60 mpg by 2025

[Coronita]

[quote=afx114][quote=flu]Weight gain wasn’t just because of safety, but a good part of it has to do with it too.[/quote]

Yep. Another big reason for vehicle weight gain is the 6,000lb threshold for a significant tax write-off, as vehicles over 6,000 pounds are not subject to the annual depreciation caps. This is why you’ll find many luxury cars weighing just over 6k. I also wonder how much this contributed to the SUV craze of the last decade.[/quote]

Well, I’m not sure if car manufacturers intentionally put weight into the car for this purpose, but it did affect a lot of purchases…This loophole though only applies to trucks/suvs, and it was closed down for suv’s… Not true for passenger cars.. The oophole that considers truck/suv’s as “machinery/equipment”, and the loophole use to allow one to write off $100k in depreciation. But SUV’s were later capped to $25k…(during Pres Bush administration). So currently, the ridiculous limits only apply to trucks/vans, not SUVs (and never passenger cars).

http://www.cookco.us/truck_suv_tax_write_off.htm

“Depreciation deductions for most cars and trucks are limited by the “luxury car/passenger vehicle” limitations imposed by the IRS under Code Section 280(f). However, certain vans and trucks are not subject to this restricted write-off. Vehicles with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) greater than 6,000 lbs. avoid these caps or limits and may be treated like 5 Year machinery and equipment”.

If your truck or van exceeds 6,000 lbs in gross vehicle weight rating, the full depreciation deduction is allowed. You can even use the Section 179 expensing election and take up to $100,000 in the first year — plus the regular depreciation deduction on the remaining balance.

President Bush signed a law on October 22, 2004 that closed “the SUV loophole”. Now there is a $25,000 limit instead of the $100,000 limit on Sec. 179 write-off for Sport Utility Vehicles (SUV’s).

[Coronita]

OT: Maybe this is what they meant by “Greeeeeeeen” cars?

Busted!

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/chrysler-auto-workers-busted_20100923_dk

“Suspended with out pay? Heh, do we do the PC thing now and “suspend” only?

Jeep Grand Cherokee anyone? 🙂

[Coronita]

OT: Maybe this is what they meant by “Greeeeeeeen” cars?

Busted!

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/chrysler-auto-workers-busted_20100923_dk

“Suspended with out pay? Heh, do we do the PC thing now and “suspend” only?

Jeep Grand Cherokee anyone? 🙂

[Coronita]

OT: Maybe this is what they meant by “Greeeeeeeen” cars?

Busted!

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/chrysler-auto-workers-busted_20100923_dk

“Suspended with out pay? Heh, do we do the PC thing now and “suspend” only?

Jeep Grand Cherokee anyone? 🙂

[Coronita]

OT: Maybe this is what they meant by “Greeeeeeeen” cars?

Busted!

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/chrysler-auto-workers-busted_20100923_dk

“Suspended with out pay? Heh, do we do the PC thing now and “suspend” only?

Jeep Grand Cherokee anyone? 🙂

[Coronita]

OT: Maybe this is what they meant by “Greeeeeeeen” cars?

Busted!

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/chrysler-auto-workers-busted_20100923_dk

“Suspended with out pay? Heh, do we do the PC thing now and “suspend” only?

Jeep Grand Cherokee anyone? 🙂

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]Our mutual rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness don’t, however, give the government the right to borrow money, spend it on stupid crap, then come after us and our grandchildren to pay it back.

In fact those very rights should prevent them from doing just that. Sadly, the constitution seems to no longer hold them back.

It is neither my borrowing, nor yours that will saddle future generations with massive debt. It is the government’s.[/quote]

So we have established the double standard that you have:

Monetary deficits are bad, energy deficits are not a problem.

In the end, your grandchildrens lives will be me much worse off from the energy deficit. All hail your special brand of personal freedom.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with good or bad. It has to do with the fact that you don’t have the right to make decisions for other people, even if you are trying to induce a result that, in your opinion, is good.[/quote]

We all have that right, up to a limit. It is called democracy.

But there are many people that argue that the the right to waste energy is on the allowed side of that limit and the right to incur public debt is on the disallowed side of the limit.

And I disagree, vehemently. You are arguing strawmen that *I* unilaterally want to limit your rights, and therefore I must be wrong. That is bullcrap. I argue to convince 50+% of the population to understand with and agree to enforce my proposal. Again, that’s called Democracy. Deal with it.

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]Our mutual rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness don’t, however, give the government the right to borrow money, spend it on stupid crap, then come after us and our grandchildren to pay it back.

In fact those very rights should prevent them from doing just that. Sadly, the constitution seems to no longer hold them back.

It is neither my borrowing, nor yours that will saddle future generations with massive debt. It is the government’s.[/quote]

So we have established the double standard that you have:

Monetary deficits are bad, energy deficits are not a problem.

In the end, your grandchildrens lives will be me much worse off from the energy deficit. All hail your special brand of personal freedom.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with good or bad. It has to do with the fact that you don’t have the right to make decisions for other people, even if you are trying to induce a result that, in your opinion, is good.[/quote]

We all have that right, up to a limit. It is called democracy.

But there are many people that argue that the the right to waste energy is on the allowed side of that limit and the right to incur public debt is on the disallowed side of the limit.

And I disagree, vehemently. You are arguing strawmen that *I* unilaterally want to limit your rights, and therefore I must be wrong. That is bullcrap. I argue to convince 50+% of the population to understand with and agree to enforce my proposal. Again, that’s called Democracy. Deal with it.

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]Our mutual rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness don’t, however, give the government the right to borrow money, spend it on stupid crap, then come after us and our grandchildren to pay it back.

