$500k and 33years old, when is enough enough?

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp%5B/quote%5D
Again, please reread my post. YOu’re reading into something that I never said and argue a point I never made. I, as in me, I would do such thing. This is not my belief. It’s a 100% fact, I would do it. I could careless what others would or wouldn’t do. I said I’m envious of of what they get over there.

On a more general point, have you ever work with any Swedish or Finnish? I’ve worked with plenty. Trust me when I say, they’re not even close to us in term of productivity. They also get overtime regardless of their pay (there’s no salary w/ no overtime over there). So, I see plenty of Swedes that would do what ever they can to work slower, or create more work for themselves to get paid more overtime. This is not some statistic data, it’s what I see all time time, since I work for a Swedish company.

My American coworkers and I on the other hand don’t get paid overtime, so we would try and finish that same amount of work as fast as we can so we can spend time with our families. If I was in their shoes, I’d do the exact same thing they’re doing.

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp%5B/quote%5D
Again, please reread my post. YOu’re reading into something that I never said and argue a point I never made. I, as in me, I would do such thing. This is not my belief. It’s a 100% fact, I would do it. I could careless what others would or wouldn’t do. I said I’m envious of of what they get over there.

On a more general point, have you ever work with any Swedish or Finnish? I’ve worked with plenty. Trust me when I say, they’re not even close to us in term of productivity. They also get overtime regardless of their pay (there’s no salary w/ no overtime over there). So, I see plenty of Swedes that would do what ever they can to work slower, or create more work for themselves to get paid more overtime. This is not some statistic data, it’s what I see all time time, since I work for a Swedish company.

My American coworkers and I on the other hand don’t get paid overtime, so we would try and finish that same amount of work as fast as we can so we can spend time with our families. If I was in their shoes, I’d do the exact same thing they’re doing.

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp%5B/quote%5D
Again, please reread my post. YOu’re reading into something that I never said and argue a point I never made. I, as in me, I would do such thing. This is not my belief. It’s a 100% fact, I would do it. I could careless what others would or wouldn’t do. I said I’m envious of of what they get over there.

On a more general point, have you ever work with any Swedish or Finnish? I’ve worked with plenty. Trust me when I say, they’re not even close to us in term of productivity. They also get overtime regardless of their pay (there’s no salary w/ no overtime over there). So, I see plenty of Swedes that would do what ever they can to work slower, or create more work for themselves to get paid more overtime. This is not some statistic data, it’s what I see all time time, since I work for a Swedish company.

My American coworkers and I on the other hand don’t get paid overtime, so we would try and finish that same amount of work as fast as we can so we can spend time with our families. If I was in their shoes, I’d do the exact same thing they’re doing.

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp%5B/quote%5D
Again, please reread my post. YOu’re reading into something that I never said and argue a point I never made. I, as in me, I would do such thing. This is not my belief. It’s a 100% fact, I would do it. I could careless what others would or wouldn’t do. I said I’m envious of of what they get over there.

On a more general point, have you ever work with any Swedish or Finnish? I’ve worked with plenty. Trust me when I say, they’re not even close to us in term of productivity. They also get overtime regardless of their pay (there’s no salary w/ no overtime over there). So, I see plenty of Swedes that would do what ever they can to work slower, or create more work for themselves to get paid more overtime. This is not some statistic data, it’s what I see all time time, since I work for a Swedish company.

My American coworkers and I on the other hand don’t get paid overtime, so we would try and finish that same amount of work as fast as we can so we can spend time with our families. If I was in their shoes, I’d do the exact same thing they’re doing.

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter][quote=AN]I think we should adopt Sweden’s social safety net. I love what the Swedish get over there. Permanent unemployment, start out at 90% of your salary and plateau at at 60% and stay that way for the rest of your life. Add in free healthcare, free higher education, and it’s nirvana.[/quote]

You mean this Sweden?…
Yeah, I’m sure it really sucks. ;)[/quote]
How did you read nirvana = suck? I’m confused? I would love to have what the Swedes have, right now. That mean I can try to get myself layoff the day they enact the changes and I can retire. I’m really envious of what they get over there.[/quote]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, a strong social safety net does not mean that people stop working, nor does it mean that they become less productive, nor does it mean that the economy is doomed.

