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February 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM #668688February 17, 2011 at 3:29 PM #667566
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Participantcarli – that is good to hear about DMUSD expanding their GATE program. That’s the opposite trend of San Diego schools. They still have a GATE program – but funds are being cut and Seminar classes are increasing in size next year.
I’ve compared notes with coworkers about the GATE programs in PUSD, SDUSD, and DMUSD. The are a couple of differences. I know the most about SDUSD because I live in San Diego and my kids go to public school in San Diego.
Poway and San Diego districts do Gate testing in the 2nd grade. In fact my younger son is being tested tomorrow. From what I’ve heard from CV coworkers the testing isn’t till 5th grade in that district.
San Diego has GATE – which is for kids in the top 2%. And it has Seminar – which is for kids in the top 0.3% or something like that.
Seminar classes are homogeneous and smaller class size. GATE classes tend to follow the cluster model – at least 1/3 of the students in the class are identified GATE – and in theory – the teacher offers differentiation so that the GATE kids can work ahead of grade level, or delve deeper into a subject. Some of the elementary school were offering homogeneous classes for GATE, but the district has moved away from that. Doyle was doing this until recently.Schools vary widely – so it’s good to get info about individual schools and how they implement the GATE program and/or Seminar Program. The “site surveys” are online.
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011453310/blank/browse.asp?a=383&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&c=56090&20451072011453310Nav=|287|&NodeID=287There can be pretty different approaches to seminar programs. Some emphasize the Socratic method, others may do tiered lessons. (Spreckels Elem. is big on Socratic method, Hawthorne is more about using tiered lessons to allow differentiation.) So the seminar programs should be looked at to see which school is a good fit – if your child tests in.
SDUSD also allows a retest in 5th grade for kids who either didn’t test GATE, or tested GATE and want to be tested for Seminar. To qualify for the retest the first test has to have had a score of 85% or better. (98% is the minimum for GATE) and they have to have scored Advanced on 5 CSTs.
February 17, 2011 at 3:29 PM #667628Participantcarli – that is good to hear about DMUSD expanding their GATE program. That’s the opposite trend of San Diego schools. They still have a GATE program – but funds are being cut and Seminar classes are increasing in size next year.
I’ve compared notes with coworkers about the GATE programs in PUSD, SDUSD, and DMUSD. The are a couple of differences. I know the most about SDUSD because I live in San Diego and my kids go to public school in San Diego.
Poway and San Diego districts do Gate testing in the 2nd grade. In fact my younger son is being tested tomorrow. From what I’ve heard from CV coworkers the testing isn’t till 5th grade in that district.
San Diego has GATE – which is for kids in the top 2%. And it has Seminar – which is for kids in the top 0.3% or something like that.
Seminar classes are homogeneous and smaller class size. GATE classes tend to follow the cluster model – at least 1/3 of the students in the class are identified GATE – and in theory – the teacher offers differentiation so that the GATE kids can work ahead of grade level, or delve deeper into a subject. Some of the elementary school were offering homogeneous classes for GATE, but the district has moved away from that. Doyle was doing this until recently.Schools vary widely – so it’s good to get info about individual schools and how they implement the GATE program and/or Seminar Program. The “site surveys” are online.
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011453310/blank/browse.asp?a=383&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&c=56090&20451072011453310Nav=|287|&NodeID=287There can be pretty different approaches to seminar programs. Some emphasize the Socratic method, others may do tiered lessons. (Spreckels Elem. is big on Socratic method, Hawthorne is more about using tiered lessons to allow differentiation.) So the seminar programs should be looked at to see which school is a good fit – if your child tests in.
SDUSD also allows a retest in 5th grade for kids who either didn’t test GATE, or tested GATE and want to be tested for Seminar. To qualify for the retest the first test has to have had a score of 85% or better. (98% is the minimum for GATE) and they have to have scored Advanced on 5 CSTs.
February 17, 2011 at 3:29 PM #668237Participantcarli – that is good to hear about DMUSD expanding their GATE program. That’s the opposite trend of San Diego schools. They still have a GATE program – but funds are being cut and Seminar classes are increasing in size next year.
I’ve compared notes with coworkers about the GATE programs in PUSD, SDUSD, and DMUSD. The are a couple of differences. I know the most about SDUSD because I live in San Diego and my kids go to public school in San Diego.
