Average SD family 2000 vs 2010

[sdrealtor]

[quote=permabear][quote=CA renter]
Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods, so that today’s families have to choose between gang-infested barrios, or insanely-priced, “fancy” neighborhoods where all the white and Asian families are fleeing to in order to escape the gang ‘hoods. It’s like people have been left with no real options: they either subject their children to the gangs at school and in their neighborhoods, or they have to pay the piper to get them into schools with “Buffy” and “Skip” so they can feel safe and get a decent education. There is no more “middle” left in our society, and this speaks to the root of our problems, and the problems of the world, right now, IMHO.[/quote]

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And there are plenty of stats to back this up.

CAR, when are you running for office? :-)[/quote]

While there is some truth to this I dont completely agree. Whats wrong with Clairemont or Mira Mesa? They have a great location, decent size lots many of which are on canyons, affordable home prices. In NC there is Oceanside, Vista, SM and ESC which have very nice parts. There are choices. I think its people’s tastes and expectations that have changed. Many people have risen up from humble upbringings and succeeded by investing in their educations. While they may decry having to live with the Skip and Buffy’s of the world, that segment has always been there too and in the same places. Why would people expect them to leave the nicer places?

I’m more inclined to side with protorio’s “luxury for all” hypothesis.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio][quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

Excellent post, protorio. Even 20 years ago, when I worked as an agent in census tracts served by Union Bank’s “Economic Opportunity” mortgage program, some of my first-time buyers would cruise the ‘hoods first and visit the “corner store.” Often the “corner store” was run by families of Middle Eastern descent. This alone would be enough for some of them to shun a neighborhood when they met the criteria for the great rate and terms of the Economic Oppt’y mortgage, were hamstrung by its census tracts and their top price range was about $130K!

These small businesses run by “Middle Eastern” families have been a phenomenon throughout the US since the 70’s and grew exponentially in the 80’s . . . yes, even in the rural midwest and southwest.

Earlier this week I attended a local eve class here in the South County. There were about 30 people in the class and NOT ONE appeared to be of “Hispanic” descent. ALL were locals because it was a local organization. Just because someone has an “Hispanic” surname doesn’t make them “Hispanic.” I think the overall misconception about South County with those are unfamiliar with it is that it is overwhelmingingly “brown people” and/or illegal immigrants and crime is rampant and that couldn’t be further from the truth. It is a melting pot of EVERY race/nationality representative of our county, state and country.

If folks don’t want to move to South County because of their erroneous misconceptions, I could care less. I’ll just enjoy my large house on a large lot (no HOA/MR) with mature tree-lined wide sidewalks and convenience to everything. My roads, post offices, gov’t offices and courts will be less crowded. Thank you for not looking :=]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio][quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

Excellent post, protorio. Even 20 years ago, when I worked as an agent in census tracts served by Union Bank’s “Economic Opportunity” mortgage program, some of my first-time buyers would cruise the ‘hoods first and visit the “corner store.” Often the “corner store” was run by families of Middle Eastern descent. This alone would be enough for some of them to shun a neighborhood when they met the criteria for the great rate and terms of the Economic Oppt’y mortgage, were hamstrung by its census tracts and their top price range was about $130K!

These small businesses run by “Middle Eastern” families have been a phenomenon throughout the US since the 70’s and grew exponentially in the 80’s . . . yes, even in the rural midwest and southwest.

Earlier this week I attended a local eve class here in the South County. There were about 30 people in the class and NOT ONE appeared to be of “Hispanic” descent. ALL were locals because it was a local organization. Just because someone has an “Hispanic” surname doesn’t make them “Hispanic.” I think the overall misconception about South County with those are unfamiliar with it is that it is overwhelmingingly “brown people” and/or illegal immigrants and crime is rampant and that couldn’t be further from the truth. It is a melting pot of EVERY race/nationality representative of our county, state and country.