In fact those very rights should prevent them from doing just that. Sadly, the constitution seems to no longer hold them back.

It is neither my borrowing, nor yours that will saddle future generations with massive debt. It is the government’s.[/quote]

So we have established the double standard that you have:

Monetary deficits are bad, energy deficits are not a problem.

In the end, your grandchildrens lives will be me much worse off from the energy deficit. All hail your special brand of personal freedom.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with good or bad. It has to do with the fact that you don’t have the right to make decisions for other people, even if you are trying to induce a result that, in your opinion, is good.[/quote]

We all have that right, up to a limit. It is called democracy.

But there are many people that argue that the the right to waste energy is on the allowed side of that limit and the right to incur public debt is on the disallowed side of the limit.

And I disagree, vehemently. You are arguing strawmen that *I* unilaterally want to limit your rights, and therefore I must be wrong. That is bullcrap. I argue to convince 50+% of the population to understand with and agree to enforce my proposal. Again, that’s called Democracy. Deal with it.

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]Our mutual rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness don’t, however, give the government the right to borrow money, spend it on stupid crap, then come after us and our grandchildren to pay it back.

In fact those very rights should prevent them from doing just that. Sadly, the constitution seems to no longer hold them back.

It is neither my borrowing, nor yours that will saddle future generations with massive debt. It is the government’s.[/quote]

So we have established the double standard that you have:

Monetary deficits are bad, energy deficits are not a problem.

In the end, your grandchildrens lives will be me much worse off from the energy deficit. All hail your special brand of personal freedom.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with good or bad. It has to do with the fact that you don’t have the right to make decisions for other people, even if you are trying to induce a result that, in your opinion, is good.[/quote]

We all have that right, up to a limit. It is called democracy.

But there are many people that argue that the the right to waste energy is on the allowed side of that limit and the right to incur public debt is on the disallowed side of the limit.

And I disagree, vehemently. You are arguing strawmen that *I* unilaterally want to limit your rights, and therefore I must be wrong. That is bullcrap. I argue to convince 50+% of the population to understand with and agree to enforce my proposal. Again, that’s called Democracy. Deal with it.

[justme]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]Our mutual rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness don’t, however, give the government the right to borrow money, spend it on stupid crap, then come after us and our grandchildren to pay it back.

In fact those very rights should prevent them from doing just that. Sadly, the constitution seems to no longer hold them back.

It is neither my borrowing, nor yours that will saddle future generations with massive debt. It is the government’s.[/quote]

So we have established the double standard that you have:

Monetary deficits are bad, energy deficits are not a problem.

In the end, your grandchildrens lives will be me much worse off from the energy deficit. All hail your special brand of personal freedom.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with good or bad. It has to do with the fact that you don’t have the right to make decisions for other people, even if you are trying to induce a result that, in your opinion, is good.[/quote]

We all have that right, up to a limit. It is called democracy.

But there are many people that argue that the the right to waste energy is on the allowed side of that limit and the right to incur public debt is on the disallowed side of the limit.

And I disagree, vehemently. You are arguing strawmen that *I* unilaterally want to limit your rights, and therefore I must be wrong. That is bullcrap. I argue to convince 50+% of the population to understand with and agree to enforce my proposal. Again, that’s called Democracy. Deal with it.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=DWCAP]
If the use of finite resources will leave our children worse off, then we should stop all use of them immediatly. But if we shut down our transportation industries, wont future generations be worse off as our economy implodes?
[/quote]

Why is stopping all use of finite resources the only option? Why isn’t it an option to regulate usage of fossil fuels through CAFE mpg standards and at the same time incentivizing creation of green technology through government programs?

This will allow the finite fossil fuels to last longer, reduce pollution, and give the government-supported scientists at universities more time to create alternative energy sources. It was government-supported scientists who created Google and other great technologies.

The government has created great things in the past and can again in the future if we let it.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=DWCAP]
If the use of finite resources will leave our children worse off, then we should stop all use of them immediatly. But if we shut down our transportation industries, wont future generations be worse off as our economy implodes?
[/quote]

Why is stopping all use of finite resources the only option? Why isn’t it an option to regulate usage of fossil fuels through CAFE mpg standards and at the same time incentivizing creation of green technology through government programs?

This will allow the finite fossil fuels to last longer, reduce pollution, and give the government-supported scientists at universities more time to create alternative energy sources. It was government-supported scientists who created Google and other great technologies.

The government has created great things in the past and can again in the future if we let it.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=DWCAP]
If the use of finite resources will leave our children worse off, then we should stop all use of them immediatly. But if we shut down our transportation industries, wont future generations be worse off as our economy implodes?
[/quote]

Why is stopping all use of finite resources the only option? Why isn’t it an option to regulate usage of fossil fuels through CAFE mpg standards and at the same time incentivizing creation of green technology through government programs?

This will allow the finite fossil fuels to last longer, reduce pollution, and give the government-supported scientists at universities more time to create alternative energy sources. It was government-supported scientists who created Google and other great technologies.

The government has created great things in the past and can again in the future if we let it.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=DWCAP]
If the use of finite resources will leave our children worse off, then we should stop all use of them immediatly. But if we shut down our transportation industries, wont future generations be worse off as our economy implodes?
[/quote]

Why is stopping all use of finite resources the only option? Why isn’t it an option to regulate usage of fossil fuels through CAFE mpg standards and at the same time incentivizing creation of green technology through government programs?

This will allow the finite fossil fuels to last longer, reduce pollution, and give the government-supported scientists at universities more time to create alternative energy sources. It was government-supported scientists who created Google and other great technologies.

The government has created great things in the past and can again in the future if we let it.

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