Anyone know a good divorce lawyer?

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I never said men are needed for sperm, in fact the contrary nowadays. Dave made it sound like we need men for their sperm. The real purpose of men and women on the planet is to procreate. Why would you be given that ability if it were not meant to continue life? But if men want to “withhold” their sperm, women are not stuck w/not having children. There are options out there. That makes the “need” for a man gone.

I will concede that raising a child single is extremely difficult and not a conscious decision I would make. I would say the greatest deterrent is financial. If you have money, you can get all the help necessary.

I also never said that marriage doesn’t matter. I think that when two people love each other and marry it is a beautiful thing and they are blessed.

It is great when couples can overcome problems. It does teach perserverence. That happy ending doesn’t always happen when someone is pigheadded (no offense to piggs at all) Some chronic alcholics or people who are generally unhappy w/their lives who abuse others will never see the light or get help for themselves.

I would not condemn women to continue to stay in that kind of relationship and subject themselves and children to that kind of danger physically, emotionally or psychologically. It is traumatic and unhealthy. To stay and enables the person who is sick to continue as is. No motivation to get help.

I did not mean in anyway to diminish men by any of my comments. Wanting and loving men for all their good is worth it.

Edit – I do not think the government should subsidize families. I have said I don’t have children of my own, circumstances and decisions and “fate” in my life, but at the same time, I would not want my tax dollars supporting women who chose to have children – – any more than I would want my tax dollars paying for someone who made the decision to buy a house they couldn’t afford. Cold-hearted as it may sound. I made a difficult decision. I’m not going to be penalized for it and reward someone else, whether it be house or kids. If a woman makes a decision to buy a house on her own or have a kid on her own, she best well be sure she can afford it.

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Submitted by Navydoc on April 12, 2008 – 7:33am.

And sorry Marion, I don’t know a good divorce lawyer,I hope to never need one.

4 pages and growing, now why are my threads so popular? 😉

You know, I think it’s because I make y’all think. 🙂 Navydoc, I’m glad to hear the above, really. I hope you and the wifey are enjoying the new baby.

JP, you are right: women do have options today. Having said that, I wouldn’t be able to do the sperm bank thing though it is a viable option for women. If I didn’t want to be in a relationship and just wanted a child, I’d find a suitable man and get pregnant the old-fashioned way. I hate to put it this way, but because of the way men are wired, it wouldn’t be hard IF you appeal to their senses-and I’m not talking about tricking anyone. No need.

I wouldn’t want to raise a child that didn’t know his/her father in some capacity. How do you tell a child he/she came from a sperm bank. Not knocking women who do it, I just couldn’t do it.

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Submitted by Navydoc on April 12, 2008 – 7:33am.

And sorry Marion, I don’t know a good divorce lawyer,I hope to never need one.

4 pages and growing, now why are my threads so popular? 😉

You know, I think it’s because I make y’all think. 🙂 Navydoc, I’m glad to hear the above, really. I hope you and the wifey are enjoying the new baby.

JP, you are right: women do have options today. Having said that, I wouldn’t be able to do the sperm bank thing though it is a viable option for women. If I didn’t want to be in a relationship and just wanted a child, I’d find a suitable man and get pregnant the old-fashioned way. I hate to put it this way, but because of the way men are wired, it wouldn’t be hard IF you appeal to their senses-and I’m not talking about tricking anyone. No need.

I wouldn’t want to raise a child that didn’t know his/her father in some capacity. How do you tell a child he/she came from a sperm bank. Not knocking women who do it, I just couldn’t do it.

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Submitted by Navydoc on April 12, 2008 – 7:33am.

And sorry Marion, I don’t know a good divorce lawyer,I hope to never need one.

4 pages and growing, now why are my threads so popular? 😉

You know, I think it’s because I make y’all think. 🙂 Navydoc, I’m glad to hear the above, really. I hope you and the wifey are enjoying the new baby.

JP, you are right: women do have options today. Having said that, I wouldn’t be able to do the sperm bank thing though it is a viable option for women. If I didn’t want to be in a relationship and just wanted a child, I’d find a suitable man and get pregnant the old-fashioned way. I hate to put it this way, but because of the way men are wired, it wouldn’t be hard IF you appeal to their senses-and I’m not talking about tricking anyone. No need.

