60 mpg by 2025

[justme]

>>==Ren
>> I’m aware that a 500hp car driven at the limit will consume more than a 60hp Civic.

Not only that, but it will consume 5x the oil when driven the way
a typical civic is driven, and MUCH MORE if driven if driven by a speed and acceleration enthusiast.

It might interest people to know that Nascar and Formula 1 cars get about 4-6 mpg (FOUR TO SIX ) and 3mpg in a race. And they are not even doing any useful work, they are just going round in circles

http://www.youthyack.com/content/stories/editorial/1049140418.shtml

>>Carbon dioxide and water (also an exhaust emission) aren’t dangerous to people or the environment.

CO2 is dangerous without being toxic. It is dangerous for two reasons:

1. climate change

2. CO2 emissions is directly proportional to oil consumption. High oil consumption causes future energy deficits.

There are people who deny both 1 and 2. Category 1 are know as climate-change deniers. I guess we’ll have to come up with a name for category 2. Perhaps 1st-law-of-thermodynamics deniers? Or Immaculate oil conceptionists?

[Ren]

[quote=justme]
2. CO2 emissions is directly proportional to oil consumption. High oil consumption causes future energy deficits.[/quote]

Again, energy will not be an issue in 30 years, unless you assume that for some reason all technological progress stops today. In fact, I’m guessing that we never actually run out of natural oil. The remainder will stay underground while synthetics/alternative energy sources are used exclusively. Unless we blow ourselves up first, that day is inevitable.

[quote]There are people who deny both 1 and 2. Category 1 are know as climate-change deniers. I guess we’ll have to come up with a name for category 2. Perhaps 1st-law-of-thermodynamics deniers? Or Immaculate oil conceptionists?[/quote]

I think you need another category. Those who are well aware of the process of climate change and the causes, and who are all for limiting emissions, but who don’t feel guilty for exhaling or accelerating fast. Vehicles produce a small fraction of the total carbon dioxide we generate, and our progress in cleaner emissions and alternative energy will only continue. You worry too much, and your efforts would probably be better spent fighting the other CO2 sources which haven’t been as strictly regulated as vehicles have, like industrial processes and deforestation.

[Ren]

[quote=justme]
2. CO2 emissions is directly proportional to oil consumption. High oil consumption causes future energy deficits.[/quote]

Again, energy will not be an issue in 30 years, unless you assume that for some reason all technological progress stops today. In fact, I’m guessing that we never actually run out of natural oil. The remainder will stay underground while synthetics/alternative energy sources are used exclusively. Unless we blow ourselves up first, that day is inevitable.

[quote]There are people who deny both 1 and 2. Category 1 are know as climate-change deniers. I guess we’ll have to come up with a name for category 2. Perhaps 1st-law-of-thermodynamics deniers? Or Immaculate oil conceptionists?[/quote]

I think you need another category. Those who are well aware of the process of climate change and the causes, and who are all for limiting emissions, but who don’t feel guilty for exhaling or accelerating fast. Vehicles produce a small fraction of the total carbon dioxide we generate, and our progress in cleaner emissions and alternative energy will only continue. You worry too much, and your efforts would probably be better spent fighting the other CO2 sources which haven’t been as strictly regulated as vehicles have, like industrial processes and deforestation.

[Ren]

[quote=justme]
2. CO2 emissions is directly proportional to oil consumption. High oil consumption causes future energy deficits.[/quote]

Again, energy will not be an issue in 30 years, unless you assume that for some reason all technological progress stops today. In fact, I’m guessing that we never actually run out of natural oil. The remainder will stay underground while synthetics/alternative energy sources are used exclusively. Unless we blow ourselves up first, that day is inevitable.

[quote]There are people who deny both 1 and 2. Category 1 are know as climate-change deniers. I guess we’ll have to come up with a name for category 2. Perhaps 1st-law-of-thermodynamics deniers? Or Immaculate oil conceptionists?[/quote]

I think you need another category. Those who are well aware of the process of climate change and the causes, and who are all for limiting emissions, but who don’t feel guilty for exhaling or accelerating fast. Vehicles produce a small fraction of the total carbon dioxide we generate, and our progress in cleaner emissions and alternative energy will only continue. You worry too much, and your efforts would probably be better spent fighting the other CO2 sources which haven’t been as strictly regulated as vehicles have, like industrial processes and deforestation.

[Ren]

[quote=justme]
2. CO2 emissions is directly proportional to oil consumption. High oil consumption causes future energy deficits.[/quote]

Again, energy will not be an issue in 30 years, unless you assume that for some reason all technological progress stops today. In fact, I’m guessing that we never actually run out of natural oil. The remainder will stay underground while synthetics/alternative energy sources are used exclusively. Unless we blow ourselves up first, that day is inevitable.

