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lindismith
lindismith
18 years ago

“The vanilla median
“The vanilla median continues to be worse than useless.” Love that!

Great info as usual, Rich.

JWM in SD
JWM in SD
18 years ago

“Or maybe I happened across
“Or maybe I happened across a particularly clueless group of commenters. I don’t know. Either way, people are by and large still laser focused on precisely the wrong thing, using prices (that most lagging of indicators) to justify their forecasts, using a completely inaccurate price indicator to boot, and applying the “it’s different here” argument to certain areas of San Diego without seeming to realize that they applied that very same argument, erroneously, to San Diego as a whole just a couple years ago.”

Rich,

Have you been following the some of the new posters here lately? Because they exhibit a lot of the same cluelessness you’re describing.

johnnyre
johnnyre
18 years ago
Reply to  JWM in SD

I made about $500k in real
I made about $500k in real estate up in sacramento, but will loose about $40 on my last spec. cashed out the summer of 2004. Moved back to So. Cal to RENT. I cant wait for my $200k home purchase in Carlsbad in a few years…..lol

CarlsbadMtnBiker
CarlsbadMtnBiker
18 years ago
Reply to  johnnyre

Good thing you can’t wait
Good thing you can’t wait there johnny cause you would be waiting a long time. Better get back up to Sactown soon and get you a repo in the Sactown ghetto district.

Carlsbad is not going to give you any prospects at that level.

johnnyre
johnnyre
18 years ago

Well for your sake I hope
Well for your sake I hope you are right. But NOT. Can you explain to me how everyone in Carlsbad can pay for their $6-$700k mortgages? You can’t. Well other then the fake loans they have. What do we have just Professional Athletes living there? Huh? Doctors? Lawyers? Whats the average income in Carlsbad? What $60k? lol keep dreaming and hoping for your equity to come back. I’ll just keep waiting…….for the realistic prices of 200-250k it was only a few years ago this was true. Keep peddling mntbiker
Regards
Stupid Idiot Renter

JWM in SD
JWM in SD
18 years ago
Reply to  johnnyre

“Well for your sake I hope
“Well for your sake I hope you are right. But NOT. Can you explain to me how everyone in Carlsbad can pay for their $6-$700k mortgages? You can’t. Well other then the fake loans they have. What do we have just Professional Athletes living there? Huh? Doctors? Lawyers? Whats the average income in Carlsbad? What $60k? lol keep dreaming and hoping for your equity to come back. I’ll just keep waiting…….for the realistic prices of 200-250k it was only a few years ago this was true. Keep peddling mntbiker”

Whoa, nice job johnny.

johnnyre
johnnyre
18 years ago
Reply to  JWM in SD

Speaking of the Ghetto
Speaking of the Ghetto district of Sactown….why not check this gem out, this is one of San Diego’s finest opportunties in the “Bubble” Hey it is still less than $500k.
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-076066162-1530_Kenalan_Dr_San_Diego_CA_92154
Hurry this will go fast!
Love
Stupid Idiot Renter

LostCat
LostCat
18 years ago
Reply to  johnnyre

johnnyre,
Not a bad place

johnnyre,

Not a bad place down in Nestor. Man, I can fit my grandma and grandpa, with my four kids in one room, then me, my wife, her brother in the second room, and we can still have more room for my brother, his wife, and their 4-kids in the third room. If our cousins ever want to stay the night or for a week or two, they can stay in the TV room. All that space for only $430K. we can split that cost up, no problem.The backyard also looks idea for growing veggies.

johnnyre
johnnyre
18 years ago
Reply to  LostCat

I think it would be a great
I think it would be a great investment for a “Coyote” (illegal alien smuggler) It would make a great drop-off house, unless it already is……

CarlsbadMtnBiker
CarlsbadMtnBiker
18 years ago
Reply to  johnnyre

To: Stupid Idiot Renter,
To: Stupid Idiot Renter, (don’t be so hard on yourself, by the way)

We actually have all of the above living here, I have 2 out of the 3 on my street, but do you really think the average mortgage is $700K…us SD natives and long term transplants (10+ yrs) have been around for awhile and there are many like me. You and Johnny Walker M. think about it and you will find your answer there.., at least for my hometown.