I wouldn’t want to raise a child that didn’t know his/her father in some capacity. How do you tell a child he/she came from a sperm bank. Not knocking women who do it, I just couldn’t do it.

[Anonymous]

Submitted by Navydoc on April 12, 2008 – 7:33am.

And sorry Marion, I don’t know a good divorce lawyer,I hope to never need one.

4 pages and growing, now why are my threads so popular? 😉

You know, I think it’s because I make y’all think. 🙂 Navydoc, I’m glad to hear the above, really. I hope you and the wifey are enjoying the new baby.

JP, you are right: women do have options today. Having said that, I wouldn’t be able to do the sperm bank thing though it is a viable option for women. If I didn’t want to be in a relationship and just wanted a child, I’d find a suitable man and get pregnant the old-fashioned way. I hate to put it this way, but because of the way men are wired, it wouldn’t be hard IF you appeal to their senses-and I’m not talking about tricking anyone. No need.

I wouldn’t want to raise a child that didn’t know his/her father in some capacity. How do you tell a child he/she came from a sperm bank. Not knocking women who do it, I just couldn’t do it.

[Anonymous]

Submitted by Navydoc on April 12, 2008 – 7:33am.

And sorry Marion, I don’t know a good divorce lawyer,I hope to never need one.

4 pages and growing, now why are my threads so popular? 😉

You know, I think it’s because I make y’all think. 🙂 Navydoc, I’m glad to hear the above, really. I hope you and the wifey are enjoying the new baby.

JP, you are right: women do have options today. Having said that, I wouldn’t be able to do the sperm bank thing though it is a viable option for women. If I didn’t want to be in a relationship and just wanted a child, I’d find a suitable man and get pregnant the old-fashioned way. I hate to put it this way, but because of the way men are wired, it wouldn’t be hard IF you appeal to their senses-and I’m not talking about tricking anyone. No need.

I wouldn’t want to raise a child that didn’t know his/her father in some capacity. How do you tell a child he/she came from a sperm bank. Not knocking women who do it, I just couldn’t do it.

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JP: “Having said all that, I will say that the main reason women want men is to love them and be loved by them.”

I agree with the above to a great extent, because of the biological make-up of women we are wired to nurture, so I do believe that is the ideal situation. However, many women nowadays are freer in their choices and find nothing wrong in having men just for sex. Sometimes they are in a place in their life where they don’t desire a committed relationship, other times they want a sexual relationship with a man they wouldn’t consider being with long-term on their road to the man they do want to be with long-term.

[Anonymous]

JP: “Having said all that, I will say that the main reason women want men is to love them and be loved by them.”

I agree with the above to a great extent, because of the biological make-up of women we are wired to nurture, so I do believe that is the ideal situation. However, many women nowadays are freer in their choices and find nothing wrong in having men just for sex. Sometimes they are in a place in their life where they don’t desire a committed relationship, other times they want a sexual relationship with a man they wouldn’t consider being with long-term on their road to the man they do want to be with long-term.

[Anonymous]

JP: “Having said all that, I will say that the main reason women want men is to love them and be loved by them.”

I agree with the above to a great extent, because of the biological make-up of women we are wired to nurture, so I do believe that is the ideal situation. However, many women nowadays are freer in their choices and find nothing wrong in having men just for sex. Sometimes they are in a place in their life where they don’t desire a committed relationship, other times they want a sexual relationship with a man they wouldn’t consider being with long-term on their road to the man they do want to be with long-term.

[Anonymous]

JP: “Having said all that, I will say that the main reason women want men is to love them and be loved by them.”

I agree with the above to a great extent, because of the biological make-up of women we are wired to nurture, so I do believe that is the ideal situation. However, many women nowadays are freer in their choices and find nothing wrong in having men just for sex. Sometimes they are in a place in their life where they don’t desire a committed relationship, other times they want a sexual relationship with a man they wouldn’t consider being with long-term on their road to the man they do want to be with long-term.

[Anonymous]

JP: “Having said all that, I will say that the main reason women want men is to love them and be loved by them.”

