4 closure Ranch errr scratch that “Fire proof” Ranch = new nickname for 4S Ranch

[bsrsharma]

Why do I sense so much animosity towards 4Sbuyer’s suggestion that those homes have been built better for fire resistance? Anyone who knows about commercial buildings is aware of all those techniques – avoid using combustible building materials, install sprinkler system, better fire/smoke/heat alarm than the home depot kind etc., It makes no sense at all that people buy million $ homes without basic fire resistance that would cost at most 10% more if designed and built right at the time of construction. Using steel & concrete framing would hardly cost anymore than wood framing and that itself would keep a home from collapsing with the first embers.

[PD]

4Sbuyer is desperately trying to convince everyone else (and probably himself) that 4S will resist further downward price pressure. Guess what, 4S is going down the drain regardless of how many sprinkler heads each home sports. I lived in a home build in 2002 in Ramona. We had great alarms, great sprinkler systems in the homes, strict clearance requirements for brush and homes still burned down in the Cedar Fire. I remember looking at one burned house where the skeleton of the sprinkler system hung over the ashes.

[PD]

4Sbuyer is desperately trying to convince everyone else (and probably himself) that 4S will resist further downward price pressure. Guess what, 4S is going down the drain regardless of how many sprinkler heads each home sports. I lived in a home build in 2002 in Ramona. We had great alarms, great sprinkler systems in the homes, strict clearance requirements for brush and homes still burned down in the Cedar Fire. I remember looking at one burned house where the skeleton of the sprinkler system hung over the ashes.

[PD]

4Sbuyer is desperately trying to convince everyone else (and probably himself) that 4S will resist further downward price pressure. Guess what, 4S is going down the drain regardless of how many sprinkler heads each home sports. I lived in a home build in 2002 in Ramona. We had great alarms, great sprinkler systems in the homes, strict clearance requirements for brush and homes still burned down in the Cedar Fire. I remember looking at one burned house where the skeleton of the sprinkler system hung over the ashes.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

No overpriced 4S for me. I’d rather have a bullet and fire=proof Barrio Logan house. Easy commute downtown. No snobby Land Rover-driving pinheads. AND it’s safe from fires.

Prices are going to skyrocket in Barrio Logan !

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

No overpriced 4S for me. I’d rather have a bullet and fire=proof Barrio Logan house. Easy commute downtown. No snobby Land Rover-driving pinheads. AND it’s safe from fires.

Prices are going to skyrocket in Barrio Logan !

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

No overpriced 4S for me. I’d rather have a bullet and fire=proof Barrio Logan house. Easy commute downtown. No snobby Land Rover-driving pinheads. AND it’s safe from fires.

Prices are going to skyrocket in Barrio Logan !

[bsrsharma]

homes still burned down

PD – were these concrete or steel framed or wood framed structures? If they did all that "protection" to a wood framed home, it would be a sheep in wolf's clothing – just gives a false sense of security. That is worse than a normal wood framed home where your instinct tells you to run!

[bsrsharma]

homes still burned down

PD – were these concrete or steel framed or wood framed structures? If they did all that "protection" to a wood framed home, it would be a sheep in wolf's clothing – just gives a false sense of security. That is worse than a normal wood framed home where your instinct tells you to run!

[bsrsharma]

homes still burned down

PD – were these concrete or steel framed or wood framed structures? If they did all that "protection" to a wood framed home, it would be a sheep in wolf's clothing – just gives a false sense of security. That is worse than a normal wood framed home where your instinct tells you to run!

[4Sbuyer2002]

You guys don’t pay attention. I never said anything about 4S not losing value. Its lost value, it is losing value, and it will continue to lose value for a time. The ONLY point I made was that “all things being equal” (i.e. all of SD in a downward RE spiral) 4S has unique added value in that it is built with “fire resistant” technology. A very valuable asset in San Diego these days. My only point is that 4S has valuable features built in that most other homes do not have. This will make a difference in the minds of buyers (thus I am here :-)) but its not going to stop the declining values of 4S RE, although it may slow or limit the decline. If I were a buyer on the fence between buying in 4S or elsewhere and I were aware of these facts of 4S construction it would definitely make me lean towards buying the 4S home as opposed to another I was equally considering elsewhere. Lets at least agree on the following: 1: Fires which burn homes are bad (you still with me?) and 2: homes less prone to burn due to modern contruction technology are good (still there?), and 3: 4S has this modern technology while many ohter homes don’t(an indisputable fact). Anyone who does not 100% agree on the previous three points please respond and explain yourself.

