[quote=patb]the problem is Mieses may not have been part of the problem.
his wife claims mieses was trying to calm the crowd down.[/quote]By blocking the Land Rover by standing in front of him and preventing Lien from safely driving down the road?? umm.. that is called illegal detainment and kidnapping, and at least one of the bikers have been charged with it. You obviously have your head up where it don’t shine. The bikers did several aggressive acts to Lien before Lien did anything – look at the video and timeline indicated (earlier posts). This situation has also caused at least one cop, that was riding in the group, to lose their freedom. And if it hasn’t been clear to you from prior acts, cops tend to protect their own. It takes a lot for them to turn one in.
[quote=patb]As i see it, this was a garden variety traffic accident.
then it got a little tense, then lien drove through the crowd.
the mieses guy got run over[/quote]As I see it, you are blind. Did you not notice that none of the bikes are running license plates? That the biker in white with black vest actually drove into Liens lane along the drivers side door followed by cutting in front and braking (swoop and squat). Why would you take the plates off of a registered motorcycle? Why would you intentionally cut in front of another vehicle and hit the brakes.. its all on video.
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If mieses was threatening lien, lien needed to be in “Reasonable fear of bodily harm” the problem is lien was inside a range rover, that was perfectly sound.[/quote]Again, you deserve the moniker of idiot as well as knucklehead. Lien was pulled out of the vehicle, as was his wife further down the road, so obviously being inside the Range Rover was not necessarily perfectly sound. The motorcyclists took several initial act that were illegal to before Lien did anything.
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none of these chuckleheads had broken a window, none of them blown a tire,[/quote]wrong knucklehead. Take a look of the pictures of the Range Rover on the tow truck. No right front tire.. not even any shred of rubber on the rim. This tells you that the right front tire was run for a bit while flat. http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2013/10/04/range-rover-involved-in-highway-melee-is-towed-to-precinct/
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Lien needed to stay where he was, chill out, call 911.
now he’s facing a couple of million in lawsuits, he’s facing
a long messy, career destroying swarm of publicity.
i’m not going to join either side, the cops have arrested the guys who kicked his ass, and the lawyers are suing lien.
i’ll let the system work[/quote]Lien was repeatedly calling 911. You really don’t want to add to your current demonstration of ignorance. You already took a side. You could have kept your trap shut. You can’t make a statement indicating that Lien was wrong, and then say that you are not going to join either side. You already did. Too Late. Yes, Lien may be facing a lawsuit, but I suspect that it may blow up in Gloria’s face. She does not have a high success ratio, except for being able to get her face in the media. Standing in front of the Range Rover and using your body to block it while in the middle of the freeway can be considered aiding in illegal detainment/kidnapping.