The most productive countries (surely the countries that lack social safety nets would come out on top, according to your theory…let’s see what the facts are):

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_ove_pro_ppp-economy-overall-productivity-ppp%5B/quote%5D
Again, please reread my post. YOu’re reading into something that I never said and argue a point I never made. I, as in me, I would do such thing. This is not my belief. It’s a 100% fact, I would do it. I could careless what others would or wouldn’t do. I said I’m envious of of what they get over there.

On a more general point, have you ever work with any Swedish or Finnish? I’ve worked with plenty. Trust me when I say, they’re not even close to us in term of productivity. They also get overtime regardless of their pay (there’s no salary w/ no overtime over there). So, I see plenty of Swedes that would do what ever they can to work slower, or create more work for themselves to get paid more overtime. This is not some statistic data, it’s what I see all time time, since I work for a Swedish company.

My American coworkers and I on the other hand don’t get paid overtime, so we would try and finish that same amount of work as fast as we can so we can spend time with our families. If I was in their shoes, I’d do the exact same thing they’re doing.

[temeculaguy]

How did this get from minnesota to socialized medicine?

To the original post, 500k wont do it, I’ve been working on my own retirement numbers and it’s somewhere between 1 and 2 million. That’s social security, 401k, annuities, investments, everything. Regardless of where you are, hell I’m in temecula, so it’s minnesota prices anyway. That retirement formula leads to 10k+ per month with zero rent or mortgage. That’s easy street, everything else is a gamble. But i get the theme of wanting to be able to have your mortgage be a small part of your budget, you don’t always need snow in order to get that, but you aren’t usually going to live on the beach, just pick the sacrifices of least sacrifice to you personally.

If you think you are going to die soon, then take a different track, live where you want. personally, I could live in S.D. but ever since viagra/ciallis came out I’ve adjusted my strategy. I figure I need to save 50% of my income so I am richer as I age. With the current medications and the fact that the odds totally tilt in a man’s favor every day over 40 as far as the population of singles go. It’s going to be pandemonium. By 70, it’s like 3-1 women to men, I gave up sugar a few years ago, I exercise every day. I fully plan on wearing out my prescription drug coverage.

Since we have hit all the other topics on this thread, here are my votes. Yes on socialized medicine. Yes on sweden ( is that where they have legalized prostitution or is that denmark?) Then yes on denmark. No on Minnesota, the vikings situation alone is reason enough to take a “wait and see” approach. No on Sac and Encanto. Yes on Big bear, Mammoth or Tahoe, mostly because they have a summer and a winter, the winter only places suck. I can’t remember any of the other issues because it was a long thread, except the communist manifesto and atlas shrugged were both incomplete because neither mentions porn or the effect of real motivation. I understand the academia of political ideology, but idealogy gets lost in what actually motivates people. Someone is not motivated to go to school for 8 years to help their fellow man. They are motivated because in the end, they will get paid enough to drive a 6 series and then women will show them their breasts. That my friend is why communism failed.

[temeculaguy]

How did this get from minnesota to socialized medicine?

To the original post, 500k wont do it, I’ve been working on my own retirement numbers and it’s somewhere between 1 and 2 million. That’s social security, 401k, annuities, investments, everything. Regardless of where you are, hell I’m in temecula, so it’s minnesota prices anyway. That retirement formula leads to 10k+ per month with zero rent or mortgage. That’s easy street, everything else is a gamble. But i get the theme of wanting to be able to have your mortgage be a small part of your budget, you don’t always need snow in order to get that, but you aren’t usually going to live on the beach, just pick the sacrifices of least sacrifice to you personally.

If you think you are going to die soon, then take a different track, live where you want. personally, I could live in S.D. but ever since viagra/ciallis came out I’ve adjusted my strategy. I figure I need to save 50% of my income so I am richer as I age. With the current medications and the fact that the odds totally tilt in a man’s favor every day over 40 as far as the population of singles go. It’s going to be pandemonium. By 70, it’s like 3-1 women to men, I gave up sugar a few years ago, I exercise every day. I fully plan on wearing out my prescription drug coverage.

