[quote=AN]That $550B annual, is that the subsidy that that US government give them?
1. I and many people in my age group don’t apply. I only pay in tier 4 for about a year or two, then I went solar.
2. Telsa Model X is heavier than most cars/trucks. Model S is heavier than most cars. Nissan Leaf is heavier than all the cars in its size. However, regardless of how much damage it make to the road relative to other cars, it still make damage and it’s not paying their fair share to maintain the road.
3. I don’t like either of these type of subsidies.
4. That’s only because EV/Hybrid are a small small % of all cars. What would happen to all the batteries when every car is EV/hybrid? There won’t be enough need to reuse all of those batteries. Then tell me what happen when those battery degrade <30-50%? Which will happen. Do you think it will never be disposed?
5. I totally understand. I'm not arguing that ICE car is cleaner than EV. However, there are many variables. Such as distance driven. My commute is 6 miles one way. My ICE car produce less CO2 than a EV if the owner commute 30 miles one way.
6. Yes, the evidence is everywhere. Just look how many people are lifted out of poverty because of it. Along with the many other benefits. I can't imagine the world w/out airplane, cargo ships, plastic, electricity, etc.
7. Agree. But it doesn't make it any less unfair. Yes, EVs are limited to the rich. Tell me how you're supposed to charge your EV if you live in an old apartment?
Let me put it this way, IMHO, the benefit of fossil fuel up to this point far out weigh the increase in CO2 emission. Of course that doesn't mean we should find way to reduce CO2. I just think when you're dirt poor, having reliable electricity is a BIG deal. I grew up in an area where there wasn't reliable electricity and I feel like many people here don't understand how big of an impact it is because we take reliable electricity for granted.[/quote]
1. You have to look at how long SDGE has had the 4 tier system to jack up the high utilizers to see how much and how long this group has subsidized the rest of the customers.
2. I think you misunderstood when I mentioned trucks, we are talking delivery trucks and up. As for paying fair share, that will come as EV % increases overall. Believe me, politicians will find a way to tax and levy fees.
3. New tech needs time to mature and grow, think solar panels. This is the reason for the renewable subsidies. Why do we still need fossil fuel subsidies? You would think that technology has matured sufficiently to get off the government's dime.
4. Energy storage is going to be absolutely transformative to the entire grid. the need for battery storage will expand so much that even at 30-50% capacity, we will still find old EV batteries to be very useful. As for after that, recycling of batteries is an existing tech and certainly new tech to recycle will exist as well.
5. Again, not looking at individual, but more on a macro level with co2 production per say 100,000 miles driven.
6. Not saying there has not been benefit from fossil fuel. Just that this continued dependency is not possible. Just like sugar and salt are essential for life, but in excess can be very problematic.
7. The government needs to help improve the charging infrastructure.
Eventually the benefit of fossil fuel will tilt. It was fine when just N.America and Europe were using fossil fuel with one person per car. Then you have the BRIC countries, then soon enough all of Africa and rest of the world... It isn't sustainable.
