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December 17, 2015 at 9:44 AM #21816December 17, 2015 at 11:28 AM #792638
The-Shoveler
ParticipantUnnamed relative, seemed unhappy until they started collecting SS at 65, then they seemed much happier (the last 10 years now and going)
So Collecting SS = happiness as far as I can tell.
December 17, 2015 at 1:00 PM #792640scaredyclassic
ParticipantHappiness is at its lowest in middle age, increases in old age, psych research says.
December 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM #792641ParticipantI bet SS has something to do with that LOL.
December 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM #792642ltsddd
Participantthat makes sense. For most people middle age is when you realized that your youth and the energy and optimism that come with it are gone. In their place are achy body and spirit, along with the stress and pressure of the daily grind. And to top it off, most realized whatever they have accomplished is probably of little significance. It’s probably no different than that stage 4 (depression) of the 5 stages of grief. Once they hit that “old” age, they probably realized there’s not much they can do with little time left and decided to just kick it (stage 5 – acceptance).
December 17, 2015 at 1:58 PM #792645FlyerInHi
GuestWhat a timely topic.
The other day, I was talking to someone and was accused of judging people on money. I was talking to someone about someone else. I said “he should have married Cindy because she was nice and from a rich family. It’s too bad because he ended up later with someone else who is just OK in comparison.” Sometimes people pass on a good opportunity and never find better, so they settle for less. Thinking about what could have been is one source of regret and unhappiness.
My experience is that people who say they don’t care about money actually do care a lot, but not directly. They care about social standing. But that’s what sophisticated people do.
The source of unhappiness is comparing yourself against others who have more. If you do that, it’s your damn fault.
December 17, 2015 at 2:11 PM #792647Participant[quote=ltsdd]that makes sense. For most people middle age is when you realized that your youth and the energy and optimism that come with it are gone. In their place are achy body and spirit, along with the stress and pressure of the daily grind. And to top it off, most realized whatever they have accomplished is probably of little significance. It’s probably no different than that stage 4 (depression) of the 5 stages of grief. Once they hit that “old” age, they probably realized there’s not much they can do with little time left and decided to just kick it (stage 5 – acceptance).[/quote]
Need to get to stage 5 quicker.
December 17, 2015 at 2:30 PM #792650GuestEconomists don’t care about anything but money. They say it’s the best measure of success.
Social scientists argue that we relate to our peers. It’s not money, but our standing in relation to our peers. So regardless of how rich a society gets, happiness pretty much remains constant over time.
But you can’t get away from money. If your income grows 2% faster than that your peers, after 30 years, you have roughly double the wealth. That affects happiness because the people who didn’t grow are suddenly at the bottom.
December 17, 2015 at 5:48 PM #792654moneymaker
ParticipantWhen I had less money I didn’t really think about it, but now that I have more I find I probably think about money too much. I don’t think it’s cause effect just slowly realizing that it is important to have some.
December 17, 2015 at 6:29 PM #792656Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]What a timely topic.
The other day, I was talking to someone and was accused of judging people on money. I was talking to someone about someone else. I said “he should have married Cindy because she was nice and from a rich family. It’s too bad because he ended up later with someone else who is just OK in comparison.” Sometimes people pass on a good opportunity and never find better, so they settle for less. Thinking about what could have been is one source of regret and unhappiness.
My experience is that people who say they don’t care about money actually do care a lot, but not directly. They care about social standing. But that’s what sophisticated people do.
The source of unhappiness is comparing yourself against others who have more. If you do that, it’s your damn fault.[/quote]
It’s fair to say humans only exist in relation to other humans.
It is unreasonable to expect us not to compare
December 17, 2015 at 9:43 PM #792662flyer
ParticipantPersonally, I think not having to worry about finances as early in life as possible is a good thing. There is less stress in knowing that phase of life is taken care of for yourself and for your family, and it provides a lot of freedom in the way you live your life.
Although that scenario does provide greater peace of mind, it may or may not provide happiness. Imo, money may be a component of happiness–but it’s not the source. That lies far deeper in the human psyche, and is different for each person.
December 18, 2015 at 4:49 AM #792663Anonymous
Guest[quote=FlyerInHi]Economists don’t care about anything but money. They say it’s the best measure of success.[/quote]
Economists do not study money, they study behavior.
December 18, 2015 at 7:33 AM #792666Participant[quote=flyer]Personally, I think not having to worry about finances as early in life as possible is a good thing. There is less stress in knowing that phase of life is taken care of for yourself and for your family, and it provides a lot of freedom in the way you live your life.
Although that scenario does provide greater peace of mind, it may or may not provide happiness. Imo, money may be a component of happiness–but it’s not the source. That lies far deeper in the human psyche, and is different for each person.[/quote]
Not having to worry about money is a good thing, of course but perhaps it’s not always related to how much money is in ones pile.
What is money other thanconsumption and possible deferred consumption or investing with sn eye toward potentially even greater possible deferred consumption?
Maybe I should start a new clothing line called LILIES OF THE VALLEY consisting of Monk like robes. That could pay off BIG TIME.
December 18, 2015 at 9:36 AM #792668NotCranky
ParticipantYou will always do better with gilded lilies. We must be special.
December 18, 2015 at 9:49 AM #792669Doofrat
ParticipantI’d say this Johnny Cash quote is appropriate:
Success is having to worry about every damn thing in the world, except money. -
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