If folks don’t want to move to South County because of their erroneous misconceptions, I could care less. I’ll just enjoy my large house on a large lot (no HOA/MR) with mature tree-lined wide sidewalks and convenience to everything. My roads, post offices, gov’t offices and courts will be less crowded. Thank you for not looking :=]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio][quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

Excellent post, protorio. Even 20 years ago, when I worked as an agent in census tracts served by Union Bank’s “Economic Opportunity” mortgage program, some of my first-time buyers would cruise the ‘hoods first and visit the “corner store.” Often the “corner store” was run by families of Middle Eastern descent. This alone would be enough for some of them to shun a neighborhood when they met the criteria for the great rate and terms of the Economic Oppt’y mortgage, were hamstrung by its census tracts and their top price range was about $130K!

These small businesses run by “Middle Eastern” families have been a phenomenon throughout the US since the 70’s and grew exponentially in the 80’s . . . yes, even in the rural midwest and southwest.

Earlier this week I attended a local eve class here in the South County. There were about 30 people in the class and NOT ONE appeared to be of “Hispanic” descent. ALL were locals because it was a local organization. Just because someone has an “Hispanic” surname doesn’t make them “Hispanic.” I think the overall misconception about South County with those are unfamiliar with it is that it is overwhelmingingly “brown people” and/or illegal immigrants and crime is rampant and that couldn’t be further from the truth. It is a melting pot of EVERY race/nationality representative of our county, state and country.

If folks don’t want to move to South County because of their erroneous misconceptions, I could care less. I’ll just enjoy my large house on a large lot (no HOA/MR) with mature tree-lined wide sidewalks and convenience to everything. My roads, post offices, gov’t offices and courts will be less crowded. Thank you for not looking :=]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio][quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

Excellent post, protorio. Even 20 years ago, when I worked as an agent in census tracts served by Union Bank’s “Economic Opportunity” mortgage program, some of my first-time buyers would cruise the ‘hoods first and visit the “corner store.” Often the “corner store” was run by families of Middle Eastern descent. This alone would be enough for some of them to shun a neighborhood when they met the criteria for the great rate and terms of the Economic Oppt’y mortgage, were hamstrung by its census tracts and their top price range was about $130K!

These small businesses run by “Middle Eastern” families have been a phenomenon throughout the US since the 70’s and grew exponentially in the 80’s . . . yes, even in the rural midwest and southwest.

Earlier this week I attended a local eve class here in the South County. There were about 30 people in the class and NOT ONE appeared to be of “Hispanic” descent. ALL were locals because it was a local organization. Just because someone has an “Hispanic” surname doesn’t make them “Hispanic.” I think the overall misconception about South County with those are unfamiliar with it is that it is overwhelmingingly “brown people” and/or illegal immigrants and crime is rampant and that couldn’t be further from the truth. It is a melting pot of EVERY race/nationality representative of our county, state and country.

If folks don’t want to move to South County because of their erroneous misconceptions, I could care less. I’ll just enjoy my large house on a large lot (no HOA/MR) with mature tree-lined wide sidewalks and convenience to everything. My roads, post offices, gov’t offices and courts will be less crowded. Thank you for not looking :=]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio][quote=CA renter] Along with the decimation of the middle class, we’ve seen the decimation of middle class neighborhoods[/quote]

This is absolutely right. But there still the taste culture thing. Over the last 10 years, we’ve been told “luxury for all,” so for a lot of people, its Carmel Valley or nothing. As we’ve seen on recent threads, quiet, diverse neighborhoods like San Carlos are not even on people’s radar. Its about aspiration and homogeniety.