And on the benefits or not of new housing. Don’t quote me some environmentalist wacko.

“Shelter in place doesn’t change the fact you’re building in a danger zone,” said anti-sprawl activist Duncan McFetridge, president of Save Our Forest and Ranchlands .

He’s the type of person who would like to bulldoze all of SD and give in all back to the half brained spotted snail farter birds or some other obscure animal, insect, bug. His comments on fire safety of homes is worthless compared to the fire chief’s opinions.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

You guys don’t pay attention. I never said anything about 4S not losing value. Its lost value, it is losing value, and it will continue to lose value for a time. The ONLY point I made was that “all things being equal” (i.e. all of SD in a downward RE spiral) 4S has unique added value in that it is built with “fire resistant” technology. A very valuable asset in San Diego these days. My only point is that 4S has valuable features built in that most other homes do not have. This will make a difference in the minds of buyers (thus I am here :-)) but its not going to stop the declining values of 4S RE, although it may slow or limit the decline. If I were a buyer on the fence between buying in 4S or elsewhere and I were aware of these facts of 4S construction it would definitely make me lean towards buying the 4S home as opposed to another I was equally considering elsewhere. Lets at least agree on the following: 1: Fires which burn homes are bad (you still with me?) and 2: homes less prone to burn due to modern contruction technology are good (still there?), and 3: 4S has this modern technology while many ohter homes don’t(an indisputable fact). Anyone who does not 100% agree on the previous three points please respond and explain yourself.

And on the benefits or not of new housing. Don’t quote me some environmentalist wacko.

“Shelter in place doesn’t change the fact you’re building in a danger zone,” said anti-sprawl activist Duncan McFetridge, president of Save Our Forest and Ranchlands .

He’s the type of person who would like to bulldoze all of SD and give in all back to the half brained spotted snail farter birds or some other obscure animal, insect, bug. His comments on fire safety of homes is worthless compared to the fire chief’s opinions.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

You guys don’t pay attention. I never said anything about 4S not losing value. Its lost value, it is losing value, and it will continue to lose value for a time. The ONLY point I made was that “all things being equal” (i.e. all of SD in a downward RE spiral) 4S has unique added value in that it is built with “fire resistant” technology. A very valuable asset in San Diego these days. My only point is that 4S has valuable features built in that most other homes do not have. This will make a difference in the minds of buyers (thus I am here :-)) but its not going to stop the declining values of 4S RE, although it may slow or limit the decline. If I were a buyer on the fence between buying in 4S or elsewhere and I were aware of these facts of 4S construction it would definitely make me lean towards buying the 4S home as opposed to another I was equally considering elsewhere. Lets at least agree on the following: 1: Fires which burn homes are bad (you still with me?) and 2: homes less prone to burn due to modern contruction technology are good (still there?), and 3: 4S has this modern technology while many ohter homes don’t(an indisputable fact). Anyone who does not 100% agree on the previous three points please respond and explain yourself.

And on the benefits or not of new housing. Don’t quote me some environmentalist wacko.

“Shelter in place doesn’t change the fact you’re building in a danger zone,” said anti-sprawl activist Duncan McFetridge, president of Save Our Forest and Ranchlands .

He’s the type of person who would like to bulldoze all of SD and give in all back to the half brained spotted snail farter birds or some other obscure animal, insect, bug. His comments on fire safety of homes is worthless compared to the fire chief’s opinions.

grateful owner . . . .

[patientlywaiting]

All new houses are built the same, in 4S or any other place in SD. It’s matter of choosing between older or new.

All SFRs are built using wood framing. The new house may have better coatings (stucco, etc.)

Steel and concrete are only used for expensive custom houses.

[patientlywaiting]

All new houses are built the same, in 4S or any other place in SD. It’s matter of choosing between older or new.

All SFRs are built using wood framing. The new house may have better coatings (stucco, etc.)

Steel and concrete are only used for expensive custom houses.

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