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May 17, 2007 at 12:46 PM #9108May 18, 2007 at 9:33 AM #53545
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Participantwhy not just buy The WilderHill Clean Energy Index ETF ticker is PBW. It is both time and tax efficient…
May 18, 2007 at 9:33 AM #53554Participantwhy not just buy The WilderHill Clean Energy Index ETF ticker is PBW. It is both time and tax efficient…
May 18, 2007 at 9:48 AM #53555meadandale
ParticipantThe problem, as I see it, is that there are alot of small players in that fund. Most are only a few percentage points of the fund. Just because they are in the top ten in holding, doesn’t mean that they are going to have the best gains for the fund. For instance, suppose the top ten all are represented at 3% or greater in the fund. It could be that one that is sitting at 0.5-2.0% is significantly outperforming any of those above 3%.
Remember, stocks constituting a fund at higher percentages tends to be a growth stocks, not a value stocks They provide stability at the expense of explosive growth. The riskier stocks in the fund are represented at lower percentages due to their risk but their returns MAY eclipse the conservative picks.
If you are putting this investment in the category of ‘speculative’, I’d just do some research on this sector and try and find some potential winners regardless of the percentage that they are represented in this fund.
A 1.2% fee is not EXCESSIVE (although I tend to avoid funds much above this level like the plague) but the load is. There is absolutely no reason ever to pay a load.
FWIW, my core portfolio tends to be in index funds with no load and VERY low fees (0.10% in many cases). If you’ve read any Bogle, he spends alot of time beating this point home–a fund has to significantly beat the market to just break even with high fees.
May 18, 2007 at 9:48 AM #53564ParticipantThe problem, as I see it, is that there are alot of small players in that fund. Most are only a few percentage points of the fund. Just because they are in the top ten in holding, doesn’t mean that they are going to have the best gains for the fund. For instance, suppose the top ten all are represented at 3% or greater in the fund. It could be that one that is sitting at 0.5-2.0% is significantly outperforming any of those above 3%.
Remember, stocks constituting a fund at higher percentages tends to be a growth stocks, not a value stocks They provide stability at the expense of explosive growth. The riskier stocks in the fund are represented at lower percentages due to their risk but their returns MAY eclipse the conservative picks.
If you are putting this investment in the category of ‘speculative’, I’d just do some research on this sector and try and find some potential winners regardless of the percentage that they are represented in this fund.
A 1.2% fee is not EXCESSIVE (although I tend to avoid funds much above this level like the plague) but the load is. There is absolutely no reason ever to pay a load.
FWIW, my core portfolio tends to be in index funds with no load and VERY low fees (0.10% in many cases). If you’ve read any Bogle, he spends alot of time beating this point home–a fund has to significantly beat the market to just break even with high fees.
May 18, 2007 at 10:58 AM #53565HereWeGo
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Actually, if you go to money.msn.com, you can get the top 25 holdings of a fund. I wouldn’t try to match, but it’s nice to have the extra bit of research before buying.May 18, 2007 at 10:58 AM #53574Participantbean-
Actually, if you go to money.msn.com, you can get the top 25 holdings of a fund. I wouldn’t try to match, but it’s nice to have the extra bit of research before buying.May 18, 2007 at 12:10 PM #53589beanmaestro
ParticipantNALFX is nice enough to actually list all of the components, but with ~$20k it doesn’t make sense to buy more than 4 or 5.
I’d stayed away from the Wilder ETF because I had read that it invests in a lot of feel-good startup companies that don’t really go anywhere, rather than high-volume blue-collar producers.
May 18, 2007 at 12:10 PM #53598ParticipantNALFX is nice enough to actually list all of the components, but with ~$20k it doesn’t make sense to buy more than 4 or 5.
I’d stayed away from the Wilder ETF because I had read that it invests in a lot of feel-good startup companies that don’t really go anywhere, rather than high-volume blue-collar producers.
May 18, 2007 at 12:38 PM #53603ParticipantIf you’re willing to take on risk and throw in another 5K, you could head over to Direxion. Those fellas are AGGRESSIVE.
May 18, 2007 at 12:38 PM #53612ParticipantIf you’re willing to take on risk and throw in another 5K, you could head over to Direxion. Those fellas are AGGRESSIVE.
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