I think San Diego will begin to live up to its potential when people with means move and invest in nice family neighborhoods in places like Clairemont, San Carlos, La Mesa, Serra Mesa, Morena, etc and live a simpler economic life rather than really, really stretching to make some area with perceived status. Then all those neighborhoods become better, and the new residents will have a lot more money to spend enjoying San Diego. Hell, even parts of Linda Vista, National City, & Rolando are ripe for the picking. But you can’t be afraid of people who look different from you – you need to see diversity as an asset especially for your kids. I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

Excellent post, protorio. Even 20 years ago, when I worked as an agent in census tracts served by Union Bank’s “Economic Opportunity” mortgage program, some of my first-time buyers would cruise the ‘hoods first and visit the “corner store.” Often the “corner store” was run by families of Middle Eastern descent. This alone would be enough for some of them to shun a neighborhood when they met the criteria for the great rate and terms of the Economic Oppt’y mortgage, were hamstrung by its census tracts and their top price range was about $130K!

These small businesses run by “Middle Eastern” families have been a phenomenon throughout the US since the 70’s and grew exponentially in the 80’s . . . yes, even in the rural midwest and southwest.

Earlier this week I attended a local eve class here in the South County. There were about 30 people in the class and NOT ONE appeared to be of “Hispanic” descent. ALL were locals because it was a local organization. Just because someone has an “Hispanic” surname doesn’t make them “Hispanic.” I think the overall misconception about South County with those are unfamiliar with it is that it is overwhelmingingly “brown people” and/or illegal immigrants and crime is rampant and that couldn’t be further from the truth. It is a melting pot of EVERY race/nationality representative of our county, state and country.

If folks don’t want to move to South County because of their erroneous misconceptions, I could care less. I’ll just enjoy my large house on a large lot (no HOA/MR) with mature tree-lined wide sidewalks and convenience to everything. My roads, post offices, gov’t offices and courts will be less crowded. Thank you for not looking :=]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio]. . . I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

protorio, I think what brought more residents with money into 92105, more specifically to “City Heights” in recent years was CalTrans and the City’s ambitious collaborative “Cut & Cover” project over I-15, which used to be busy “40th St” (yes, with houses on both sides, lol). This invited a lot of small businesses and recreation into the area who wouldn’t go in before. Then the nearby Colima Community Center (92115) was invested in by the Joan Kroc trust, giving it an ice skating rink and other upgrades. This, coupled with SDUSD bringing magnet programs to Crawford High brought residents with more money into the Rolando area as well.

Having volunteered for the “Save Our Canyons” committee in the 80’s, I saw all this on the drawing board (except the ice rink as the Kroc bequest was unknown at that time) years before it manifested.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio]. . . I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

protorio, I think what brought more residents with money into 92105, more specifically to “City Heights” in recent years was CalTrans and the City’s ambitious collaborative “Cut & Cover” project over I-15, which used to be busy “40th St” (yes, with houses on both sides, lol). This invited a lot of small businesses and recreation into the area who wouldn’t go in before. Then the nearby Colima Community Center (92115) was invested in by the Joan Kroc trust, giving it an ice skating rink and other upgrades. This, coupled with SDUSD bringing magnet programs to Crawford High brought residents with more money into the Rolando area as well.

Having volunteered for the “Save Our Canyons” committee in the 80’s, I saw all this on the drawing board (except the ice rink as the Kroc bequest was unknown at that time) years before it manifested.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio]. . . I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

protorio, I think what brought more residents with money into 92105, more specifically to “City Heights” in recent years was CalTrans and the City’s ambitious collaborative “Cut & Cover” project over I-15, which used to be busy “40th St” (yes, with houses on both sides, lol). This invited a lot of small businesses and recreation into the area who wouldn’t go in before. Then the nearby Colima Community Center (92115) was invested in by the Joan Kroc trust, giving it an ice skating rink and other upgrades. This, coupled with SDUSD bringing magnet programs to Crawford High brought residents with more money into the Rolando area as well.

