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I liked Kasich, Bernie, the Doc (but he occasionally perplexed me with his wackiness, but his middle east refugee plan was so good it made me overlook things). I was okay with Christie, Fiorina and Rubio. But still all of them would get my vote in the end if they faced Hillary or Cruz. …Here’s the reason why, none of it is race or gender. I do not like politicians who are overly religious and I do not like those who are on the take.
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You don’t like politicians who are on the take, but you’re ok with Christie, Fiorina, Kasich, Rubio and Carson? They all take campaign funds from donors who expect something in return.
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So here we are, why not Hillary? My guess if it ended up Cruz vs Bernie nobody would accuse me of bias if I supported Bernie, which in that scenario I would. But it irritates me to my very soul that I get attacked because it’s Trump vs. Hillary. That is playing the woman card in the worst sense of card playing.
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Are you saying I’m attacking you? I guess that implying that there’s a possibility that you have a subconscious bias by asking you to ask yourself if you do have a subconscious bias could be considered an attack. But I wouldn’t call it that. And I certainly wouldn’t call it “playing the woman card.” You can call it what you want. What it really is, though, is me trying to find out why you (and millions of others) would vote for a dangerous lunatic when you have a flawed but reasonable alternative. I seek this information because I don’t like being baffled. And it truly baffles me that otherwise reasonable people would vote for Trump.
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I didn’t hear that when I voted for Obama over her (to be honest I think it was a done deal by the time we voted in California but I still never heard it in earlier contests because he is part black). It’s only an issue because Trump is a white guy and that irritates me beyond belief.
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It’s only an issue because Trump is a white guy? Where are you getting that from? Obama isn’t a lunatic. Maybe that’s why you didn’t hear it then.
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The main reason I do not like her is the Clinton foundation and her personal wealth at what I believe is at the expense of the American people.
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What don’t you like about her foundation? She takes money from bad people? So do virtually all politicians. At least, with their foundation, she’s not spending it on her campaigns. Does it suck that she takes money from entities who expect something in return? Sure it does. But I don’t think it really differentiates her from other politicians.
Why do you think her personal wealth is at the expense of the American people?
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10 million from the Saudis and soon after they get an arms sales deal. Money from China, from wall street. I’m okay with it on a certain level but she won’t own it, she chooses to shame others for similar actions. I’m okay with prostitutes, but I’m not okay if they criticize other prostitutes. That’s Hillary.
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Don’t all politicians do that? Don’t virtually all democrats shame republicans for taking money from big business, while most republicans shame democrats for taking money from unions and such?
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Plus she’s a rotten role model for women, one of which I raised. Thankfully the one I raised is a Bernie fan and looks at Hillary like an alien from another planet when she hears the story of Hillary’s marriage.
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And Trump is a better role model for young men? An ignorant, racist, misogynist bully is a better role model for young men than a woman who stuck by a philanderer is for young women? Why does she have to be a good role model but Trump doesn’t?
Why is her marriage any more of a factor than the marriages of Trump and all the other presidents and presidential candidates? It’s ok to cheat on your wife? It’s ok to dump women when they get too wrinkly and get a smoother model? But it’s not ok to put up with cheating? They’re both bad at marriage. As have been many presidents and candidates. Why is it only important in Hillary’s case?
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I wish Bernie hadn’t waited until two days ago to bring up Hillary’s money and the Clinton foundation, then it would be Bernie vs. Trump and we would have some meaningful discussions. Or if it had been Kasich vs. bernie and I could feel everything would be okay. But it’s not, so it’s Trump or its one of the people I dislike the most, male or female and that’s why tomorrow, Trump gets my vote and he will not destroy the world and I’m optimistic that he will improve it. I believe Jack Nicholson said it in a Batman movie, “This town needs an enema.”
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Sure, the system needs a shakeup. But electing Trump president to shake things up is like inviting a bull to rearrange your china shop. Things will certainly be shaken up, but they won’t be better.
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To confuse you more, I am pro abortion, pro moderate gun control (for assault weapons ban, against open carry), pro gay marriage, pro socialized medicine, anti-world police, pro wall at the border, pro better background checks for immigrants from muslim countries, anti sharia law, pro immigration from Mexico, pro deportation of violent or sexual offenders from any country, pro death penalty. I like France’s stance on the Hijab being banned in public schools, you can come here but leave that shit at the door, assimilate or get out. So you cannot put me into a box, I fit no party, I fit no stereotype. I have relatives that are of Arabic and African American decent, including a Muslim relative who I adore. I also think Black Lives Matters does more harm than good for African Americans because they usually defend the very people that prey on their own community. I especially think the anti-trump rioters and protesters are hurting their cause and are being entirely anti free speech. I was also on the other side of the border Saturday giving money to the Haitians, but I still want thorough background checks before they are let in. Charity and sympathy are good, but due diligence is also good. To quote an Arab saying “have trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.”
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If you think that confuses me, you haven’t been paying attention. While I disagree with some of your positions (particularly the wall: I think it’s impractical), I also disagree with many of the positions of the democrats and the republicans. I don’t fit any mold, and I don’t respect the mind of anybody who does. You’ll notice I’m not asking livinincali these questions. I’m asking you.
I’m not saying Hillary is great. I think she shares Obama’s biggest flaw, which has been an inability to stand up to Wall Street. Also, she’s think-skinned, secretive, and doesn’t really have a vision. I also think she’s brilliant, tough, and has tons of stamina. Add all that up, and I think you’d have a decent president, although she wouldn’t be my first choice. My point being, I understand why Hillary might be below other reasonable candidates on a person’s list. But I don’t understand why people hate her so venomously, and I don’t really understand why anybody reasonable would vote for Trump instead of her.
I think the questions I’ve asked are reasonable, legitimate questions, and I’m very curious to hear your answers. Because I do want to understand.
