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July 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM #20719July 28, 2013 at 8:25 PM #763854kev374Participant
All reports indicate a very strong economic recovery with strong job and income growth. This has been fueling the strong 30% increase in home prices just within the last year. The expert economists are saying that prices will rise albeit more slowly at a rate of 10% a year for a couple more years before tapering off at a more modest 5% a year.
At the forecasted rate I predict a median price of $1 million in Orange County with San Diego county perhaps a bit below that 🙂
This poverty stuff is hogwash…it just isn’t reality for most people who are doing really well. People with rising home prices are spending, some are even taking out home equity and spending.
Right now if you are not doing very well it’s your own fault.
July 28, 2013 at 8:36 PM #763855spdrunParticipantWhat 30% increase in home prices? Certainly not on a national-average level, and only in places where speculation has been rampant and prices are historically very volatile (read: CA coastal cities, Phoenix, and maybe Vegas).
“This poverty stuff is hogwash…it just isn’t reality for most people who are doing really well.” Tautology much? Gotcha, must be trollin’ trollin’ trollin’.
July 29, 2013 at 7:05 AM #763858SD RealtorParticipantLike I said, sounds like things are great.
We need more well informed citizens like yourself.
July 29, 2013 at 8:10 AM #763860EconProfParticipantThe article is hard to plod through because it is a grab-bag of unrelated statistics, faulty reasoning, and jumping to conclusions with inadequate evidence.
The main sentence which seems to be resonating is the following:“Higher recent rates of unemployment mean the lifetime risk of experiencing economic insecurity now runs even higher: 79%, or 4 in 5 adults, by the time they turn 60.”
This sloppy sentence reminds me of how my weakest students, and often worst writers, were journalism majors. (The best: engineers)
First, recent unemployment rates have been falling, not rising. Yes, there are huge measurement problems, and other well-known employment measures that are worsening, but these are not mentioned by the author. Second, how does the author so precisely conclude that 79% of adults will be “experiencing economic insecurity” by the time they reach 60? Where, by the way, is “economic insecurity” even defined? And finally, what is so bad about feeling some economic insecurity in the four decades of living and working up to age 60? Economic insecurity just might teach one how to budget and plan, educate oneself properly, move to where the jobs are, and improve one’s employability…kind of the American way. Lots of successful people, including us Piggs, had rough patches and bad luck and took the tough measures to overcome them.July 29, 2013 at 8:48 AM #763861(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=EconProf]
“Higher recent rates of unemployment mean the lifetime risk of experiencing economic insecurity now runs even higher: 79%, or 4 in 5 adults, by the time they turn 60.”
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This means that 21% of folks reach the age of 60 without having experienced any economic insecurity.
I am amazed that this number is that high.
We should more heavily tax that priveledged 21%.
July 29, 2013 at 9:39 AM #763863sdduuuudeParticipant[quote=EconProf]The article is hard to plod through because it is a grab-bag of unrelated statistics, faulty reasoning, and jumping to conclusions with inadequate evidence.[/quote]
I agree. A fairly worthless article, all told.
July 29, 2013 at 12:20 PM #763865SD RealtorParticipantI guess we all have different perceptions how the rest of the country is doing. I have spent the majority of the summer on travel. Lots of time in Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina and a few other midwest states. Lots of other people don’t share the same optimism, nor share the same wealth that the average Pigg poster has. Regardless of whether the article was well written or not, it does reflect much more of the state of many of my tenants that rent in my out of state properties. Just barely getting by.
July 29, 2013 at 1:00 PM #763866no_such_realityParticipantSD R, that’s because California is young, dumb and single. They’re too stupid to realize either how poor they are or how close to the edge they are.
32% of our population is under 24.
47% is under 34.
50% are currently single
with 1/3rd being never married.Living five to a sh*thole at the beach and partying is the life.
Or they’re just working and haven’t gotten their first kick to the crotch.
July 29, 2013 at 1:15 PM #763867SD RealtorParticipantYeah I understand that. Cannot argue with it. I am in that older crusty demo. It is funny because drive out to El Centro or up to Stockton and other places and it is just as bad as other areas around the country. I would be willing to bet the vast majority of piggs here are where they are at because of family. Not the silver spoon family, but middle class families that helped with opportunity. That is they had hard working parents that scrapped buy but were able to help them move forward in life. They saw that there was a very real possibility that their children could achieve a better life then they could. They then made the most of it by going to school, getting a job and working hard. Seems as if there are alot of people that don’t recognize that this middle class family is rapidly diminishing. It may still exist for them in sunny San Diego where they can go out and purchase a 600k home but for the majority of the rest of the country, the middle class family that could work hard and could envision a better life for their kids is rapidly going going gone.
July 29, 2013 at 3:35 PM #763868flyerParticipantInteresting comments. Having traveled a great deal also, you definitely realize and appreciate that your lifestyle (especially in San Diego) is an exception to the rule, and is something which should not be taken for granted.
I’ve always felt that it’s a lot easier to make a fortune than to sustain a fortune over a lifetime.
Throughout my life, I’ve known many people who have made loads of money, only to find themselves in a very different situation in their 50’s and 60’s+. Places like San Diego can eat people alive, financially, if they aren’t careful.
July 29, 2013 at 9:47 PM #763870CA renterParticipant[quote=no_such_reality]SD R, that’s because California is young, dumb and single. They’re too stupid to realize either how poor they are or how close to the edge they are.
32% of our population is under 24.
47% is under 34.
50% are currently single
with 1/3rd being never married.Living five to a sh*thole at the beach and partying is the life.
Or they’re just working and haven’t gotten their first kick to the crotch.[/quote]
Great post. Could not agree more (assuming your stats are correct…I haven’t verified).
July 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM #763875The-ShovelerParticipantI am still predicting wage riots in the next few years.
Anyway in NY they’re back at it.In much the same vein, a union-backed, New York-based community action group is trying for the third time since November to more than double the minimum wage of workers in the fast food industry via one-day walkouts they’ve organized in seven cities.
As my co-host Jeff Macke and I discuss in the attached video, in addition to their demand to earn a living wage, the group Fast Food Forward is, once again, also calling for better benefits, more hours and, unsurprisingly, the right to unionize.July 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM #763878spdrunParticipantCouldn’t have happened to a nicer industry. Hope they drive the fast-fooders out of NYC and into the fucking suburbs where they belong. Too many Slobways opened up anyway… It wouldn’t hurt to see say 50% of chains in Manhattan bankrupt.
The rest can afford to pay a living wage if people still want to eat their dreck.
July 30, 2013 at 10:56 AM #763879SD RealtorParticipantwhy just fast food? what about 7/11 clerks? what about the guy who sits in the little booth at the gas station? what about all the walmart workers? Or the guy who mows the lawns? Really anyone that has a job that a 15 year old can do?
That is what we are saying correct?
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