Agricultural water rate?

[ucodegen]

and considering the enormous amount of energy needed to pump that water from either the Colorado river, or from the Delta and over the grapevine

Actually it goes through the grapevine. There is a long tunnel going through the mountains there.

http://www.hellolosangeles.com/Landmarks/Tunnel/269567/Aqueduct_Tunnel.cfm

I tried to find pictures of it before it was put into use. I found them once before. In addition, energy reclamation techniques such as siphoning (the water going downhill in the pipe is used to push/pull the water up the hill) and using the downfall to generate electricity are used. Even so, moving water around CA requires an incredible amount of energy.

http://www.spannertech.com/water/
http://wsoweb.ladwp.com/Aqueduct/historyoflaa/worldrecords.htm
http://www.ladwp.com/ladwp/cms/ladwp004409.jsp

[ucodegen]

Just for the fun of it, here is a picture of a very old redwood aqueduct that is still in use..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aqueduct_Tokatee_Hydro_Project.jpg

found when I was trying to get pictures of Aqueduct Tunnel

[ucodegen]

Just for the fun of it, here is a picture of a very old redwood aqueduct that is still in use..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aqueduct_Tokatee_Hydro_Project.jpg

found when I was trying to get pictures of Aqueduct Tunnel

[ucodegen]

Just for the fun of it, here is a picture of a very old redwood aqueduct that is still in use..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aqueduct_Tokatee_Hydro_Project.jpg

found when I was trying to get pictures of Aqueduct Tunnel

[ucodegen]

Just for the fun of it, here is a picture of a very old redwood aqueduct that is still in use..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aqueduct_Tokatee_Hydro_Project.jpg

found when I was trying to get pictures of Aqueduct Tunnel

[ucodegen]

Just for the fun of it, here is a picture of a very old redwood aqueduct that is still in use..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aqueduct_Tokatee_Hydro_Project.jpg

found when I was trying to get pictures of Aqueduct Tunnel

[DWCAP]

The water going through that area is raise more than 2000 feet before going through those tunnels. You can see some of it off to your right when heading North on I5 just past Castaic lake. I am always amazed at home much water they move around there.
You are right about them using alot of energy to move water around, the SWP is the largest user of energy in the state. (It also happens to generate alot of energy too)

I havent quite figured it all out for myself just yet, esmith, care to help me understand the slide just after the one you reference about 3000kwh for water to LA. It says 6900kwh for San Diego, but it calls it energy intensity, which I have not had time to wrap my head around. At first glance it looks like an acre foot of water to San Diego is something more like 6000kwh/ac foot.

[DWCAP]

The water going through that area is raise more than 2000 feet before going through those tunnels. You can see some of it off to your right when heading North on I5 just past Castaic lake. I am always amazed at home much water they move around there.
You are right about them using alot of energy to move water around, the SWP is the largest user of energy in the state. (It also happens to generate alot of energy too)

I havent quite figured it all out for myself just yet, esmith, care to help me understand the slide just after the one you reference about 3000kwh for water to LA. It says 6900kwh for San Diego, but it calls it energy intensity, which I have not had time to wrap my head around. At first glance it looks like an acre foot of water to San Diego is something more like 6000kwh/ac foot.

[DWCAP]

The water going through that area is raise more than 2000 feet before going through those tunnels. You can see some of it off to your right when heading North on I5 just past Castaic lake. I am always amazed at home much water they move around there.
You are right about them using alot of energy to move water around, the SWP is the largest user of energy in the state. (It also happens to generate alot of energy too)

I havent quite figured it all out for myself just yet, esmith, care to help me understand the slide just after the one you reference about 3000kwh for water to LA. It says 6900kwh for San Diego, but it calls it energy intensity, which I have not had time to wrap my head around. At first glance it looks like an acre foot of water to San Diego is something more like 6000kwh/ac foot.