Peddling away always …

johnnyre
johnnyre
18 years ago

Thats the point, try to sell
Thats the point, try to sell to a NEW transplant. With 20% down and a conventional loan. It will not happen. I was in sac for 15 years, i am a SD native, i left during the last housing bust, back in 1989-1990. You and your buddies keep staring like the deer in the headlights watching your paper profits erode…………….(false wealth)
Love
Stupid Idiot Renter

CarlsbadMtnBiker
CarlsbadMtnBiker
18 years ago
Reply to  johnnyre

“Thats the point, try to
“Thats the point, try to sell to a NEW transplant. With 20% down and a conventional loan. It will not happen. I was in sac for 15 years, i am a SD native, i left during the last housing bust, back in 1989-1990. You and your buddies keep staring like the deer in the headlights watching your paper profits erode…………….(false wealth)
Love
Stupid Idiot Renter”

bummer, should have stayed and you would have been with me brotha.

anyway, who’s selling >> me and my buddies are not. North county coastal is heaven and I just hate for you to think you are getting into the 92008, 09, 10 anytime soon for $200K. Rent the place in Nestor.

Bought and held baby …. stay the course .. love the surf. Life is great ! Man, Sac gets hot in the summer.. but you gotta luv Tahoe.

johnnyre
johnnyre
18 years ago

Sure i could have stayed but
Sure i could have stayed but had to work. Sac. sux i could not stand it but like i said i made bank. I’m liquid about 300k i would be retarded to buy now. I bought and held and SOLD. I guess i was lucky to catch the market at the right time. 2-3 years Carlsbad 250k for a nice home. No knock on Cbad, you could use Encinitas for all i care…………www.patrick.net

Duck
Duck
18 years ago
Reply to  johnnyre

Let me know when a nice home
Let me know when a nice home in Carlsbad goes for $250k. I’ll take four.

johnnyre
johnnyre
18 years ago
Reply to  Duck

OK, the Summer of 2009-2010
OK, the Summer of 2009-2010 there will plenty of inventory

johnnyre
johnnyre
18 years ago
Reply to  Duck

why wait? Why not purchase 1
why wait? Why not purchase 1 house at $1 million. today, (250 / 4)
Put down 200k and ride a $8k a month payment……….

Bugs
Bugs
18 years ago
Reply to  johnnyre

$200,000 might be a little
$200,000 might be a little too optimistic for Carlsbad. Then again, maybe not. There were 20 sales of detached homes for less than $250,000 in 2000. I didn’t look any of them up but I assume they were mostly down in the barrio area over by the Seniors Center.

If interest rates make 10% by 2010 the combination of events might make for a $200,000 purchase in Carlsbad. I wouldn’t say it could never happen but I wouldn’t be betting the farm on that one.

Carlsbad is definitely no sanctuary – there is already foreclosure activity in town and there is already significant and noticable price erosion in most of the neighborhoods.

I’m not knocking Carlsbad – I’ve lived here since 1990. I’d never call it heaven, though.

CarlsbadMtnBiker
CarlsbadMtnBiker
18 years ago
Reply to  Bugs

I take that bet all day long
I take that bet all day long Bugs …although the laws of risk vs. reward would prohibit me from getting much return. Nobody in their right mind would take the other side of that one.

Here is as good link for ya just in case you missed the recent post from the duckman.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=805

Bugs
Bugs
18 years ago

Mate, you don’t get it.
Mate, you don’t get it. Simple demand, which is what the poll refers to, is meaningless. Effective demand is where it’s at. That’s where people put their money where their mouths are. “Their money”, as in not other people’s money, which is what has resulted in these price distortions.

Right now we have population outmigration from the region, and the population that’s leaving aren’t the illegals and homeless. It’s the people who would normally have the means to get ahead if they lived in any other economy.

You’re running a variation of the “it won’t happen here because everyone wants to live here” argument which is a great way to show your pride, but it doesn’t square with the facts on the ground. Not only are people moving out, but prices are dropping, and that includes your neighborhood, too. We have foreclosures in Carlsbad, we have ARM abuse in Carlsbad and we have a glut of homes in Carlsbad that includes some REOs.

It’s all connected, and Carlsbad may not suffer as much as Vista but by the time its all over the difference in correction won’t even be 10%.

Bro.

babbleon
babbleon
18 years ago
Reply to  Bugs

Great blog.
I have been

Great blog.

I have been sitting on the sidelines for the dot-com bubble (was a student) and the housing bubble. I’ve just been working my 9-to-5 and saving as much as possible.

My question is:

Where is the next bubble going to be?

I’m not an expert, but I know enough to know there’s going to be one.

SD Realtor
SD Realtor
18 years ago
Reply to  Bugs

Here is the lookup I did on
Here is the lookup I did on the MLS for 92009.

Total escrows closed from 1/1/00-1/1/01 = 759
Average price = 472,197
Min price = 210,000
Max price – 2.2M

Average sized home was 2584 square feet.

So it looks like you are both right. (at least for 92009)

So, if prices do fall to the 2000 price levels, then you will live in a 1200 sq ft 2 bedroom home for the low to mid 200’s. If you want a larger home then you will pay more.

I am just posting what the old MLS says.

SD Realtor