.

BTW, the “good” areas in O’side, Vista, Escondido, etc. that are safe and clean (very few, and are usually surrounded by “bad” areas) are priced at levels that are pretty comparable to your “exclusive” neighborhoods. Families who want to stay out of the more dangerous neighborhoods are given very few options, and almost all of them are priced at a steep premium.

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

While there is some truth to this I dont completely agree. Whats wrong with Clairemont or Mira Mesa? They have a great location, decent size lots many of which are on canyons, affordable home prices. In NC there is Oceanside, Vista, SM and ESC which have very nice parts. There are choices. I think its people’s tastes and expectations that have changed. Many people have risen up from humble upbringings and succeeded by investing in their educations. While they may decry having to live with the Skip and Buffy’s of the world, that segment has always been there too and in the same places. Why would people expect them to leave the nicer places?

I’m more inclined to side with protorio’s “luxury for all” hypothesis.[/quote]

sdr,

With all due respect, I’ve lived in Southern California all my life (except for a couple of years overseas as a child). I’ve seen how neighborhoods have changed here, and watched the demographic changes first-hand. While some families certainly want to live above what is their traditional/historical station in life, that’s always been the case. The neighborhoods and houses you think of as “exclusive” were historically normal, middle-class neighborhoods for working families. The families haven’t changed their taste, but the neighborhoods have been the recipients/beneficiaries of “white/Asian flight” as people flee to smaller and smaller areas that are considered safe and clean with good schools. “Skip and Buffy” never lived in these areas before, and the wealthy families who did were usually very understated, not at all focused on wealth or status. The “Skips and Buffys” are new entrants, not old-timers.

BTW, the “good” areas in O’side, Vista, Escondido, etc. that are safe and clean (very few, and are usually surrounded by “bad” areas) are priced at levels that are pretty comparable to your “exclusive” neighborhoods. Families who want to stay out of the more dangerous neighborhoods are given very few options, and almost all of them are priced at a steep premium.

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

While there is some truth to this I dont completely agree. Whats wrong with Clairemont or Mira Mesa? They have a great location, decent size lots many of which are on canyons, affordable home prices. In NC there is Oceanside, Vista, SM and ESC which have very nice parts. There are choices. I think its people’s tastes and expectations that have changed. Many people have risen up from humble upbringings and succeeded by investing in their educations. While they may decry having to live with the Skip and Buffy’s of the world, that segment has always been there too and in the same places. Why would people expect them to leave the nicer places?

I’m more inclined to side with protorio’s “luxury for all” hypothesis.[/quote]

sdr,

With all due respect, I’ve lived in Southern California all my life (except for a couple of years overseas as a child). I’ve seen how neighborhoods have changed here, and watched the demographic changes first-hand. While some families certainly want to live above what is their traditional/historical station in life, that’s always been the case. The neighborhoods and houses you think of as “exclusive” were historically normal, middle-class neighborhoods for working families. The families haven’t changed their taste, but the neighborhoods have been the recipients/beneficiaries of “white/Asian flight” as people flee to smaller and smaller areas that are considered safe and clean with good schools. “Skip and Buffy” never lived in these areas before, and the wealthy families who did were usually very understated, not at all focused on wealth or status. The “Skips and Buffys” are new entrants, not old-timers.

BTW, the “good” areas in O’side, Vista, Escondido, etc. that are safe and clean (very few, and are usually surrounded by “bad” areas) are priced at levels that are pretty comparable to your “exclusive” neighborhoods. Families who want to stay out of the more dangerous neighborhoods are given very few options, and almost all of them are priced at a steep premium.

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

+1

And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

While there is some truth to this I dont completely agree. Whats wrong with Clairemont or Mira Mesa? They have a great location, decent size lots many of which are on canyons, affordable home prices. In NC there is Oceanside, Vista, SM and ESC which have very nice parts. There are choices. I think its people’s tastes and expectations that have changed. Many people have risen up from humble upbringings and succeeded by investing in their educations. While they may decry having to live with the Skip and Buffy’s of the world, that segment has always been there too and in the same places. Why would people expect them to leave the nicer places?

I’m more inclined to side with protorio’s “luxury for all” hypothesis.[/quote]

sdr,

With all due respect, I’ve lived in Southern California all my life (except for a couple of years overseas as a child). I’ve seen how neighborhoods have changed here, and watched the demographic changes first-hand. While some families certainly want to live above what is their traditional/historical station in life, that’s always been the case. The neighborhoods and houses you think of as “exclusive” were historically normal, middle-class neighborhoods for working families. The families haven’t changed their taste, but the neighborhoods have been the recipients/beneficiaries of “white/Asian flight” as people flee to smaller and smaller areas that are considered safe and clean with good schools. “Skip and Buffy” never lived in these areas before, and the wealthy families who did were usually very understated, not at all focused on wealth or status. The “Skips and Buffys” are new entrants, not old-timers.

BTW, the “good” areas in O’side, Vista, Escondido, etc. that are safe and clean (very few, and are usually surrounded by “bad” areas) are priced at levels that are pretty comparable to your “exclusive” neighborhoods. Families who want to stay out of the more dangerous neighborhoods are given very few options, and almost all of them are priced at a steep premium.

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