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John S.
1 year ago

Yep, it is shocking to me how well the labor market has held up in the face of rising interest rates. But, money supply is still contracting (eight months straight, now), which points to further increases in interest rates and slowing business activity, including labor demand.
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/credit-crunch-money-supply-has-shrunk-eight-months-row

It is good to see the Petrodollar being dethroned. The Petrodollar led to asset inflation, deindustrialization, warmongering, government growing like Topsy, etc. I look forward to the end of the U.S. Empire.

And, I look forward to the return to sanity, such as reasonable associations between home prices and household income here in San Diego, so young folks can afford to buy a house, again.

gzz
gzz
1 year ago
Reply to  John S.

Rising rates don’t matter for labor markets as much when business is increasingly capital light, and inflation expectations are such a business can project 4%+ price increases as an average base case.

For the declining share the economy with capital heavy businesses, rising rates also means less competition. For example, investment in the oil and gas sector is quite low despite very high profits. Similar for mining.

sdrealtor
1 year ago

I’ll give you one SD specific rationale. Ive been following inventory closely over at CR. Prices are going up more elsewhere because they were much lower and affordability much higher in those places. People dont like the higher prices in mid America but plenty can still afford them.

The inventory declines here in SoCal and in Bay Area have been more significant than other places. Low inventory is keeping us able to tread water in spite of lack of affordability that exists elsewhere. So in short, we are able to maintain pricing due to lower inventory where as other places still have room for slightly higher pricing that we dont

JPJones
1 year ago

Thanks for the update! Still plodding along. I’ll be cheering if we get a soft landing. It’ll be a while before the labor market cools off and catches up. Unemployment went down again last month(3.5%}, job creation was healthy(187k), and there is still a glut of job openings with a shortage of workers. Seems like we may be close to a sweet spot. 🤞

Jmw2
1 year ago

I’m cheering for higher wages to open doors for younger buyers. A coworker is moving back to the Bay Area because for same rent cost they can get a better house up there compared to SD. Makes me think rents will decrease much sooner than prices will recede.

doriti
doriti
1 year ago

The resilience of the labor market is not a surprise given the rapidly aging population and greater barriers to migration (both trends hugely accelerated by covid). As the boomers have left the workforce they are also sitting on $75 trillion of assets which they are spending primarily on services and healthcare. Fiscal policy largely dictated by this same voting demographic will continue the spending binge. So there will be no respite from high rates anytime soon; the story that inflation is cooling is largely due to base effects and when core CPI settles at 4% the Fed will eventually have to scrap their 2% target. In the face of this prolonged high rate environment, SD house prices will chug along at below trend growth for a year or two; effectively waiting for wages to catch up a bit before resuming the ridiculousness.

gzz
gzz
1 year ago

Here’s a mid america anecdote for you.

In a market in a non-metropolitan upper midwest county of 40k with a slightly growing population and average incomes, SFH prices rose from about 60/sf to 100/sf between early 2020 and now. New construction is ~170/sf. Inventory is even tighter than here.

Even tighter than the sale market is the rental market. In the same 3 years basic one bedrooms without covered parking have gone from 500 to 900. It’s just crazy to see middle of nowhere places with San Diego 2012 rental prices.

The WFH trend is eveywhere. In small towns, it hits for example local/state gov employees, insurance agents, mortgage brokers, and high income professionals like lawyers and accountants and their admin staff.

When you are home all day you don’t just need home office space, you need more space period since you’re there more overall. And you need a ton more space with two people working from home since conference calls and zooms can be really loud and annoying when you’re trying to work on your own projects.

gzz
gzz
1 year ago

I am about to close on a 5-bedroom 3-bathroom 2700sf home.

Total price of $194,300 reflects the fact I am paying cash, so getting it 7% below list in a hot local market. Same as here really: prices high but currently on a breather, inventory well under half of normal.

Someplace a lot colder than St George. There is a free public outdoor skate rink 2 blocks away.

The price also reflects that the upstairs bathroom has no shower, only a clawfoot tub. So this will be needed ASAP.

https://www.vintagetub.com/showers/clawfoot-shower-enclosure-sets.html

I wish I could figure out the difference between the $300 and $900 and $1500 versions. Plastic versus brass? They look basically identical online.

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