2010 November Election past….

[PatentGuy]

Aecetia,

If pot were truly legal in California, it would grow everywhere, like a weed (so to speak). Seems unlikely to me to wield the kind of value that would result in increased home invasion robberies. These happen now for the very reason that pot price is high because it is illegal, and therefore an unreported crime.

I agree with you on the Feds v. State dilemma, but the feds learned how to quit enforcing alcohol prohibition after the 21st amendment passed, and they can learn to back off and allow the people of the state to determine whether a weed like pot can be grown in their yards without having their property confiscated by the government to be given to law enforcement agencies as a reward.

Regarding prior propositions being passed only to be struck down in Fed court, there is a difference when the matter involves a state voting to take away a right, versus voting to secure a right. I’m sure you get that difference. If California voted to make slavery legal based on skin color or gender or age or what have you, then I would expect the feds to act, since that would be contrary to the federal constitutional rights of the persons voted to become slaves.

Voting to decriminalize pot does not take away anyone’s federal constitutional right.

The Obama administration may claim that federal law allows the feds to criminalize pot in California based on a bull Shiite commerce clause case from the 1930s (something to the effect of the SCOTUS confirming that congress can regulate my growing wheat in my back yard). OK, and I would expect the current SCOTUS to back them up.

But, it remains to be seen whether Obama will have the political will to invade California over pot plants directly against the expressed wishes of the same voters who helped put him in office. The federal courts will become unable to handle any other matters except trivial pot cases, and will lose the respect of a majority of the CA people in the process, similar to the federal prosecution of the medical pot growers (too many plants or whatever). The feds backed off, not because they acknowledged they did not have the “constitutional authority” to arrest and prosecute people, but because they do not have popular support for doing so, and the fed AGs do not like to be put in such position.

The bottom line is that “society” around the world, not just in CA, is questioning whether to continue to wage this insanely destructive and inhumane war on some drugs, while simultaneous doping ourselves crazy on the “legal” ones.

“Because I said so” has been the policy for 50 years. It is a failed policy.

[Ricechex]

I voted yes on 19 though I do not smoke pot. However, I know someone that grows it and sells it (she is in her late 50’s and both her and spouse have medical marijuana licenses). She is hoping that it passes because she has no health insurance, and can take no business tax deductions (ie: cost for electricity, water, overhead) and she thinks this will help.

Also, for the pot coming from Mexico, wouldn’t it be considered an import then? My guess is they will still want to smuggle it through the border.

[Ricechex]

I voted yes on 19 though I do not smoke pot. However, I know someone that grows it and sells it (she is in her late 50’s and both her and spouse have medical marijuana licenses). She is hoping that it passes because she has no health insurance, and can take no business tax deductions (ie: cost for electricity, water, overhead) and she thinks this will help.

Also, for the pot coming from Mexico, wouldn’t it be considered an import then? My guess is they will still want to smuggle it through the border.

[Ricechex]

I voted yes on 19 though I do not smoke pot. However, I know someone that grows it and sells it (she is in her late 50’s and both her and spouse have medical marijuana licenses). She is hoping that it passes because she has no health insurance, and can take no business tax deductions (ie: cost for electricity, water, overhead) and she thinks this will help.

Also, for the pot coming from Mexico, wouldn’t it be considered an import then? My guess is they will still want to smuggle it through the border.

[Ricechex]

I voted yes on 19 though I do not smoke pot. However, I know someone that grows it and sells it (she is in her late 50’s and both her and spouse have medical marijuana licenses). She is hoping that it passes because she has no health insurance, and can take no business tax deductions (ie: cost for electricity, water, overhead) and she thinks this will help.

Also, for the pot coming from Mexico, wouldn’t it be considered an import then? My guess is they will still want to smuggle it through the border.

[Ricechex]

I voted yes on 19 though I do not smoke pot. However, I know someone that grows it and sells it (she is in her late 50’s and both her and spouse have medical marijuana licenses). She is hoping that it passes because she has no health insurance, and can take no business tax deductions (ie: cost for electricity, water, overhead) and she thinks this will help.

Also, for the pot coming from Mexico, wouldn’t it be considered an import then? My guess is they will still want to smuggle it through the border.

