Are federal workers overpaid? Avg 123k?? It’s insane!

[jimmyle]

$2 bil or $3 bil from Obama won’t close the $20 bil gap. There will be massive layoffs/salary decrease/pension reform. I am fully supportive of the Republican lawmakers in Sacramento digging in their heels on “no tax increase”.

[quote=jficquette][quote=jimmyle] Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

CA’s game plan is to get bailed out by DC. They have no other plans to solve the problem.[/quote]

[CA renter]

[quote=jimmyle]Are you sure they are hiring? Oceanside is trying layoff police officers. Anyone can put up an ad.
You can grab an ex military guy on the street an turn him in a police man in no time.
The point is that the govt is over paying and they are running out of money. I bet you with better management you can reduce the cost by 30 percent. If you pay 70k and 100k with benefits, I bet you can find a bunch of decent candidates.

The shortage of teachers, firefighters, and police is a myth that the public employee unions created.

Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

Without a doubt, you can find plenty of people who will line up for a $70K/$100K (inclusive) job right now. The question is, will they stay if the economy picks back up? That’s the problem with these types of jobs. The hiring and training process is so expensive, they cannot afford to have a high turnover rate.

These public safety jobs need **experienced and well-qualified (physically, mentally, and emotionally — not as easy as one might think)** individuals who will stay on through the ups and downs of the economy, and who won’t be poached by other departments after the department has spent a significant amount of time and money in hiring and training the candidate.

The shortage of firefighters and cops is NOT a myth. I know the people who were trying to find recruits during the boom times. I know the stories about candidates who were playing multiple departments against each other. Do you?

I’d love to know where you got your information about it being a “myth.”

[CA renter]

[quote=jimmyle]Are you sure they are hiring? Oceanside is trying layoff police officers. Anyone can put up an ad.
You can grab an ex military guy on the street an turn him in a police man in no time.
The point is that the govt is over paying and they are running out of money. I bet you with better management you can reduce the cost by 30 percent. If you pay 70k and 100k with benefits, I bet you can find a bunch of decent candidates.

The shortage of teachers, firefighters, and police is a myth that the public employee unions created.

Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

Without a doubt, you can find plenty of people who will line up for a $70K/$100K (inclusive) job right now. The question is, will they stay if the economy picks back up? That’s the problem with these types of jobs. The hiring and training process is so expensive, they cannot afford to have a high turnover rate.

These public safety jobs need **experienced and well-qualified (physically, mentally, and emotionally — not as easy as one might think)** individuals who will stay on through the ups and downs of the economy, and who won’t be poached by other departments after the department has spent a significant amount of time and money in hiring and training the candidate.

The shortage of firefighters and cops is NOT a myth. I know the people who were trying to find recruits during the boom times. I know the stories about candidates who were playing multiple departments against each other. Do you?

I’d love to know where you got your information about it being a “myth.”

[CA renter]

[quote=jimmyle]Are you sure they are hiring? Oceanside is trying layoff police officers. Anyone can put up an ad.
You can grab an ex military guy on the street an turn him in a police man in no time.
The point is that the govt is over paying and they are running out of money. I bet you with better management you can reduce the cost by 30 percent. If you pay 70k and 100k with benefits, I bet you can find a bunch of decent candidates.

The shortage of teachers, firefighters, and police is a myth that the public employee unions created.

Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

Without a doubt, you can find plenty of people who will line up for a $70K/$100K (inclusive) job right now. The question is, will they stay if the economy picks back up? That’s the problem with these types of jobs. The hiring and training process is so expensive, they cannot afford to have a high turnover rate.

These public safety jobs need **experienced and well-qualified (physically, mentally, and emotionally — not as easy as one might think)** individuals who will stay on through the ups and downs of the economy, and who won’t be poached by other departments after the department has spent a significant amount of time and money in hiring and training the candidate.

The shortage of firefighters and cops is NOT a myth. I know the people who were trying to find recruits during the boom times. I know the stories about candidates who were playing multiple departments against each other. Do you?

I’d love to know where you got your information about it being a “myth.”

[CA renter]

[quote=jimmyle]Are you sure they are hiring? Oceanside is trying layoff police officers. Anyone can put up an ad.
You can grab an ex military guy on the street an turn him in a police man in no time.
The point is that the govt is over paying and they are running out of money. I bet you with better management you can reduce the cost by 30 percent. If you pay 70k and 100k with benefits, I bet you can find a bunch of decent candidates.

The shortage of teachers, firefighters, and police is a myth that the public employee unions created.

Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

Without a doubt, you can find plenty of people who will line up for a $70K/$100K (inclusive) job right now. The question is, will they stay if the economy picks back up? That’s the problem with these types of jobs. The hiring and training process is so expensive, they cannot afford to have a high turnover rate.

These public safety jobs need **experienced and well-qualified (physically, mentally, and emotionally — not as easy as one might think)** individuals who will stay on through the ups and downs of the economy, and who won’t be poached by other departments after the department has spent a significant amount of time and money in hiring and training the candidate.

The shortage of firefighters and cops is NOT a myth. I know the people who were trying to find recruits during the boom times. I know the stories about candidates who were playing multiple departments against each other. Do you?

