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July 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM #763880July 30, 2013 at 12:12 PM #763881
spdrun
ParticipantSDR – imagine that, the Fed’s inflation machine actually going to guaranteeing people a living wage instead of pumping up stocks or housing
The-Shoveler – if you can have robots doing work that laborers used to, that’s a GOOD thing. You might be able to bring prices of domestic manufacturing down to the point that it’s competitive with China, while still paying the robot mechanics, QC people, designers, programmers, builders of robots, etc a living wage.
Better robots on US soil than 50-cent-per-hour bio-robots in China or Vietnam. Stop fighting automation. Embrace it. It’s what made the US economy what it was from about 1880 to 1960, and it’s a shame that union obstructionists are fighting it tooth and nail, when they could embrace change and realize that DIFFERENT jobs don’t necessarily mean NO jobs.
July 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM #763882The-Shoveler
ParticipantNot fighting anything, not saying Automation is bad.
Just saying things are going to change and not everyone can work at QCOM who lives in SD.
The whole Idea of robots is to cut labor and you only need so many hopper loaders.
Society is going to take a while to adjust.
July 30, 2013 at 12:26 PM #763883SD Realtor
ParticipantAt some point the numbers break down.
I don’t think that there is an equation that says
Europe = Correct
There is no natural quality of life guarantee. Those complaining about working at McDonalds can strive to improve their life. They can also thank the lord they were not born in some impoverished 3rd world country.
The reward for a job should not be based on the age of the person doing the job, it should be based on the quality of the work. Otherwise we would be paying people 50 bucks an hour to put a license plate frame on cars on an assembly line…something a chimp can do…
oh wait…
July 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM #763884ParticipantNot saying Europe is correct, just they have been at this game a little longer than we have.
July 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM #763885ParticipantThe whole Idea of robots is to cut labor and you only need so many hopper loaders.
Shoveler: My argument is that the automation of manufacturing, etc has already happened. It’s just done by bio-robots in China and call-center employees in India.
Replace the bio-robots with actual robots in the US at a similar manufacturing + shipping cost, and manufacturing could actually come back to US shores en masse. It would be cleaner, safer, better quality, and most importantly, employ Americans at high productivity levels.
July 30, 2013 at 12:41 PM #763886Participant[quote=spdrun]
The whole Idea of robots is to cut labor and you only need so many hopper loaders.
Shoveler: My argument is that the automation of manufacturing, etc has already happened. It’s just done by bio-robots in China and call-center employees in India.
Replace the bio-robots with actual robots in the US at a similar manufacturing + shipping cost, and manufacturing could actually come back to US shores en masse. It would be cleaner, safer, better quality, and most importantly, employ Americans at high productivity levels.[/quote]
Yep, Just a lot less people needed to get the same work done. (maybe 1 of 10, or 1 of 20).
this Automation thing is still just getting started. (just took it’s first baby steps, you have not seen anything yet).
July 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM #763887ParticipantGiven the choice between automation and offshoring, I’ll generally go for the former, since it keeps SOME jobs here and/or creates them if we manufacture for export. Problem is that unions seem to have made the wrong choice here. They’ve burnt down the house to kill the rat.
July 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM #763889Anonymous
GuestIllegal immigrants are more than happy to take our minimum wage service jobs. Why are Americans so entitled that they can’t survive on this wage? Oh that’s right, it would be cruel and unusual punishment to ask for an American to live without a new car, Iphone, Plasma TV or Xbox.
July 30, 2013 at 2:43 PM #763890ParticipantI guess the question is,
Do you want a larger and larger part of your population to live like that and a smaller and smaller middle class (as seems to be the trend).
July 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM #763891Participant$7.25/hr = about $14000/yr before taxes = $1166/mo. Let’s assume that you somehow pay no tax…
Room = $600/mo min in NYC
Health insurance = $200/mo minimum
That leaves $366/mo for everything else?You try living/eating/commuting on $12.20/day in the US.
July 30, 2013 at 2:49 PM #763892livinincali
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]Not saying it is correct (or incorrect)
Just saying it’s going to happen.
In Europe they have a tiered system,
High school/college age get a lower minimum
25 years gets a living wage.
You got robots doing what used to be $25-50 dollar an hour work. People need to live, guess what they revolt.
Like I said, not saying it’s right, just inevitable[/quote]
What exactly is a living wage. I hear this statement a lot but very little when it comes to defining what it means. I can probably successfully house, feed and cloth somebody for less than $20/day. Those seem to be the bare minimum to live. What other expenses are required to “live”
July 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM #763893no_such_reality
ParticipantLiving wage is generally defined as an amount needed to cover a 1 bedroom apartment rent with 1/3rd of the gross income. Expenses in area are generally in line with local rents.
July 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM #763894Guest[quote=spdrun]$7.25/hr = about $14000/yr before taxes = $1166/mo. Let’s assume that you somehow pay no tax…
Room = $600/mo min in NYC
Health insurance = $200/mo minimum
That leaves $366/mo for everything else?You try living/eating/commuting on $12.20/day in the US.[/quote]
Well apparently there are thousands (millions?) of people living in NYC at those wages, how are they surviving? If you are a young person with no dependents and roommates to cut rent costs it should not be that hard. If you are an adult head of a household and you can’t find a better job than fast food then you need to consider moving to a cheaper city. You also shouldn’t have had kids if you can’t afford it but that’s a different subject.
July 30, 2013 at 3:01 PM #763895NotCranky
ParticipantSeemed like the theme was , “crackers are having it bad too”.
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