Shadowfax, I agree with your assessment of the differences between the two groups. The question now is, how do we help these native born? Would penalizing those who made it and throwing more $ at this problem will help fix it? My personal opinion is, no. I’ve seen what hard work and determination can do and have done, so I think all the opportunities are there, whether these native born grab it or not is a whole different story. I can guarantee you that these “poor” native born haven’t really seen poor. I can guarantee you that many people in my native country would trade their lives with the poorest here in the US in a heart beat.