I’d love to know where you got your information about it being a “myth.”

[CA renter]

[quote=jimmyle]Are you sure they are hiring? Oceanside is trying layoff police officers. Anyone can put up an ad.
You can grab an ex military guy on the street an turn him in a police man in no time.
The point is that the govt is over paying and they are running out of money. I bet you with better management you can reduce the cost by 30 percent. If you pay 70k and 100k with benefits, I bet you can find a bunch of decent candidates.

The shortage of teachers, firefighters, and police is a myth that the public employee unions created.

Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

Without a doubt, you can find plenty of people who will line up for a $70K/$100K (inclusive) job right now. The question is, will they stay if the economy picks back up? That’s the problem with these types of jobs. The hiring and training process is so expensive, they cannot afford to have a high turnover rate.

These public safety jobs need **experienced and well-qualified (physically, mentally, and emotionally — not as easy as one might think)** individuals who will stay on through the ups and downs of the economy, and who won’t be poached by other departments after the department has spent a significant amount of time and money in hiring and training the candidate.

The shortage of firefighters and cops is NOT a myth. I know the people who were trying to find recruits during the boom times. I know the stories about candidates who were playing multiple departments against each other. Do you?

I’d love to know where you got your information about it being a “myth.”

[CA renter]

[quote=jficquette][quote=jimmyle] Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

CA’s game plan is to get bailed out by DC. They have no other plans to solve the problem.[/quote]

Not true. A lot is being done behind the scenes WRT pensions and pay. You will see the pension burden shift from the employers to the employees. Once the employees are solely responsible for the pension contributions, they will likely change the formula and increase the contributions dramatically. IMHO, this will result in ~20-30% pay cuts for public employees.

Again, I have no official or unofficial information about this, but have been watching the trends, and can see where it’s going.

Let’s see if they’re willing to tackle the immigration issue. In doing so, they can probably shave another ~25%+ from the state’s budget.

There are plenty of solutions, but we’ll have to see if anyone is willing to carry them out. Everything is a political minefield.

[CA renter]

[quote=jficquette][quote=jimmyle] Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

CA’s game plan is to get bailed out by DC. They have no other plans to solve the problem.[/quote]

Not true. A lot is being done behind the scenes WRT pensions and pay. You will see the pension burden shift from the employers to the employees. Once the employees are solely responsible for the pension contributions, they will likely change the formula and increase the contributions dramatically. IMHO, this will result in ~20-30% pay cuts for public employees.

Again, I have no official or unofficial information about this, but have been watching the trends, and can see where it’s going.

Let’s see if they’re willing to tackle the immigration issue. In doing so, they can probably shave another ~25%+ from the state’s budget.

There are plenty of solutions, but we’ll have to see if anyone is willing to carry them out. Everything is a political minefield.

[CA renter]

[quote=jficquette][quote=jimmyle] Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

CA’s game plan is to get bailed out by DC. They have no other plans to solve the problem.[/quote]

Not true. A lot is being done behind the scenes WRT pensions and pay. You will see the pension burden shift from the employers to the employees. Once the employees are solely responsible for the pension contributions, they will likely change the formula and increase the contributions dramatically. IMHO, this will result in ~20-30% pay cuts for public employees.

Again, I have no official or unofficial information about this, but have been watching the trends, and can see where it’s going.

Let’s see if they’re willing to tackle the immigration issue. In doing so, they can probably shave another ~25%+ from the state’s budget.

There are plenty of solutions, but we’ll have to see if anyone is willing to carry them out. Everything is a political minefield.

[CA renter]

[quote=jficquette][quote=jimmyle] Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

CA’s game plan is to get bailed out by DC. They have no other plans to solve the problem.[/quote]

Not true. A lot is being done behind the scenes WRT pensions and pay. You will see the pension burden shift from the employers to the employees. Once the employees are solely responsible for the pension contributions, they will likely change the formula and increase the contributions dramatically. IMHO, this will result in ~20-30% pay cuts for public employees.

Again, I have no official or unofficial information about this, but have been watching the trends, and can see where it’s going.

Let’s see if they’re willing to tackle the immigration issue. In doing so, they can probably shave another ~25%+ from the state’s budget.

There are plenty of solutions, but we’ll have to see if anyone is willing to carry them out. Everything is a political minefield.

[CA renter]

[quote=jficquette][quote=jimmyle] Hey, I am glad CA is running out of money. They will have to fix the prob now. Get ready to receive your IOUs.[/quote]

CA’s game plan is to get bailed out by DC. They have no other plans to solve the problem.[/quote]

Not true. A lot is being done behind the scenes WRT pensions and pay. You will see the pension burden shift from the employers to the employees. Once the employees are solely responsible for the pension contributions, they will likely change the formula and increase the contributions dramatically. IMHO, this will result in ~20-30% pay cuts for public employees.

Again, I have no official or unofficial information about this, but have been watching the trends, and can see where it’s going.

Let’s see if they’re willing to tackle the immigration issue. In doing so, they can probably shave another ~25%+ from the state’s budget.

There are plenty of solutions, but we’ll have to see if anyone is willing to carry them out. Everything is a political minefield.

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