[quote]There are people who deny both 1 and 2. Category 1 are know as climate-change deniers. I guess we’ll have to come up with a name for category 2. Perhaps 1st-law-of-thermodynamics deniers? Or Immaculate oil conceptionists?[/quote]

I think you need another category. Those who are well aware of the process of climate change and the causes, and who are all for limiting emissions, but who don’t feel guilty for exhaling or accelerating fast. Vehicles produce a small fraction of the total carbon dioxide we generate, and our progress in cleaner emissions and alternative energy will only continue. You worry too much, and your efforts would probably be better spent fighting the other CO2 sources which haven’t been as strictly regulated as vehicles have, like industrial processes and deforestation.

[Ren]

[quote=justme]
2. CO2 emissions is directly proportional to oil consumption. High oil consumption causes future energy deficits.[/quote]

Again, energy will not be an issue in 30 years, unless you assume that for some reason all technological progress stops today. In fact, I’m guessing that we never actually run out of natural oil. The remainder will stay underground while synthetics/alternative energy sources are used exclusively. Unless we blow ourselves up first, that day is inevitable.

[quote]There are people who deny both 1 and 2. Category 1 are know as climate-change deniers. I guess we’ll have to come up with a name for category 2. Perhaps 1st-law-of-thermodynamics deniers? Or Immaculate oil conceptionists?[/quote]

I think you need another category. Those who are well aware of the process of climate change and the causes, and who are all for limiting emissions, but who don’t feel guilty for exhaling or accelerating fast. Vehicles produce a small fraction of the total carbon dioxide we generate, and our progress in cleaner emissions and alternative energy will only continue. You worry too much, and your efforts would probably be better spent fighting the other CO2 sources which haven’t been as strictly regulated as vehicles have, like industrial processes and deforestation.

[Coronita]

I have to ask. For all the tree humpers telling everyone else to drive 60+mpg autos

1)What do you drive? Do you drive a prius? If not, why not?

2)What do you do for a living. Do you work as a “green” enginerd? If not, why not. I mean it’s nice to all talk theory and “ideas”. Ideas are a dime a dozen. What are you personally doing to help achieve this goal?

3)How often do you get on a plane?

4)How many electronic devices do you have, and of them, how many of them do you leave the power plug with the transformer plugged into the wall,even when it’s not charging/powering anything.

5)How many TV’s do you own (plasma or LCD)? How much do you use them?

6)How much do you print. And when you print, do you bother to reuse the backside of paper or do you just use reams of new paper, even for stuff that you know you’ll throw away a few hours later?

Time to put your money and actions where your mouth is. I kinda just want to measure folks up on the B.S./hypocrisy meter.

[Coronita]

I have to ask. For all the tree humpers telling everyone else to drive 60+mpg autos

1)What do you drive? Do you drive a prius? If not, why not?

2)What do you do for a living. Do you work as a “green” enginerd? If not, why not. I mean it’s nice to all talk theory and “ideas”. Ideas are a dime a dozen. What are you personally doing to help achieve this goal?

3)How often do you get on a plane?

4)How many electronic devices do you have, and of them, how many of them do you leave the power plug with the transformer plugged into the wall,even when it’s not charging/powering anything.

5)How many TV’s do you own (plasma or LCD)? How much do you use them?

6)How much do you print. And when you print, do you bother to reuse the backside of paper or do you just use reams of new paper, even for stuff that you know you’ll throw away a few hours later?

Time to put your money and actions where your mouth is. I kinda just want to measure folks up on the B.S./hypocrisy meter.

[Coronita]

I have to ask. For all the tree humpers telling everyone else to drive 60+mpg autos

1)What do you drive? Do you drive a prius? If not, why not?

2)What do you do for a living. Do you work as a “green” enginerd? If not, why not. I mean it’s nice to all talk theory and “ideas”. Ideas are a dime a dozen. What are you personally doing to help achieve this goal?

3)How often do you get on a plane?

4)How many electronic devices do you have, and of them, how many of them do you leave the power plug with the transformer plugged into the wall,even when it’s not charging/powering anything.

5)How many TV’s do you own (plasma or LCD)? How much do you use them?

6)How much do you print. And when you print, do you bother to reuse the backside of paper or do you just use reams of new paper, even for stuff that you know you’ll throw away a few hours later?

Time to put your money and actions where your mouth is. I kinda just want to measure folks up on the B.S./hypocrisy meter.