Poway and San Diego districts do Gate testing in the 2nd grade. In fact my younger son is being tested tomorrow. From what I’ve heard from CV coworkers the testing isn’t till 5th grade in that district.
San Diego has GATE – which is for kids in the top 2%. And it has Seminar – which is for kids in the top 0.3% or something like that.
Seminar classes are homogeneous and smaller class size. GATE classes tend to follow the cluster model – at least 1/3 of the students in the class are identified GATE – and in theory – the teacher offers differentiation so that the GATE kids can work ahead of grade level, or delve deeper into a subject. Some of the elementary school were offering homogeneous classes for GATE, but the district has moved away from that. Doyle was doing this until recently.Schools vary widely – so it’s good to get info about individual schools and how they implement the GATE program and/or Seminar Program. The “site surveys” are online.
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011453310/blank/browse.asp?a=383&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&c=56090&20451072011453310Nav=|287|&NodeID=287There can be pretty different approaches to seminar programs. Some emphasize the Socratic method, others may do tiered lessons. (Spreckels Elem. is big on Socratic method, Hawthorne is more about using tiered lessons to allow differentiation.) So the seminar programs should be looked at to see which school is a good fit – if your child tests in.
SDUSD also allows a retest in 5th grade for kids who either didn’t test GATE, or tested GATE and want to be tested for Seminar. To qualify for the retest the first test has to have had a score of 85% or better. (98% is the minimum for GATE) and they have to have scored Advanced on 5 CSTs.
February 17, 2011 at 3:29 PM #668375Participantcarli – that is good to hear about DMUSD expanding their GATE program. That’s the opposite trend of San Diego schools. They still have a GATE program – but funds are being cut and Seminar classes are increasing in size next year.
I’ve compared notes with coworkers about the GATE programs in PUSD, SDUSD, and DMUSD. The are a couple of differences. I know the most about SDUSD because I live in San Diego and my kids go to public school in San Diego.
Poway and San Diego districts do Gate testing in the 2nd grade. In fact my younger son is being tested tomorrow. From what I’ve heard from CV coworkers the testing isn’t till 5th grade in that district.
San Diego has GATE – which is for kids in the top 2%. And it has Seminar – which is for kids in the top 0.3% or something like that.
Seminar classes are homogeneous and smaller class size. GATE classes tend to follow the cluster model – at least 1/3 of the students in the class are identified GATE – and in theory – the teacher offers differentiation so that the GATE kids can work ahead of grade level, or delve deeper into a subject. Some of the elementary school were offering homogeneous classes for GATE, but the district has moved away from that. Doyle was doing this until recently.Schools vary widely – so it’s good to get info about individual schools and how they implement the GATE program and/or Seminar Program. The “site surveys” are online.
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011453310/blank/browse.asp?a=383&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&c=56090&20451072011453310Nav=|287|&NodeID=287There can be pretty different approaches to seminar programs. Some emphasize the Socratic method, others may do tiered lessons. (Spreckels Elem. is big on Socratic method, Hawthorne is more about using tiered lessons to allow differentiation.) So the seminar programs should be looked at to see which school is a good fit – if your child tests in.
SDUSD also allows a retest in 5th grade for kids who either didn’t test GATE, or tested GATE and want to be tested for Seminar. To qualify for the retest the first test has to have had a score of 85% or better. (98% is the minimum for GATE) and they have to have scored Advanced on 5 CSTs.
February 17, 2011 at 3:29 PM #668718Participantcarli – that is good to hear about DMUSD expanding their GATE program. That’s the opposite trend of San Diego schools. They still have a GATE program – but funds are being cut and Seminar classes are increasing in size next year.
I’ve compared notes with coworkers about the GATE programs in PUSD, SDUSD, and DMUSD. The are a couple of differences. I know the most about SDUSD because I live in San Diego and my kids go to public school in San Diego.
Poway and San Diego districts do Gate testing in the 2nd grade. In fact my younger son is being tested tomorrow. From what I’ve heard from CV coworkers the testing isn’t till 5th grade in that district.
San Diego has GATE – which is for kids in the top 2%. And it has Seminar – which is for kids in the top 0.3% or something like that.
Seminar classes are homogeneous and smaller class size. GATE classes tend to follow the cluster model – at least 1/3 of the students in the class are identified GATE – and in theory – the teacher offers differentiation so that the GATE kids can work ahead of grade level, or delve deeper into a subject. Some of the elementary school were offering homogeneous classes for GATE, but the district has moved away from that. Doyle was doing this until recently.Schools vary widely – so it’s good to get info about individual schools and how they implement the GATE program and/or Seminar Program. The “site surveys” are online.