[DWCAP]

The water going through that area is raise more than 2000 feet before going through those tunnels. You can see some of it off to your right when heading North on I5 just past Castaic lake. I am always amazed at home much water they move around there.
You are right about them using alot of energy to move water around, the SWP is the largest user of energy in the state. (It also happens to generate alot of energy too)

I havent quite figured it all out for myself just yet, esmith, care to help me understand the slide just after the one you reference about 3000kwh for water to LA. It says 6900kwh for San Diego, but it calls it energy intensity, which I have not had time to wrap my head around. At first glance it looks like an acre foot of water to San Diego is something more like 6000kwh/ac foot.

[DWCAP]

The water going through that area is raise more than 2000 feet before going through those tunnels. You can see some of it off to your right when heading North on I5 just past Castaic lake. I am always amazed at home much water they move around there.
You are right about them using alot of energy to move water around, the SWP is the largest user of energy in the state. (It also happens to generate alot of energy too)

I havent quite figured it all out for myself just yet, esmith, care to help me understand the slide just after the one you reference about 3000kwh for water to LA. It says 6900kwh for San Diego, but it calls it energy intensity, which I have not had time to wrap my head around. At first glance it looks like an acre foot of water to San Diego is something more like 6000kwh/ac foot.

[Eugene]

I havent quite figured it all out for myself just yet, esmith, care to help me understand the slide just after the one you reference about 3000kwh for water to LA. It says 6900kwh for San Diego, but it calls it energy intensity, which I have not had time to wrap my head around. At first glance it looks like an acre foot of water to San Diego is something more like 6000kwh/ac foot.

“Energy intensity” is all energy spent on that water before it’s consumed. It includes energy spent on heating water that goes into showers or dishwashers, for example. That slide basically says that it takes 2040 kwh to get an acre-foot of water to the customer, and then that customer will spend an average of 3900 kwh on that water to heat it, or do anything else he wants.

http://www.nrdc.org/water/conservation/edrain/edrain.pdf

page 33

[Eugene]

I havent quite figured it all out for myself just yet, esmith, care to help me understand the slide just after the one you reference about 3000kwh for water to LA. It says 6900kwh for San Diego, but it calls it energy intensity, which I have not had time to wrap my head around. At first glance it looks like an acre foot of water to San Diego is something more like 6000kwh/ac foot.

“Energy intensity” is all energy spent on that water before it’s consumed. It includes energy spent on heating water that goes into showers or dishwashers, for example. That slide basically says that it takes 2040 kwh to get an acre-foot of water to the customer, and then that customer will spend an average of 3900 kwh on that water to heat it, or do anything else he wants.

http://www.nrdc.org/water/conservation/edrain/edrain.pdf

page 33

[Eugene]

I havent quite figured it all out for myself just yet, esmith, care to help me understand the slide just after the one you reference about 3000kwh for water to LA. It says 6900kwh for San Diego, but it calls it energy intensity, which I have not had time to wrap my head around. At first glance it looks like an acre foot of water to San Diego is something more like 6000kwh/ac foot.

“Energy intensity” is all energy spent on that water before it’s consumed. It includes energy spent on heating water that goes into showers or dishwashers, for example. That slide basically says that it takes 2040 kwh to get an acre-foot of water to the customer, and then that customer will spend an average of 3900 kwh on that water to heat it, or do anything else he wants.

http://www.nrdc.org/water/conservation/edrain/edrain.pdf

page 33

[Eugene]

I havent quite figured it all out for myself just yet, esmith, care to help me understand the slide just after the one you reference about 3000kwh for water to LA. It says 6900kwh for San Diego, but it calls it energy intensity, which I have not had time to wrap my head around. At first glance it looks like an acre foot of water to San Diego is something more like 6000kwh/ac foot.

“Energy intensity” is all energy spent on that water before it’s consumed. It includes energy spent on heating water that goes into showers or dishwashers, for example. That slide basically says that it takes 2040 kwh to get an acre-foot of water to the customer, and then that customer will spend an average of 3900 kwh on that water to heat it, or do anything else he wants.

http://www.nrdc.org/water/conservation/edrain/edrain.pdf

page 33

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