Having volunteered for the “Save Our Canyons” committee in the 80’s, I saw all this on the drawing board (except the ice rink as the Kroc bequest was unknown at that time) years before it manifested.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio]. . . I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

protorio, I think what brought more residents with money into 92105, more specifically to “City Heights” in recent years was CalTrans and the City’s ambitious collaborative “Cut & Cover” project over I-15, which used to be busy “40th St” (yes, with houses on both sides, lol). This invited a lot of small businesses and recreation into the area who wouldn’t go in before. Then the nearby Colima Community Center (92115) was invested in by the Joan Kroc trust, giving it an ice skating rink and other upgrades. This, coupled with SDUSD bringing magnet programs to Crawford High brought residents with more money into the Rolando area as well.

Having volunteered for the “Save Our Canyons” committee in the 80’s, I saw all this on the drawing board (except the ice rink as the Kroc bequest was unknown at that time) years before it manifested.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio]. . . I was impressed by the number of white people who moved their families into SFRs in City Heights during the last 10 years, investing in the neighborhood and committing to diversity. If the boom/burst didn’t happen, and if the bottom didn’t fall out from under a lot of those folks, change might have happened more quickly. I still think it has a lot of potential.[/quote]

protorio, I think what brought more residents with money into 92105, more specifically to “City Heights” in recent years was CalTrans and the City’s ambitious collaborative “Cut & Cover” project over I-15, which used to be busy “40th St” (yes, with houses on both sides, lol). This invited a lot of small businesses and recreation into the area who wouldn’t go in before. Then the nearby Colima Community Center (92115) was invested in by the Joan Kroc trust, giving it an ice skating rink and other upgrades. This, coupled with SDUSD bringing magnet programs to Crawford High brought residents with more money into the Rolando area as well.

Having volunteered for the “Save Our Canyons” committee in the 80’s, I saw all this on the drawing board (except the ice rink as the Kroc bequest was unknown at that time) years before it manifested.

[NotCranky]

I agree that protorio’s post is excellent. The improvements, both in property value and quality life style options, are sticking to some degree in Normal Heights and North and South Park, especially for detached homes.

Some people defend places like Carmel Valley as diverse but they really don’t pass as that compared to other places in San Diego. We have more diversity in the “redneck” east county by many standards. I agree that it is wholesome for kids to see it and live with it, with proper guidance around the pitfalls. How do you guide them around one homogeneous, but as imperfect as any, “value” system? I have known too many adults who have had that “appearances and success” standard shoved down their throats as children, who were also hurt by it badly.

[NotCranky]

I agree that protorio’s post is excellent. The improvements, both in property value and quality life style options, are sticking to some degree in Normal Heights and North and South Park, especially for detached homes.

Some people defend places like Carmel Valley as diverse but they really don’t pass as that compared to other places in San Diego. We have more diversity in the “redneck” east county by many standards. I agree that it is wholesome for kids to see it and live with it, with proper guidance around the pitfalls. How do you guide them around one homogeneous, but as imperfect as any, “value” system? I have known too many adults who have had that “appearances and success” standard shoved down their throats as children, who were also hurt by it badly.

[NotCranky]

I agree that protorio’s post is excellent. The improvements, both in property value and quality life style options, are sticking to some degree in Normal Heights and North and South Park, especially for detached homes.

Some people defend places like Carmel Valley as diverse but they really don’t pass as that compared to other places in San Diego. We have more diversity in the “redneck” east county by many standards. I agree that it is wholesome for kids to see it and live with it, with proper guidance around the pitfalls. How do you guide them around one homogeneous, but as imperfect as any, “value” system? I have known too many adults who have had that “appearances and success” standard shoved down their throats as children, who were also hurt by it badly.

[NotCranky]

I agree that protorio’s post is excellent. The improvements, both in property value and quality life style options, are sticking to some degree in Normal Heights and North and South Park, especially for detached homes.

Some people defend places like Carmel Valley as diverse but they really don’t pass as that compared to other places in San Diego. We have more diversity in the “redneck” east county by many standards. I agree that it is wholesome for kids to see it and live with it, with proper guidance around the pitfalls. How do you guide them around one homogeneous, but as imperfect as any, “value” system? I have known too many adults who have had that “appearances and success” standard shoved down their throats as children, who were also hurt by it badly.

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