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011453310/blank/browse.asp?a=383&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&c=56090&20451072011453310Nav=|287|&NodeID=287There can be pretty different approaches to seminar programs. Some emphasize the Socratic method, others may do tiered lessons. (Spreckels Elem. is big on Socratic method, Hawthorne is more about using tiered lessons to allow differentiation.) So the seminar programs should be looked at to see which school is a good fit – if your child tests in.
SDUSD also allows a retest in 5th grade for kids who either didn’t test GATE, or tested GATE and want to be tested for Seminar. To qualify for the retest the first test has to have had a score of 85% or better. (98% is the minimum for GATE) and they have to have scored Advanced on 5 CSTs.
February 17, 2011 at 3:55 PM #667591
CoronitaParticipant[quote=carli]Woah, BG, not sure I understand where you’re coming from on all this so I think I’ll just leave it alone. My point was never to push Carmel Valley (or Mello Roos) on anyone. In fact, I live in a non-Mello Roos area in Del Mar, which is also within the same elementary school district (DMUSD) as Carmel Valley, as you probably know. We live in an older neighborhood where we bought a house built in 1968 and fixed it up. No Mello Roos involved. And, more power to anyone who wants to live in San Diego Unified, or anywhere else for that matter. I’m simply trying to respond to the OP and provide opinions/info based on my experience and am truly not biased towards or against any one neighborhood. It’s such a personal decision, and I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes.
Anywho…
A couple of small clarifications to flu’s post: he mentions by name the two most impacted schools in the DMUSD district as Sage Canyon and East Ocean, but the name of the 2nd one is actually Ocean Air, not East Ocean. I know flu knows this and East Ocean is probably close enough, but I just wanted to clarify for the OP, who is probably confused enough already! Also, I think the Solana Beach school district extends much further east from El Camino Real into the 92130 zipcode. I’m pretty sure that, once you get east of I-5 the whole area north of Del Mar Heights Rd all the way up to the end of DM Heights Rd, where Canyon Crest Academy is located, lies within Solana Beach school district (including Pacific Highlands Ranch).[/quote]
Ocean Air Elementary, yup… It’s off of East Ocean Air….Thanks.
SB school extension is new to me, it use to only be that location…Oh well….I stand corrected….Just call the school district and ask…Frankly, the SB Elementary test scores aren’t that much different from the rest of DMUSD.That was my point..And everyone ends up in the same middle school and high schools anyway, when it really matters.
February 17, 2011 at 3:55 PM #667653CoronitaParticipant[quote=carli]Woah, BG, not sure I understand where you’re coming from on all this so I think I’ll just leave it alone. My point was never to push Carmel Valley (or Mello Roos) on anyone. In fact, I live in a non-Mello Roos area in Del Mar, which is also within the same elementary school district (DMUSD) as Carmel Valley, as you probably know. We live in an older neighborhood where we bought a house built in 1968 and fixed it up. No Mello Roos involved. And, more power to anyone who wants to live in San Diego Unified, or anywhere else for that matter. I’m simply trying to respond to the OP and provide opinions/info based on my experience and am truly not biased towards or against any one neighborhood. It’s such a personal decision, and I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes.
Anywho…
A couple of small clarifications to flu’s post: he mentions by name the two most impacted schools in the DMUSD district as Sage Canyon and East Ocean, but the name of the 2nd one is actually Ocean Air, not East Ocean. I know flu knows this and East Ocean is probably close enough, but I just wanted to clarify for the OP, who is probably confused enough already! Also, I think the Solana Beach school district extends much further east from El Camino Real into the 92130 zipcode. I’m pretty sure that, once you get east of I-5 the whole area north of Del Mar Heights Rd all the way up to the end of DM Heights Rd, where Canyon Crest Academy is located, lies within Solana Beach school district (including Pacific Highlands Ranch).[/quote]
Ocean Air Elementary, yup… It’s off of East Ocean Air….Thanks.
SB school extension is new to me, it use to only be that location…Oh well….I stand corrected….Just call the school district and ask…Frankly, the SB Elementary test scores aren’t that much different from the rest of DMUSD.That was my point..And everyone ends up in the same middle school and high schools anyway, when it really matters.
