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September 1, 2011 at 2:19 PM #728064September 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM #727581
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ParticipantNote that most Asian immigrants to the US belong to the upper middle class in Asia. For example, if you are a farmer in China, you probably have no mean to come to the US. You are more likely to come to the US if you are a Chinese grad student with rich parents. On the other hand, many South Americans here are lower class citizens in their countries. That said, I believe the confucian culture of Asia encourages education so the children of lower class Asians in the US are still more likely to succeed in education compared to children of lower class Hispanics.
[quote=joec]In Asia, a lot of the kids do college level math, physics so if you just did the norm there, you’ll kick ass in college. I should know considering my ECON roommate knew how to do all my physics work which I struggled with from a lowly rated hs here.[/quote]
September 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM #727665ParticipantNote that most Asian immigrants to the US belong to the upper middle class in Asia. For example, if you are a farmer in China, you probably have no mean to come to the US. You are more likely to come to the US if you are a Chinese grad student with rich parents. On the other hand, many South Americans here are lower class citizens in their countries. That said, I believe the confucian culture of Asia encourages education so the children of lower class Asians in the US are still more likely to succeed in education compared to children of lower class Hispanics.
[quote=joec]In Asia, a lot of the kids do college level math, physics so if you just did the norm there, you’ll kick ass in college. I should know considering my ECON roommate knew how to do all my physics work which I struggled with from a lowly rated hs here.[/quote]
September 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM #728070ParticipantNote that most Asian immigrants to the US belong to the upper middle class in Asia. For example, if you are a farmer in China, you probably have no mean to come to the US. You are more likely to come to the US if you are a Chinese grad student with rich parents. On the other hand, many South Americans here are lower class citizens in their countries. That said, I believe the confucian culture of Asia encourages education so the children of lower class Asians in the US are still more likely to succeed in education compared to children of lower class Hispanics.
[quote=joec]In Asia, a lot of the kids do college level math, physics so if you just did the norm there, you’ll kick ass in college. I should know considering my ECON roommate knew how to do all my physics work which I struggled with from a lowly rated hs here.[/quote]
September 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM #727627sdrealtor
ParticipantBG
You dont know WTF you are talking about. Children arent placed in classes according to their abilities in EVERY school. In fact they arent in ANY school I know. Classes are mixed up to consist of a variety of ability levels in each classroom. The teacher has to teach to the lowest level and the lower that level is the less challenged the higher performers are. It is as simple as that.As for helicopter parents, I cant say what goes on at all schools but at my kids schools there are 2 or 3 parent volunteers assisting the teacher in each class every day until at least 3rd grade. They are helping kids read, grading papers so teachers can focus on teaching, giving spelling tests, running math centers and bringing programs that the district doesnt have the funds to provide like art, music and science programs. These parent volunteers are almost without exception college educated individuals. I say individuals because its not just Mom’s. I make it a point to volunteer in the classroom a few times a year as do many of my friends.
As for the impact of friends, the kids compete with each other, work together on projects both inside and outside of school. My son is currently programming video games with 3 of his friends from school on a daily basis. They are already doing things far beyond what I or their teachers are capable of.
My children will never disappoint me because that is not the way I raise them. My only expectation for them is to do their best and to be happy at whatever they choose. With that said, I will give them every advantage I can to help them achieve their potential.
You simply dont have a clue.
September 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM #727709ParticipantBG
You dont know WTF you are talking about. Children arent placed in classes according to their abilities in EVERY school. In fact they arent in ANY school I know. Classes are mixed up to consist of a variety of ability levels in each classroom. The teacher has to teach to the lowest level and the lower that level is the less challenged the higher performers are. It is as simple as that.As for helicopter parents, I cant say what goes on at all schools but at my kids schools there are 2 or 3 parent volunteers assisting the teacher in each class every day until at least 3rd grade. They are helping kids read, grading papers so teachers can focus on teaching, giving spelling tests, running math centers and bringing programs that the district doesnt have the funds to provide like art, music and science programs. These parent volunteers are almost without exception college educated individuals. I say individuals because its not just Mom’s. I make it a point to volunteer in the classroom a few times a year as do many of my friends.
As for the impact of friends, the kids compete with each other, work together on projects both inside and outside of school. My son is currently programming video games with 3 of his friends from school on a daily basis. They are already doing things far beyond what I or their teachers are capable of.
My children will never disappoint me because that is not the way I raise them. My only expectation for them is to do their best and to be happy at whatever they choose. With that said, I will give them every advantage I can to help them achieve their potential.
You simply dont have a clue.
