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  • July 15, 2011 at 1:11 PM #18943
    Coronita
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    What a nutjob

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/14/california.secession/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    Riverside, California (CNN) — A conservative county supervisor in Southern California wants to form the 51st state by seceding the region from California, saying the state’s problems require “radical” solutions.

    “Listen, I knew I’d be criticized. I learned in my tenure of being a politician for 19 years, sometimes you have to do radical things to get people’s attention,” Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone said on CNN Thursday.

    “We have hit a nerve with citizens who are just fed up with business as usual in the state,” Stone said. “I’m talking about a secession plan from the state of California.”

    This week, the Riverside County Board of Supervisors gave the OK to Stone to hold a summit of California’s local leaders to discuss remedies for the state’s long list of woes — including secession.

    But the county board stopped short of endorsing Stone’s secessionist plan by insisting no taxpayer money be used for the conference.

    Stone has come up with a name for the new state: South California. It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. The plan would exclude Los Angeles County, but would include Orange and San Diego Counties, both on the coast.

    Stone has a long list of grievances against the state and its legislators: high taxes and fees, inability to reform welfare programs, high unemployment and excessive regulations.

    “What the state has done is they’ve been balancing their budgets on the backs of our local coffers. They’ve been stealing our sales tax, property tax,” Stone said. “The bottom line for me and my constituents is jobs. We are sending jobs out of the state of California by the train load.”

    Riverside County is among the hardest hit communities by the recession and mortgage meltdown, leaving many communities pockmarked with vacant homes, Stone said.

    “We are the foreclosure capital of the world,” Stone asserted. “We have some areas of the county that have 25% unemployment. The average in Riverside County is about 15%.”

    Stone’s plan seems a long shot, one analyst said. There have been at least 27 efforts for secession within parts of California since the 1800s, and none has been successful.

    Robert Melsh, a political science instructor at Mount San Jacinto College in San Jacinto, California, which is in Riverside County, said Stone’s plan stunned him, largely because of the high cost of putting a secessionist plan before voters. He called it a “scare tactic.”

    “Insanity,” Melsh said. “I mean this is major surgery where we need a Band-Aid.

    “It takes millions of dollars to get the signatures necessary to put up an initiative,” Melsh added.

    Melsh also raised the question of getting a 51st state’s government up and running.

    “Where is he going to put the capitol? Disneyland?” Melsh said.

    Stone, a pharmacist and owner of an innovative compounding pharmacy, said he drew the lines for a new state by picking 13 counties that were contiguous and fiscally conservative or moderate.

    A date for the summit of local leaders has yet to be scheduled, he said.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:44 PM #709863
    briansd1
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    [quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166]

    July 15, 2011 at 1:44 PM #709959
    briansd1
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    [quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166]

    July 15, 2011 at 1:44 PM #710559
    briansd1
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    [quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166]

    July 15, 2011 at 1:44 PM #710713
    briansd1
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    [quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166]

    July 15, 2011 at 1:44 PM #711072
    briansd1
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    [quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166]

    July 15, 2011 at 1:46 PM #709868
    meadandale
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    [quote=briansd1][quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166][/quote]

    Funny…I don’t think most fly over states are ‘poor’, just ‘hard working’. I’ll take country folk any day over the inner city.

    Only in Amerika do ‘poor people’ have flat screen tv’s and SUV’s and are so over fed that there is an obesity crisis.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:46 PM #709964
    meadandale
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    [quote=briansd1][quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166][/quote]

    Funny…I don’t think most fly over states are ‘poor’, just ‘hard working’. I’ll take country folk any day over the inner city.

    Only in Amerika do ‘poor people’ have flat screen tv’s and SUV’s and are so over fed that there is an obesity crisis.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:46 PM #710564
    meadandale
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    [quote=briansd1][quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166][/quote]

    Funny…I don’t think most fly over states are ‘poor’, just ‘hard working’. I’ll take country folk any day over the inner city.

    Only in Amerika do ‘poor people’ have flat screen tv’s and SUV’s and are so over fed that there is an obesity crisis.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:46 PM #710718
    meadandale
    Participant

    [quote=briansd1][quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166][/quote]

    Funny…I don’t think most fly over states are ‘poor’, just ‘hard working’. I’ll take country folk any day over the inner city.

    Only in Amerika do ‘poor people’ have flat screen tv’s and SUV’s and are so over fed that there is an obesity crisis.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:46 PM #711077
    meadandale
    Participant

    [quote=briansd1][quote=flu] It would be composed of 13 largely Republican counties, most of which are inland along the Nevada and Arizona state lines. [/quote]

    I wonder why Republican areas are generally the poorest areas of the country.

    Orange County, a prosperous county has been increasing turning blue since the defeat of Bob Dornan. Orange County would be a blue county if it weren’t for the 1/2 million Vietnamese immigrants who are largely poor, on welfare, but vote Republican out of anti-communism.

    In 2008, Orange County was about 38,000 votes short of turning blue.
    [img_assist|nid=15126|title=election map|desc=source NYTimes|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=166][/quote]

    Funny…I don’t think most fly over states are ‘poor’, just ‘hard working’. I’ll take country folk any day over the inner city.

    Only in Amerika do ‘poor people’ have flat screen tv’s and SUV’s and are so over fed that there is an obesity crisis.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:51 PM #709873
    ocrenter
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    LA Times had the same article on the 11th:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-south-california-20110711,0,2846870.story

    “It’s a supremely ridiculous waste of everybody’s time,” said spokesman Gil Duran. “If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there’s a place called Arizona.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:51 PM #709969
    ocrenter
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    LA Times had the same article on the 11th:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-south-california-20110711,0,2846870.story

    “It’s a supremely ridiculous waste of everybody’s time,” said spokesman Gil Duran. “If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there’s a place called Arizona.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:51 PM #710569
    ocrenter
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    LA Times had the same article on the 11th:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-south-california-20110711,0,2846870.story

    “It’s a supremely ridiculous waste of everybody’s time,” said spokesman Gil Duran. “If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there’s a place called Arizona.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:51 PM #710723
    ocrenter
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    LA Times had the same article on the 11th:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-south-california-20110711,0,2846870.story

    “It’s a supremely ridiculous waste of everybody’s time,” said spokesman Gil Duran. “If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there’s a place called Arizona.

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