February 17, 2011 at 3:55 PM #668262CoronitaParticipant[quote=carli]Woah, BG, not sure I understand where you’re coming from on all this so I think I’ll just leave it alone. My point was never to push Carmel Valley (or Mello Roos) on anyone. In fact, I live in a non-Mello Roos area in Del Mar, which is also within the same elementary school district (DMUSD) as Carmel Valley, as you probably know. We live in an older neighborhood where we bought a house built in 1968 and fixed it up. No Mello Roos involved. And, more power to anyone who wants to live in San Diego Unified, or anywhere else for that matter. I’m simply trying to respond to the OP and provide opinions/info based on my experience and am truly not biased towards or against any one neighborhood. It’s such a personal decision, and I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes.
Anywho…
A couple of small clarifications to flu’s post: he mentions by name the two most impacted schools in the DMUSD district as Sage Canyon and East Ocean, but the name of the 2nd one is actually Ocean Air, not East Ocean. I know flu knows this and East Ocean is probably close enough, but I just wanted to clarify for the OP, who is probably confused enough already! Also, I think the Solana Beach school district extends much further east from El Camino Real into the 92130 zipcode. I’m pretty sure that, once you get east of I-5 the whole area north of Del Mar Heights Rd all the way up to the end of DM Heights Rd, where Canyon Crest Academy is located, lies within Solana Beach school district (including Pacific Highlands Ranch).[/quote]
Ocean Air Elementary, yup… It’s off of East Ocean Air….Thanks.
SB school extension is new to me, it use to only be that location…Oh well….I stand corrected….Just call the school district and ask…Frankly, the SB Elementary test scores aren’t that much different from the rest of DMUSD.That was my point..And everyone ends up in the same middle school and high schools anyway, when it really matters.
February 17, 2011 at 3:55 PM #668400CoronitaParticipant[quote=carli]Woah, BG, not sure I understand where you’re coming from on all this so I think I’ll just leave it alone. My point was never to push Carmel Valley (or Mello Roos) on anyone. In fact, I live in a non-Mello Roos area in Del Mar, which is also within the same elementary school district (DMUSD) as Carmel Valley, as you probably know. We live in an older neighborhood where we bought a house built in 1968 and fixed it up. No Mello Roos involved. And, more power to anyone who wants to live in San Diego Unified, or anywhere else for that matter. I’m simply trying to respond to the OP and provide opinions/info based on my experience and am truly not biased towards or against any one neighborhood. It’s such a personal decision, and I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes.
Anywho…
A couple of small clarifications to flu’s post: he mentions by name the two most impacted schools in the DMUSD district as Sage Canyon and East Ocean, but the name of the 2nd one is actually Ocean Air, not East Ocean. I know flu knows this and East Ocean is probably close enough, but I just wanted to clarify for the OP, who is probably confused enough already! Also, I think the Solana Beach school district extends much further east from El Camino Real into the 92130 zipcode. I’m pretty sure that, once you get east of I-5 the whole area north of Del Mar Heights Rd all the way up to the end of DM Heights Rd, where Canyon Crest Academy is located, lies within Solana Beach school district (including Pacific Highlands Ranch).[/quote]
Ocean Air Elementary, yup… It’s off of East Ocean Air….Thanks.
SB school extension is new to me, it use to only be that location…Oh well….I stand corrected….Just call the school district and ask…Frankly, the SB Elementary test scores aren’t that much different from the rest of DMUSD.That was my point..And everyone ends up in the same middle school and high schools anyway, when it really matters.
February 17, 2011 at 3:55 PM #668743CoronitaParticipant[quote=carli]Woah, BG, not sure I understand where you’re coming from on all this so I think I’ll just leave it alone. My point was never to push Carmel Valley (or Mello Roos) on anyone. In fact, I live in a non-Mello Roos area in Del Mar, which is also within the same elementary school district (DMUSD) as Carmel Valley, as you probably know. We live in an older neighborhood where we bought a house built in 1968 and fixed it up. No Mello Roos involved. And, more power to anyone who wants to live in San Diego Unified, or anywhere else for that matter. I’m simply trying to respond to the OP and provide opinions/info based on my experience and am truly not biased towards or against any one neighborhood. It’s such a personal decision, and I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes.