September 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM #728078ParticipantBG
You dont know WTF you are talking about. Children arent placed in classes according to their abilities in EVERY school. In fact they arent in ANY school I know. Classes are mixed up to consist of a variety of ability levels in each classroom. The teacher has to teach to the lowest level and the lower that level is the less challenged the higher performers are. It is as simple as that.As for helicopter parents, I cant say what goes on at all schools but at my kids schools there are 2 or 3 parent volunteers assisting the teacher in each class every day until at least 3rd grade. They are helping kids read, grading papers so teachers can focus on teaching, giving spelling tests, running math centers and bringing programs that the district doesnt have the funds to provide like art, music and science programs. These parent volunteers are almost without exception college educated individuals. I say individuals because its not just Mom’s. I make it a point to volunteer in the classroom a few times a year as do many of my friends.
As for the impact of friends, the kids compete with each other, work together on projects both inside and outside of school. My son is currently programming video games with 3 of his friends from school on a daily basis. They are already doing things far beyond what I or their teachers are capable of.
My children will never disappoint me because that is not the way I raise them. My only expectation for them is to do their best and to be happy at whatever they choose. With that said, I will give them every advantage I can to help them achieve their potential.
You simply dont have a clue.
September 1, 2011 at 3:47 PM #727637Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=cvmom]Although I think BG is correct about elementary school, once you get up to middle and high school I lean toward sdr’s perspective. That is where the peer group begins to have a huge effect. I see my sister’s kid (just as bright as my kid) just coasting along because he is a smart fish in a small pond in a rural school. Whereas my kid is so much much more motivated because he is running full-speed (academically speaking) to keep up with his peers.[/quote]
Totally agree here, cvmom. However, the MORE “peers” your kid “associates” with (successful or not) the more “distractions” they have (texting/facebook, etc). The focused kid who is a little bit of a loner will probably get the higher GPA, IMHO. There is so much work to do to get through HS these days that I believe the less distracted the kid is, the better. For example, if your kid already HAS 397 online “friends,” why does he/she now need 512, even if these “add-on friends” make good grades or come from “more affluent” families??
How many times can you rescue your kid from an “impromptu afterschool party” at one of the neighborhood “McMansions” before their interim grades determine that they have too much on their plates??
You make a good argument here for just “renting” for 4-6 years if the “coveted, high-scoring” HS you want your kid to go to is surrounded by expensive HOA’s and CFD’s (which have 20-45 yrs of MR left).
Why imprison yourself for life with HOA/exorbitant MR and possibly not even be able to recover your purchase price in the foreseeable future if you can just “borrow” the property only for the few years that you need it for your kid and then move out??
Many newly minted HS graduates are just itching to spread their wings and work and/or attend school in another locale. As a parent, if you “downsize” out of their old “stomping grounds” after your kid(s) graduate from HS, hopefully they won’t later try to come back to “haunt you” as “boomerang kids.”
Of course, this suggestion would not apply if the great-scoring school is not surrounded by expensive HOAs/MRs (such as LJHS – primarily surrounded by older homeowners). In that case, buy property whenever you are able to there and “retire in place.” :=][/quote]
It is amazing how you go on that Mello roos/HOA rant every time. Are you aware that the higest ranked schools fall in areas that have low to no HOA or Mello Roos?
September 1, 2011 at 3:47 PM #727719Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=cvmom]Although I think BG is correct about elementary school, once you get up to middle and high school I lean toward sdr’s perspective. That is where the peer group begins to have a huge effect. I see my sister’s kid (just as bright as my kid) just coasting along because he is a smart fish in a small pond in a rural school. Whereas my kid is so much much more motivated because he is running full-speed (academically speaking) to keep up with his peers.[/quote]
Totally agree here, cvmom. However, the MORE “peers” your kid “associates” with (successful or not) the more “distractions” they have (texting/facebook, etc). The focused kid who is a little bit of a loner will probably get the higher GPA, IMHO. There is so much work to do to get through HS these days that I believe the less distracted the kid is, the better. For example, if your kid already HAS 397 online “friends,” why does he/she now need 512, even if these “add-on friends” make good grades or come from “more affluent” families??
How many times can you rescue your kid from an “impromptu afterschool party” at one of the neighborhood “McMansions” before their interim grades determine that they have too much on their plates??
You make a good argument here for just “renting” for 4-6 years if the “coveted, high-scoring” HS you want your kid to go to is surrounded by expensive HOA’s and CFD’s (which have 20-45 yrs of MR left).
Why imprison yourself for life with HOA/exorbitant MR and possibly not even be able to recover your purchase price in the foreseeable future if you can just “borrow” the property only for the few years that you need it for your kid and then move out??
