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March 12, 2007 at 10:33 AM #8575March 12, 2007 at 10:52 AM #47425(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant
How much water can we save by everyone putting in those Phoenix type front yards ?
I remember about 10-12 years ago there were a lot of green-painted gravel front yards in certain parts of town. Maybe those will come back into vogue ?
March 12, 2007 at 11:09 AM #47428Chance the GardenerParticipantOffshore Nuclear Power/Desalination plants… that’s the answer. We can store the waste in the empty Lake Meade.
March 12, 2007 at 11:14 AM #47430BugsParticipantIt doesn’t matter how much we can conserve; human beings depend on water even more than the U.S. economy depends on energy. More people will mean more water consumption. Eventually our population will outstrip the capacity of our fresh water sources. No doubt we’ll get there faster as a result of the efforts our conservation friends are expending on behalf of the frogs and fairy shrimp.
When the economics of the situation justify the expense to do so I have no doubt that the technology and capactity of desalinization will expand to cover the gap. We might have to pay 5 times as much for our water but we’ll continue to have water here for as long as there is an ocean. That is, unless our conservation friends can convince us that the oceans will evaporate, too.
Who knows? Maybe water production will become for San Diego County what oil is for Saudi Arabia.
March 12, 2007 at 12:44 PM #47441PerryChaseParticipantI think that climate appropriate landscaping is beautiful. It takes more design to achieve an attractive look. I’ve been trying to convince my dad for years to do something more appropriate in his yard. But he likes the tropical plants.
March 12, 2007 at 1:03 PM #47444CAwiremanParticipantLost Cat, you hit the nail on the head. Cali isn’t much without a gushing water supply. A few good links:
Cadillac Desert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_DesertSummary:
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~martins/hydro/case_studies/cadillac_desert.htmThe book is a longish, but detailed read. Hats off the the late Marc Reisner for researching and writing the book.
A local individual, Jim Bell, advocates a large investment in solar. And, he also suggests a solar powered desalination plant or plants – with energy being the the most cost portion of a facility, as I’ve been lead to understand, once built. The solar source would allow it to be more affordable at an earlier time.
March 12, 2007 at 1:12 PM #47447no_such_realityParticipantOffshore Nuclear Power/Desalination plants… that’s the answer. We can store the waste in the empty Lake Meade.
That’s a lot of power.
San Diego’s water need alone will require 20,000 MW supply.
Lob on OC, LA, Riverside and San Bernardino and you basically exceed CAL-ISO grid peak-power capabilities.
Of course, that’s without considering the impacts on the environment of desalinating 6,000,000 Acre feet of ocean off our coast every year.
March 12, 2007 at 2:12 PM #47452Chance the GardenerParticipantWow… that is a lot of power, and a lot of water. We should probably start learning how to conserve too. One way might be to stop growing rice in California. How is that a good idea. Rather than send money to Indonesia… why don’t we just let them grow all of the rice. Or, alternatively, we should grow rice where we have more water. This should be extended to any crop that demands extreme amounts of water. It just doesn’t make any sense. I know California has good dirt, but that’s only one part of the equation.
March 12, 2007 at 3:19 PM #47459kewpParticipantHow about a 100% water tax? Use the revenue to fund desalination initiatives.
Might encourage more folks to install low-flow shower heads and toilets.
March 12, 2007 at 3:55 PM #47461waiting hawkParticipant“How about a 100% water tax? Use the revenue to fund desalination initiatives.
Might encourage more folks to install low-flow shower heads and toilets”
That’s a great idea
March 12, 2007 at 4:17 PM #47466LostCatParticipantSo maybe this is a really good time to introduce the expanded use of the hydro car. It will help it rain if all 19 million So Cal residence start driving them.
But this topic brings up a good point. The next nice big economic push. The Enviornment. Now that stocks are gone, housing is long gone, Bio will always treat and never cure, the only thing left is to make things enviornmentally safe..
March 12, 2007 at 4:19 PM #47467gold_dredger_phdParticipantHere comes the secular religion again. Environmentalism replaces communism as the “ideology” of the left. No wonder you have so many journalists engaged in eco-boosterism. Children will be forced to convert to the “Church of the Warming Globe” as a condition of graduation.
My prediction is that global warming will result in massive famines, refugees from Mexico over-running lush golf courses and polo fields of southern California and we’ll be prohibited from using the flush toilets. Later, as the warming continues, crops will fail and those that cannot live on sand and sea water will be forced into cannabilism.
I would love it if we could just have gravel front yards. But the neighbors, especially in rich, snooty neighborhoods, would sue those who don’t have “a yard that blends well with the community.” I can’t wait for peoples’ water bills to reach $200 per month. More refugees would flee the “Golden State” for cheaper abodes.
Not everyone can live in California and this water crisis will insure that not everyone *will* live in California. Time to depopulate the state by driving up the cost of living even more.
March 12, 2007 at 4:21 PM #47470no_such_realityParticipantChildren will be forced to convert to the “Church of the Warming Globe” as a condition of graduation
Is that like the mandatory volunteer community service requirement being bandied around for graduation?
March 12, 2007 at 5:32 PM #47480sdcellarParticipantHow about a 100% water tax? Use the revenue to fund desalination initiatives.
Yes, taxes, very efficient mechanism. So you’re the guy who votes for these kinds of things…
March 12, 2007 at 6:18 PM #47485DCRogersParticipant(Folks, folks, let’s keep this friendly…)
If you believe, as I do, in the risks of climate change, then we are indeed on the cutting edge… we’re not going to flood, like Bangladesh, but we rely on the Sierra snowpack to store our water for summer. It’s a big deal; without it, the snow that falls (even if the amount doesn’t change) just rushes to the sea in a near-immediate snowmelt, so the current situation is worth a few hundred dams.
Lest you think I’m just another panic-spreading liberal, here’s some red meat for the other side: many of our water problems would be immediately addressed if we just made water a fully free-market, tradable, commodity. We’d allocate it efficiently to the most economically useful use. Of course, farms growing alfalfa in the desert with government subsidies don’t like that idea… (but the Bass brothers do… they’ve been buying up Imperial Valley farms, waiting for the day they can sell off the water rights and turn the land back into desert).
Desalination?? Har har har… and perhaps Chinese investors will buy those BBB- MBS bonds and propel more no-doc clients into their first $700K homes… (whoops I forgot my own advice to play nice… better go now…)
DCR
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