Anywho…
A couple of small clarifications to flu’s post: he mentions by name the two most impacted schools in the DMUSD district as Sage Canyon and East Ocean, but the name of the 2nd one is actually Ocean Air, not East Ocean. I know flu knows this and East Ocean is probably close enough, but I just wanted to clarify for the OP, who is probably confused enough already! Also, I think the Solana Beach school district extends much further east from El Camino Real into the 92130 zipcode. I’m pretty sure that, once you get east of I-5 the whole area north of Del Mar Heights Rd all the way up to the end of DM Heights Rd, where Canyon Crest Academy is located, lies within Solana Beach school district (including Pacific Highlands Ranch).[/quote]
Ocean Air Elementary, yup… It’s off of East Ocean Air….Thanks.
SB school extension is new to me, it use to only be that location…Oh well….I stand corrected….Just call the school district and ask…Frankly, the SB Elementary test scores aren’t that much different from the rest of DMUSD.That was my point..And everyone ends up in the same middle school and high schools anyway, when it really matters.
February 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM #667621bearishgurl
Participant[quote=carli] . . . I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes. . .[/quote]
carli, if you reread my post, you will see that I never “insisted” that the OP move anywhere in particular. I was just stating facts about percentages of and length of MR that they may not be aware of within CFDs (of which they may not be aware of their existence). The OP presumably resides out-of-state and is considering making a purchase in 92130, NOT older Del Mar, where you live. As you know, 92130 (AND 92127) is overwhelmingly situated within various CFD’s where annual Mello-Roos bonds vary widely. He/she may or may not be aware of this and has a right to know, ESPECIALLY since there is no guaranteed attendance areas for Elem school in the areas he/she is considering purchasing in (in 92130). These are also areas where these large and lengthy MR obligations lie.
The OP has MANY choices in this county in his/her price range and may not realize it. These choices DO NOT necessarily have to be entirely focused within heavily-indebted CFD’s.
February 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM #667683Participant[quote=carli] . . . I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes. . .[/quote]
carli, if you reread my post, you will see that I never “insisted” that the OP move anywhere in particular. I was just stating facts about percentages of and length of MR that they may not be aware of within CFDs (of which they may not be aware of their existence). The OP presumably resides out-of-state and is considering making a purchase in 92130, NOT older Del Mar, where you live. As you know, 92130 (AND 92127) is overwhelmingly situated within various CFD’s where annual Mello-Roos bonds vary widely. He/she may or may not be aware of this and has a right to know, ESPECIALLY since there is no guaranteed attendance areas for Elem school in the areas he/she is considering purchasing in (in 92130). These are also areas where these large and lengthy MR obligations lie.
The OP has MANY choices in this county in his/her price range and may not realize it. These choices DO NOT necessarily have to be entirely focused within heavily-indebted CFD’s.
February 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM #668292Participant[quote=carli] . . . I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes. . .[/quote]
carli, if you reread my post, you will see that I never “insisted” that the OP move anywhere in particular. I was just stating facts about percentages of and length of MR that they may not be aware of within CFDs (of which they may not be aware of their existence). The OP presumably resides out-of-state and is considering making a purchase in 92130, NOT older Del Mar, where you live. As you know, 92130 (AND 92127) is overwhelmingly situated within various CFD’s where annual Mello-Roos bonds vary widely. He/she may or may not be aware of this and has a right to know, ESPECIALLY since there is no guaranteed attendance areas for Elem school in the areas he/she is considering purchasing in (in 92130). These are also areas where these large and lengthy MR obligations lie.
The OP has MANY choices in this county in his/her price range and may not realize it. These choices DO NOT necessarily have to be entirely focused within heavily-indebted CFD’s.
February 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM #668430Participant[quote=carli] . . . I don’t understand your frequent insistence on trying to sell one place over another, especially without knowing an individual’s needs or tastes. . .[/quote]
carli, if you reread my post, you will see that I never “insisted” that the OP move anywhere in particular. I was just stating facts about percentages of and length of MR that they may not be aware of within CFDs (of which they may not be aware of their existence). The OP presumably resides out-of-state and is considering making a purchase in 92130, NOT older Del Mar, where you live. As you know, 92130 (AND 92127) is overwhelmingly situated within various CFD’s where annual Mello-Roos bonds vary widely. He/she may or may not be aware of this and has a right to know, ESPECIALLY since there is no guaranteed attendance areas for Elem school in the areas he/she is considering purchasing in (in 92130). These are also areas where these large and lengthy MR obligations lie.
The OP has MANY choices in this county in his/her price range and may not realize it. These choices DO NOT necessarily have to be entirely focused within heavily-indebted CFD’s.
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