Many newly minted HS graduates are just itching to spread their wings and work and/or attend school in another locale. As a parent, if you “downsize” out of their old “stomping grounds” after your kid(s) graduate from HS, hopefully they won’t later try to come back to “haunt you” as “boomerang kids.”
Of course, this suggestion would not apply if the great-scoring school is not surrounded by expensive HOAs/MRs (such as LJHS – primarily surrounded by older homeowners). In that case, buy property whenever you are able to there and “retire in place.” :=][/quote]
It is amazing how you go on that Mello roos/HOA rant every time. Are you aware that the higest ranked schools fall in areas that have low to no HOA or Mello Roos?
September 1, 2011 at 3:47 PM #728080Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=cvmom]Although I think BG is correct about elementary school, once you get up to middle and high school I lean toward sdr’s perspective. That is where the peer group begins to have a huge effect. I see my sister’s kid (just as bright as my kid) just coasting along because he is a smart fish in a small pond in a rural school. Whereas my kid is so much much more motivated because he is running full-speed (academically speaking) to keep up with his peers.[/quote]
Totally agree here, cvmom. However, the MORE “peers” your kid “associates” with (successful or not) the more “distractions” they have (texting/facebook, etc). The focused kid who is a little bit of a loner will probably get the higher GPA, IMHO. There is so much work to do to get through HS these days that I believe the less distracted the kid is, the better. For example, if your kid already HAS 397 online “friends,” why does he/she now need 512, even if these “add-on friends” make good grades or come from “more affluent” families??
How many times can you rescue your kid from an “impromptu afterschool party” at one of the neighborhood “McMansions” before their interim grades determine that they have too much on their plates??
You make a good argument here for just “renting” for 4-6 years if the “coveted, high-scoring” HS you want your kid to go to is surrounded by expensive HOA’s and CFD’s (which have 20-45 yrs of MR left).
Why imprison yourself for life with HOA/exorbitant MR and possibly not even be able to recover your purchase price in the foreseeable future if you can just “borrow” the property only for the few years that you need it for your kid and then move out??
Many newly minted HS graduates are just itching to spread their wings and work and/or attend school in another locale. As a parent, if you “downsize” out of their old “stomping grounds” after your kid(s) graduate from HS, hopefully they won’t later try to come back to “haunt you” as “boomerang kids.”
Of course, this suggestion would not apply if the great-scoring school is not surrounded by expensive HOAs/MRs (such as LJHS – primarily surrounded by older homeowners). In that case, buy property whenever you are able to there and “retire in place.” :=][/quote]
It is amazing how you go on that Mello roos/HOA rant every time. Are you aware that the higest ranked schools fall in areas that have low to no HOA or Mello Roos?
September 1, 2011 at 3:55 PM #727642
CoronitaParticipantWell, maybe it’s me, but do you folks think that in general San Diego schools have gotten better? It seems like this. I mean, a lot of the schools seem to be pretty much close across districts. I think it’s pretty impressive, despite all the budgetary cuts.
September 1, 2011 at 3:55 PM #727724CoronitaParticipantWell, maybe it’s me, but do you folks think that in general San Diego schools have gotten better? It seems like this. I mean, a lot of the schools seem to be pretty much close across districts. I think it’s pretty impressive, despite all the budgetary cuts.
September 1, 2011 at 3:55 PM #728081CoronitaParticipantWell, maybe it’s me, but do you folks think that in general San Diego schools have gotten better? It seems like this. I mean, a lot of the schools seem to be pretty much close across districts. I think it’s pretty impressive, despite all the budgetary cuts.
September 1, 2011 at 4:10 PM #727663nla
ParticipantEastern Chula Vista high schools’ scores are not that bad:
Bonita Vista: 851
Asian: 933
Filipino: 902
Hispanic or Latino: 826
White: 883Eastlake: 833
Asian: 915
Filipino: 874
Hispanic or Latino: 807
White: 861Olympian: 845
Asian: 871
Filipino: 902
Hispanic or Latino: 816
White: 862Otay Ranch: 824
Asian: 912
Filipino: 893
Hispanic or Latino: 787
White: 868September 1, 2011 at 4:10 PM #727745ParticipantEastern Chula Vista high schools’ scores are not that bad:
Bonita Vista: 851
Asian: 933
Filipino: 902
Hispanic or Latino: 826
White: 883Eastlake: 833
Asian: 915
Filipino: 874
Hispanic or Latino: 807
White: 861Olympian: 845
Asian: 871
Filipino: 902
Hispanic or Latino: 816
White: 862Otay Ranch: 824
Asian: 912
Filipino: 893
Hispanic or Latino: 787
White: 868 -
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