[quote=briansd1][quote=harvey][quote=CA renter]Public employers (or “taxpayers” in your words) do not make any further contributions to the employee’s pension once the employee is retired.[/quote]
[…] in the current fiscal year, ending June 30, CalSTRS is projected to tap $1.9 billion from the general fund.
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Worse, the projection for fiscal 2012-13, which begins July 1, is $3.1 billion going to CalPERS and $1.3 billion to CalSTRS.
Money from the general fund (read: “taxpayer money”) is being transferred to the pension systems TODAY because of shortfalls.
The taxpayers are being forced to make the pension contributions AGAIN.
And of course, how do you explain why Vallejo, San Jose, Stockton and other cities have had to cut services in order to maintain pension payments? It’s because their general funds had to pay for the pension shortfalls.
Thank you for making the point that teachers and firefighters today are being laid off so that retired workers’ pension can be paid.
CA renter even suggested before that if could kick the children of unauthorized migrants out of school, be they citizens or not, we could save money. “Save money” means laying off teachers who are working today.
That’s why I support Prop B to move City of San Diego employees to 401k type pensions. Yes, on B.[/quote]
Yes, by not paying for illegal immigrants and/or their children, we would be laying off teachers, prison guards, police officers, etc., but the ratio of employees-to-citizens would basically stay the same, so services would not suffer. Services to citizens would actually improve because they tend to cost less than services for illegal immigrants.
Either that, or force employers of illegal immigrants to pay the full cost of illegal immigration which would include all physical, legal, and social infrastructure costs; education, healthcare, etc. I’m more ticked off about taxpayers being forced to subsidize the profits of employers who use illegal labor (who then force wages down for everyone else on top of it) than I am about public employees’ pensions.
