4 closure Ranch errr scratch that “Fire proof” Ranch = new nickname for 4S Ranch

[nostradamus]

4sbuyer, my friends in 4S got the reverse-911 call to evacuate. Are you saying they should not have complied? They came to my place in Sorrento Valley… then we got evacuated (later I was told that evacuation was a mistake).

[nostradamus]

4sbuyer, my friends in 4S got the reverse-911 call to evacuate. Are you saying they should not have complied? They came to my place in Sorrento Valley… then we got evacuated (later I was told that evacuation was a mistake).

[nostradamus]

4sbuyer, my friends in 4S got the reverse-911 call to evacuate. Are you saying they should not have complied? They came to my place in Sorrento Valley… then we got evacuated (later I was told that evacuation was a mistake).

[nostradamus]

4sbuyer, my friends in 4S got the reverse-911 call to evacuate. Are you saying they should not have complied? They came to my place in Sorrento Valley… then we got evacuated (later I was told that evacuation was a mistake).

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[NewtoSanDiego]

4Sbuyer2002,
By your Monkier, you seem to have a vested interesting in pumping up the wildfire safety of 4S. You own a home there!

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo is in a HIGH Wildfire risk zone. No gettting around it. Other areas in San Diego county have much lower wildfire risk, JUST LOOK AT THE MAPS! You can subscribe to it to get additional details.

http://www.sanborn.com/solutions/ca_wildfires_2007.asp

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo had a mandatory evacuation order during the 2007 wildfire that clogged exits out of the community.

I, like many others have exclude 4S Rancho Bernardo, Ramona, and other areas for consideration for place of residence. These areas have a high risk of future wildfires.

Thank you for your vigorous (albeit biased) defense of your community.

[NewtoSanDiego]

4Sbuyer2002,
By your Monkier, you seem to have a vested interesting in pumping up the wildfire safety of 4S. You own a home there!

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo is in a HIGH Wildfire risk zone. No gettting around it. Other areas in San Diego county have much lower wildfire risk, JUST LOOK AT THE MAPS! You can subscribe to it to get additional details.

http://www.sanborn.com/solutions/ca_wildfires_2007.asp

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo had a mandatory evacuation order during the 2007 wildfire that clogged exits out of the community.

I, like many others have exclude 4S Rancho Bernardo, Ramona, and other areas for consideration for place of residence. These areas have a high risk of future wildfires.

Thank you for your vigorous (albeit biased) defense of your community.

[NewtoSanDiego]

4Sbuyer2002,
By your Monkier, you seem to have a vested interesting in pumping up the wildfire safety of 4S. You own a home there!

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo is in a HIGH Wildfire risk zone. No gettting around it. Other areas in San Diego county have much lower wildfire risk, JUST LOOK AT THE MAPS! You can subscribe to it to get additional details.

http://www.sanborn.com/solutions/ca_wildfires_2007.asp

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo had a mandatory evacuation order during the 2007 wildfire that clogged exits out of the community.

I, like many others have exclude 4S Rancho Bernardo, Ramona, and other areas for consideration for place of residence. These areas have a high risk of future wildfires.

Thank you for your vigorous (albeit biased) defense of your community.

[NewtoSanDiego]

4Sbuyer2002,
By your Monkier, you seem to have a vested interesting in pumping up the wildfire safety of 4S. You own a home there!

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo is in a HIGH Wildfire risk zone. No gettting around it. Other areas in San Diego county have much lower wildfire risk, JUST LOOK AT THE MAPS! You can subscribe to it to get additional details.

http://www.sanborn.com/solutions/ca_wildfires_2007.asp

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo had a mandatory evacuation order during the 2007 wildfire that clogged exits out of the community.

I, like many others have exclude 4S Rancho Bernardo, Ramona, and other areas for consideration for place of residence. These areas have a high risk of future wildfires.

Thank you for your vigorous (albeit biased) defense of your community.

[NewtoSanDiego]

4Sbuyer2002,
By your Monkier, you seem to have a vested interesting in pumping up the wildfire safety of 4S. You own a home there!

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo is in a HIGH Wildfire risk zone. No gettting around it. Other areas in San Diego county have much lower wildfire risk, JUST LOOK AT THE MAPS! You can subscribe to it to get additional details.

http://www.sanborn.com/solutions/ca_wildfires_2007.asp

Fact: 4S Rancho Bernardo had a mandatory evacuation order during the 2007 wildfire that clogged exits out of the community.

I, like many others have exclude 4S Rancho Bernardo, Ramona, and other areas for consideration for place of residence. These areas have a high risk of future wildfires.

Thank you for your vigorous (albeit biased) defense of your community.

[dejams]

4Sbuyer2002,

If 4S was so great, why the hell sales people from Buie Communities (builder) evacuated during the fire? I went there last couple weeks to check out the model homes and you can see some of the areas got burned pretty close to the new homes. The sales people told me they had to get out because the fire was getting way too close and don’t wanna get caught up in the log jam of trying to get out. I can’t image what the traffic is like for all those cars trying to get out of that area during crisis. Too many homes bunched up together like packed sardines…over populated. I prefer Carmel or carlsbad or cities that close by the coast. With the high Mello Roos in 4S, I am better off buying a more expensive home with small or no MR by the coast. This is a honest opinion with no hidden agenda unlike others..

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