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June 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM #19856June 7, 2012 at 7:42 AM #745215
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ParticipantMaybe you could enjoy it with a cigarette while sipping a raw milk…you can take the left overs home in a plastic bag.
June 7, 2012 at 7:47 AM #745216sdrealtor
ParticipantActually Sauterne and foil gras are one of the classic food and wine pairings in the world. If you have never had it you are missing out on something amazing
June 7, 2012 at 8:51 AM #745219briansd1
GuestNot a big loss as far as I’m concerned. I think that foie gras can still be made under humane conditions but it’ll cost much more.
I prefer pâté de campagne.
June 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM #745223an
Participant[quote=briansd1]Not a big loss as far as I’m concerned. I think that foie gras can still be made under humane conditions but it’ll cost much more.
I prefer pâté de campagne.[/quote]
There’s nothing human about killing the animal. If you’re not a vegan, then you’re being inhumane in the treatment of the animals that were killed to feed you.pâté and foie gras are both good, but what does pâté have anything to do with the banning of foie gras? So, it’s ok ban certain food because most people don’t eat it?
June 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM #745229enron_by_the_sea
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There’s nothing human about killing the animal. If you’re not a vegan, then you’re being inhumane in the treatment of the animals that were killed to feed you.[/quote]
Good one!
The recurring debate over giving one extra sq. foot to chickens on the farm cracks me up. If you are going to eat them at the end of the day, how does it matter?
June 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM #745232SK in CV
Participant[quote=briansd1]Not a big loss as far as I’m concerned. I think that foie gras can still be made under humane conditions but it’ll cost much more.
I prefer pâté de campagne.[/quote]
There’s a more humane way to force feed a duck? Using a clean rubber hose instead of a dirty metal pipe doesn’t seem to make it any more humane.
I’m kind of agnostic about this whole thing. I eat meat, but my kids don’t. I think it’s only marginally more humane to eat a cow that’s been shot in the head, than a duck that’s been force fed before slaughtering. I don’t really like to think about that process for either one. Though I’ve never had foie gras. I suspect it’s pretty tasty.
June 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM #745231GuestAN, foie gras is made by force feeding the geese to unnaturally increase the size and fatten the liver.
We don’t need to force feed to make foie gras. We can use other sources of fat of the animal to add to the foie (liver), or process more liver to get the same amount of foie gras. That would increase the cost of the product, but does not eliminate a gastronomic option. I’m not in favor of banning foie gras; but I’m in favor of regulating how it’s made.
I make pate myself at home. It’s not that hard. I can control what goes in there, but without preservatives it does not last that long.
Pate is mostly fat, the smoother and buttery it is the fatter is is…. not healthy for you. The pate I make is more chunky pate de campagne (country pate).
June 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM #745233Anonymous
Guest[quote=enron_by_the_sea]The recurring debate over giving one extra sq. foot to chickens on the farm cracks me up. If you are going to eat them at the end of the day, how does it matter?[/quote]
Just about everyone’s ethical stance regarding animal treatment has contradictions. Why are dogs and cats subject to different rules than animals bred for food? It’s ok to be cruel to something you are going to kill, but you have to be nice to something you aren’t going to kill? The list goes on…
The vegans probably have the most logically consistent framework, but I like lamb and veal way too much to go that route.
June 7, 2012 at 10:35 AM #745235GuestHere’s an easy pate recipe.
I don’t buy it when people say they have to eat packaged junk food because they don’t have time to cook. With some knowledge and creativity, you can make a healthy meal in 1/2 hour.
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/liver-pate/
You can also bake the pate into a cake form and slice it. Bacon fat can be added to make it more buttery.June 7, 2012 at 10:57 AM #745236Guest[quote=enron_by_the_sea]
The recurring debate over giving one extra sq. foot to chickens on the farm cracks me up. If you are going to eat them at the end of the day, how does it matter?[/quote]
If you visit the French countryside, you’ll see that their agriculture is much more humane and sustainable than our big agri-businesses. There are plenty of free-range chicken farms and pasture where cows walk around. In France, you can stop at small village all over the country and buy artisanal products. The products are fresh, flavorful and healthy. In America, when you visit the country, you see Walmart stores.
On the issue of foie gras, even the French are conflicted. Force feeding geese might be a tradition, but it’s not compatible with our modern view of the world. It’s time to change.
enron_by_the_sea, it’s not just about 1 extra sq for chicken. It’s about responsible farming. Do you really want to eat chicken pumped with antibiotic and hormones; chickens that are sick with such fragile bones they barely stand up?
June 7, 2012 at 11:12 AM #745240desmond
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=enron_by_the_sea]
The recurring debate over giving one extra sq. foot to chickens on the farm cracks me up. If you are going to eat them at the end of the day, how does it matter?[/quote]
If you visit the French countryside, you’ll see that their agriculture is much more humane and sustainable than our big agri-businesses. There are plenty of free-range chicken farms and pasture where cows walk around. In France, you can stop at small village all over the country and buy artisanal products. The products are fresh, flavorful and healthy. In America, when you visit the country, you see Walmart stores.
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Here’s a slaughter house in your beloved France:
http://observers.france24.com/content/20090924-france-charal-slaughterhouse-animal-rights-l214-meat
Does not look that great to me?
If you travel to the small farming towns in the USA you can find the same thing as in France not just a Walmart store. But what would I know actually owning a small farm with livestock?
June 7, 2012 at 11:21 AM #745242Participant[quote=briansd1]
enron_by_the_sea, it’s not just about 1 extra sq for chicken. It’s about responsible farming. Do you really want to eat chicken pumped with antibiotic and hormones; chickens that are sick with such fragile bones they barely stand up?[/quote]
I very rarely eat animals and I can totally understand the health aspect of this arrangement for humans. However I don’t get why this arrangement would be that much better for the chicken …
June 7, 2012 at 12:26 PM #745246GuestA free-range chicken is a happy chicken. He’s
better off than a chicken cooped up in a cage.Neither chicken know that they eventually become meals.
June 7, 2012 at 12:34 PM #745247Participant[quote=briansd1]A free-range chicken is a happy chicken. He’s
better off than a chicken cooped up in a cage.Neither chicken know that they eventually become meals.[/quote]
Unless you have a “chicken brain” you really do not know that either….
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