I agree with the above to a great extent, because of the biological make-up of women we are wired to nurture, so I do believe that is the ideal situation. However, many women nowadays are freer in their choices and find nothing wrong in having men just for sex. Sometimes they are in a place in their life where they don’t desire a committed relationship, other times they want a sexual relationship with a man they wouldn’t consider being with long-term on their road to the man they do want to be with long-term.

[jpinpb]

Marion – I wouldn’t want to do a sperm bank either. However, for women who want children who have been unsuccessful in finding a man who they love who also want children, they have options.

I know a woman attorney who just adopted a little girl. Abadoned by father, mother a drug addict. That little girl has a new lease on life. How do you tell a child he/she came from a sperm bank. The more popular this becomes, it will have less of a stigma. Just as adopted children. Do not have the child think they were abandoned and had f/up conceivers. “You are adopted. I went out of my way to have you in my life to raise you and give you my love.”

Not what has also sadly happened and not said, “You were an accident and your mother and I are begrudgingly raising you out of obligation.”

Ideally, of course, always the perfect scenario is to have a couple in love, marry and having a family. That traditional concept is the route I’d want to go. But we are in a less than perfect world. I do not believe women should suffer not having children if that’s what they want, nor men should suffer the fate of having kids they don’t want.

Off to enjoy the day. Boy, this thread went off on a tangent. I think Dave contributed to that.

[jpinpb]

Marion – I wouldn’t want to do a sperm bank either. However, for women who want children who have been unsuccessful in finding a man who they love who also want children, they have options.

I know a woman attorney who just adopted a little girl. Abadoned by father, mother a drug addict. That little girl has a new lease on life. How do you tell a child he/she came from a sperm bank. The more popular this becomes, it will have less of a stigma. Just as adopted children. Do not have the child think they were abandoned and had f/up conceivers. “You are adopted. I went out of my way to have you in my life to raise you and give you my love.”

Not what has also sadly happened and not said, “You were an accident and your mother and I are begrudgingly raising you out of obligation.”

Ideally, of course, always the perfect scenario is to have a couple in love, marry and having a family. That traditional concept is the route I’d want to go. But we are in a less than perfect world. I do not believe women should suffer not having children if that’s what they want, nor men should suffer the fate of having kids they don’t want.

Off to enjoy the day. Boy, this thread went off on a tangent. I think Dave contributed to that.

[jpinpb]

Marion – I wouldn’t want to do a sperm bank either. However, for women who want children who have been unsuccessful in finding a man who they love who also want children, they have options.

I know a woman attorney who just adopted a little girl. Abadoned by father, mother a drug addict. That little girl has a new lease on life. How do you tell a child he/she came from a sperm bank. The more popular this becomes, it will have less of a stigma. Just as adopted children. Do not have the child think they were abandoned and had f/up conceivers. “You are adopted. I went out of my way to have you in my life to raise you and give you my love.”

Not what has also sadly happened and not said, “You were an accident and your mother and I are begrudgingly raising you out of obligation.”

Ideally, of course, always the perfect scenario is to have a couple in love, marry and having a family. That traditional concept is the route I’d want to go. But we are in a less than perfect world. I do not believe women should suffer not having children if that’s what they want, nor men should suffer the fate of having kids they don’t want.

Off to enjoy the day. Boy, this thread went off on a tangent. I think Dave contributed to that.

[jpinpb]

Marion – I wouldn’t want to do a sperm bank either. However, for women who want children who have been unsuccessful in finding a man who they love who also want children, they have options.

I know a woman attorney who just adopted a little girl. Abadoned by father, mother a drug addict. That little girl has a new lease on life. How do you tell a child he/she came from a sperm bank. The more popular this becomes, it will have less of a stigma. Just as adopted children. Do not have the child think they were abandoned and had f/up conceivers. “You are adopted. I went out of my way to have you in my life to raise you and give you my love.”

Not what has also sadly happened and not said, “You were an accident and your mother and I are begrudgingly raising you out of obligation.”

Ideally, of course, always the perfect scenario is to have a couple in love, marry and having a family. That traditional concept is the route I’d want to go. But we are in a less than perfect world. I do not believe women should suffer not having children if that’s what they want, nor men should suffer the fate of having kids they don’t want.

Off to enjoy the day. Boy, this thread went off on a tangent. I think Dave contributed to that.

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