Since we have hit all the other topics on this thread, here are my votes. Yes on socialized medicine. Yes on sweden ( is that where they have legalized prostitution or is that denmark?) Then yes on denmark. No on Minnesota, the vikings situation alone is reason enough to take a “wait and see” approach. No on Sac and Encanto. Yes on Big bear, Mammoth or Tahoe, mostly because they have a summer and a winter, the winter only places suck. I can’t remember any of the other issues because it was a long thread, except the communist manifesto and atlas shrugged were both incomplete because neither mentions porn or the effect of real motivation. I understand the academia of political ideology, but idealogy gets lost in what actually motivates people. Someone is not motivated to go to school for 8 years to help their fellow man. They are motivated because in the end, they will get paid enough to drive a 6 series and then women will show them their breasts. That my friend is why communism failed.

[temeculaguy]

How did this get from minnesota to socialized medicine?

To the original post, 500k wont do it, I’ve been working on my own retirement numbers and it’s somewhere between 1 and 2 million. That’s social security, 401k, annuities, investments, everything. Regardless of where you are, hell I’m in temecula, so it’s minnesota prices anyway. That retirement formula leads to 10k+ per month with zero rent or mortgage. That’s easy street, everything else is a gamble. But i get the theme of wanting to be able to have your mortgage be a small part of your budget, you don’t always need snow in order to get that, but you aren’t usually going to live on the beach, just pick the sacrifices of least sacrifice to you personally.

If you think you are going to die soon, then take a different track, live where you want. personally, I could live in S.D. but ever since viagra/ciallis came out I’ve adjusted my strategy. I figure I need to save 50% of my income so I am richer as I age. With the current medications and the fact that the odds totally tilt in a man’s favor every day over 40 as far as the population of singles go. It’s going to be pandemonium. By 70, it’s like 3-1 women to men, I gave up sugar a few years ago, I exercise every day. I fully plan on wearing out my prescription drug coverage.

Since we have hit all the other topics on this thread, here are my votes. Yes on socialized medicine. Yes on sweden ( is that where they have legalized prostitution or is that denmark?) Then yes on denmark. No on Minnesota, the vikings situation alone is reason enough to take a “wait and see” approach. No on Sac and Encanto. Yes on Big bear, Mammoth or Tahoe, mostly because they have a summer and a winter, the winter only places suck. I can’t remember any of the other issues because it was a long thread, except the communist manifesto and atlas shrugged were both incomplete because neither mentions porn or the effect of real motivation. I understand the academia of political ideology, but idealogy gets lost in what actually motivates people. Someone is not motivated to go to school for 8 years to help their fellow man. They are motivated because in the end, they will get paid enough to drive a 6 series and then women will show them their breasts. That my friend is why communism failed.

[temeculaguy]

How did this get from minnesota to socialized medicine?

To the original post, 500k wont do it, I’ve been working on my own retirement numbers and it’s somewhere between 1 and 2 million. That’s social security, 401k, annuities, investments, everything. Regardless of where you are, hell I’m in temecula, so it’s minnesota prices anyway. That retirement formula leads to 10k+ per month with zero rent or mortgage. That’s easy street, everything else is a gamble. But i get the theme of wanting to be able to have your mortgage be a small part of your budget, you don’t always need snow in order to get that, but you aren’t usually going to live on the beach, just pick the sacrifices of least sacrifice to you personally.

If you think you are going to die soon, then take a different track, live where you want. personally, I could live in S.D. but ever since viagra/ciallis came out I’ve adjusted my strategy. I figure I need to save 50% of my income so I am richer as I age. With the current medications and the fact that the odds totally tilt in a man’s favor every day over 40 as far as the population of singles go. It’s going to be pandemonium. By 70, it’s like 3-1 women to men, I gave up sugar a few years ago, I exercise every day. I fully plan on wearing out my prescription drug coverage.

Since we have hit all the other topics on this thread, here are my votes. Yes on socialized medicine. Yes on sweden ( is that where they have legalized prostitution or is that denmark?) Then yes on denmark. No on Minnesota, the vikings situation alone is reason enough to take a “wait and see” approach. No on Sac and Encanto. Yes on Big bear, Mammoth or Tahoe, mostly because they have a summer and a winter, the winter only places suck. I can’t remember any of the other issues because it was a long thread, except the communist manifesto and atlas shrugged were both incomplete because neither mentions porn or the effect of real motivation. I understand the academia of political ideology, but idealogy gets lost in what actually motivates people. Someone is not motivated to go to school for 8 years to help their fellow man. They are motivated because in the end, they will get paid enough to drive a 6 series and then women will show them their breasts. That my friend is why communism failed.

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