[Aecetia]

I agree Patentguy, but wait until Big Pharma takes over pot and really makes stuff expensive. Then we get the FDA involved and an endless parade of laws, bureaucracies to inspect your pot growing for bugs, pesticides, fertilizers, is it organic enough to be labeled organic. You think any business is easy in this State. Think again. Yes, the drug war failed, but I do not see this law as making things that much better, just that much more complicated for everyone involved. I have doubts about the State. Everything they touch, they ruin. Look at Bazaar del Mundo. That place used to make the State a fortune and they totally screwed that up by leasing it to some other big corporation from out-of-State, that destroyed Old Town, lost money and eventually left the building. All I am saying is be careful what you wish for.

[Aecetia]

I agree Patentguy, but wait until Big Pharma takes over pot and really makes stuff expensive. Then we get the FDA involved and an endless parade of laws, bureaucracies to inspect your pot growing for bugs, pesticides, fertilizers, is it organic enough to be labeled organic. You think any business is easy in this State. Think again. Yes, the drug war failed, but I do not see this law as making things that much better, just that much more complicated for everyone involved. I have doubts about the State. Everything they touch, they ruin. Look at Bazaar del Mundo. That place used to make the State a fortune and they totally screwed that up by leasing it to some other big corporation from out-of-State, that destroyed Old Town, lost money and eventually left the building. All I am saying is be careful what you wish for.

[Aecetia]

I agree Patentguy, but wait until Big Pharma takes over pot and really makes stuff expensive. Then we get the FDA involved and an endless parade of laws, bureaucracies to inspect your pot growing for bugs, pesticides, fertilizers, is it organic enough to be labeled organic. You think any business is easy in this State. Think again. Yes, the drug war failed, but I do not see this law as making things that much better, just that much more complicated for everyone involved. I have doubts about the State. Everything they touch, they ruin. Look at Bazaar del Mundo. That place used to make the State a fortune and they totally screwed that up by leasing it to some other big corporation from out-of-State, that destroyed Old Town, lost money and eventually left the building. All I am saying is be careful what you wish for.

[Aecetia]

I agree Patentguy, but wait until Big Pharma takes over pot and really makes stuff expensive. Then we get the FDA involved and an endless parade of laws, bureaucracies to inspect your pot growing for bugs, pesticides, fertilizers, is it organic enough to be labeled organic. You think any business is easy in this State. Think again. Yes, the drug war failed, but I do not see this law as making things that much better, just that much more complicated for everyone involved. I have doubts about the State. Everything they touch, they ruin. Look at Bazaar del Mundo. That place used to make the State a fortune and they totally screwed that up by leasing it to some other big corporation from out-of-State, that destroyed Old Town, lost money and eventually left the building. All I am saying is be careful what you wish for.

[Aecetia]

I agree Patentguy, but wait until Big Pharma takes over pot and really makes stuff expensive. Then we get the FDA involved and an endless parade of laws, bureaucracies to inspect your pot growing for bugs, pesticides, fertilizers, is it organic enough to be labeled organic. You think any business is easy in this State. Think again. Yes, the drug war failed, but I do not see this law as making things that much better, just that much more complicated for everyone involved. I have doubts about the State. Everything they touch, they ruin. Look at Bazaar del Mundo. That place used to make the State a fortune and they totally screwed that up by leasing it to some other big corporation from out-of-State, that destroyed Old Town, lost money and eventually left the building. All I am saying is be careful what you wish for.

[Aecetia]

“The Teamsters added nearly 40 new members earlier this month by organizing the country’s first group of unionized marijuana growers. Such an arrangement is likely only possible in California, which has the nation’s loosest medical marijuana laws.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/20/medical-marijuana-growers-join-teamsters-union/

[Aecetia]

“The Teamsters added nearly 40 new members earlier this month by organizing the country’s first group of unionized marijuana growers. Such an arrangement is likely only possible in California, which has the nation’s loosest medical marijuana laws.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/20/medical-marijuana-growers-join-teamsters-union/

[Aecetia]

“The Teamsters added nearly 40 new members earlier this month by organizing the country’s first group of unionized marijuana growers. Such an arrangement is likely only possible in California, which has the nation’s loosest medical marijuana laws.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/20/medical-marijuana-growers-join-teamsters-union/

[Aecetia]

“The Teamsters added nearly 40 new members earlier this month by organizing the country’s first group of unionized marijuana growers. Such an arrangement is likely only possible in California, which has the nation’s loosest medical marijuana laws.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/20/medical-marijuana-growers-join-teamsters-union/

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