[Coronita]

I have to ask. For all the tree humpers telling everyone else to drive 60+mpg autos

1)What do you drive? Do you drive a prius? If not, why not?

2)What do you do for a living. Do you work as a “green” enginerd? If not, why not. I mean it’s nice to all talk theory and “ideas”. Ideas are a dime a dozen. What are you personally doing to help achieve this goal?

3)How often do you get on a plane?

4)How many electronic devices do you have, and of them, how many of them do you leave the power plug with the transformer plugged into the wall,even when it’s not charging/powering anything.

5)How many TV’s do you own (plasma or LCD)? How much do you use them?

6)How much do you print. And when you print, do you bother to reuse the backside of paper or do you just use reams of new paper, even for stuff that you know you’ll throw away a few hours later?

Time to put your money and actions where your mouth is. I kinda just want to measure folks up on the B.S./hypocrisy meter.

[Coronita]

I have to ask. For all the tree humpers telling everyone else to drive 60+mpg autos

1)What do you drive? Do you drive a prius? If not, why not?

2)What do you do for a living. Do you work as a “green” enginerd? If not, why not. I mean it’s nice to all talk theory and “ideas”. Ideas are a dime a dozen. What are you personally doing to help achieve this goal?

3)How often do you get on a plane?

4)How many electronic devices do you have, and of them, how many of them do you leave the power plug with the transformer plugged into the wall,even when it’s not charging/powering anything.

5)How many TV’s do you own (plasma or LCD)? How much do you use them?

6)How much do you print. And when you print, do you bother to reuse the backside of paper or do you just use reams of new paper, even for stuff that you know you’ll throw away a few hours later?

Time to put your money and actions where your mouth is. I kinda just want to measure folks up on the B.S./hypocrisy meter.

[justme]

Ren,

>>Again, energy will not be an issue in 30 years, unless you assume that for some reason all technological progress stops today. In fact, I’m guessing that we never actually run out of natural oil. The remainder will stay underground while synthetics/alternative energy sources are used exclusively.

I suggest you save this post and show it to your grandchildren in 40 years.

Energy isn’t just a question of technological progress. Solar energy is the source of all usable energy on earth with the exception of nuclear energy.

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas, Biofuel, Wind, Hydro, Food, Wood, you name it EVERYTHING comes from solar energy. There is a limit to how much of the incoming solar energy we can collect and convert, both practically and theoretically (=fundamentally). This is not a problem that we can “invent” our way out of. It is a fundamental limitation.

[justme]

Ren,

>>Again, energy will not be an issue in 30 years, unless you assume that for some reason all technological progress stops today. In fact, I’m guessing that we never actually run out of natural oil. The remainder will stay underground while synthetics/alternative energy sources are used exclusively.

I suggest you save this post and show it to your grandchildren in 40 years.

Energy isn’t just a question of technological progress. Solar energy is the source of all usable energy on earth with the exception of nuclear energy.

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas, Biofuel, Wind, Hydro, Food, Wood, you name it EVERYTHING comes from solar energy. There is a limit to how much of the incoming solar energy we can collect and convert, both practically and theoretically (=fundamentally). This is not a problem that we can “invent” our way out of. It is a fundamental limitation.

[justme]

Ren,

>>Again, energy will not be an issue in 30 years, unless you assume that for some reason all technological progress stops today. In fact, I’m guessing that we never actually run out of natural oil. The remainder will stay underground while synthetics/alternative energy sources are used exclusively.

I suggest you save this post and show it to your grandchildren in 40 years.

Energy isn’t just a question of technological progress. Solar energy is the source of all usable energy on earth with the exception of nuclear energy.

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas, Biofuel, Wind, Hydro, Food, Wood, you name it EVERYTHING comes from solar energy. There is a limit to how much of the incoming solar energy we can collect and convert, both practically and theoretically (=fundamentally). This is not a problem that we can “invent” our way out of. It is a fundamental limitation.

[justme]

Ren,

>>Again, energy will not be an issue in 30 years, unless you assume that for some reason all technological progress stops today. In fact, I’m guessing that we never actually run out of natural oil. The remainder will stay underground while synthetics/alternative energy sources are used exclusively.

I suggest you save this post and show it to your grandchildren in 40 years.

Energy isn’t just a question of technological progress. Solar energy is the source of all usable energy on earth with the exception of nuclear energy.

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas, Biofuel, Wind, Hydro, Food, Wood, you name it EVERYTHING comes from solar energy. There is a limit to how much of the incoming solar energy we can collect and convert, both practically and theoretically (=fundamentally). This is not a problem that we can “invent” our way out of. It is a fundamental limitation.

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