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January 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM #11580January 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM #139954
davelj
ParticipantThese are all good questions and I hope someone has some good answers for you. I ain’t no tax perfeshnul, but I believe items (a) and (b) are Canadian tax issues while item (c) is a U.S. tax issue.
I believe that once you terminate your permanent resident status and pay all taxes due for that tax year to the U.S., you revert back to Canadian tax laws for whatever happens after that.
I know that if you’re a U.S. Citizen with a net worth over $500K and you give up your U.S. Citizenship and move to any country designated as a “tax haven” by the U.S. government, the IRS will assume that you’re doing this to avoid payment of income taxes and will force you to pay regular income taxes for the 10 years following your move to the tax haven. The standard presumption of innocence does not apply – that is, the IRS will assume that you have moved to the tax haven in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes unless you can prove otherwise (which, apparently, is extremely difficult). So, when people say, “Well, if you don’t like the U.S. Tax System, why don’t you just move?” – you can respond, “If only it were that easy.” In essence, you gotta pay to leave. Anyhow, that’s a bit off topic, but I think interesting nonetheless.
Hopefully you’ll get some answers from someone who actually knows something about this topic.
January 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM #140264davelj
ParticipantThese are all good questions and I hope someone has some good answers for you. I ain’t no tax perfeshnul, but I believe items (a) and (b) are Canadian tax issues while item (c) is a U.S. tax issue.
I believe that once you terminate your permanent resident status and pay all taxes due for that tax year to the U.S., you revert back to Canadian tax laws for whatever happens after that.
I know that if you’re a U.S. Citizen with a net worth over $500K and you give up your U.S. Citizenship and move to any country designated as a “tax haven” by the U.S. government, the IRS will assume that you’re doing this to avoid payment of income taxes and will force you to pay regular income taxes for the 10 years following your move to the tax haven. The standard presumption of innocence does not apply – that is, the IRS will assume that you have moved to the tax haven in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes unless you can prove otherwise (which, apparently, is extremely difficult). So, when people say, “Well, if you don’t like the U.S. Tax System, why don’t you just move?” – you can respond, “If only it were that easy.” In essence, you gotta pay to leave. Anyhow, that’s a bit off topic, but I think interesting nonetheless.
Hopefully you’ll get some answers from someone who actually knows something about this topic.
January 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM #140168davelj
ParticipantThese are all good questions and I hope someone has some good answers for you. I ain’t no tax perfeshnul, but I believe items (a) and (b) are Canadian tax issues while item (c) is a U.S. tax issue.
I believe that once you terminate your permanent resident status and pay all taxes due for that tax year to the U.S., you revert back to Canadian tax laws for whatever happens after that.
I know that if you’re a U.S. Citizen with a net worth over $500K and you give up your U.S. Citizenship and move to any country designated as a “tax haven” by the U.S. government, the IRS will assume that you’re doing this to avoid payment of income taxes and will force you to pay regular income taxes for the 10 years following your move to the tax haven. The standard presumption of innocence does not apply – that is, the IRS will assume that you have moved to the tax haven in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes unless you can prove otherwise (which, apparently, is extremely difficult). So, when people say, “Well, if you don’t like the U.S. Tax System, why don’t you just move?” – you can respond, “If only it were that easy.” In essence, you gotta pay to leave. Anyhow, that’s a bit off topic, but I think interesting nonetheless.
Hopefully you’ll get some answers from someone who actually knows something about this topic.
January 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM #140190davelj
ParticipantThese are all good questions and I hope someone has some good answers for you. I ain’t no tax perfeshnul, but I believe items (a) and (b) are Canadian tax issues while item (c) is a U.S. tax issue.
I believe that once you terminate your permanent resident status and pay all taxes due for that tax year to the U.S., you revert back to Canadian tax laws for whatever happens after that.
I know that if you’re a U.S. Citizen with a net worth over $500K and you give up your U.S. Citizenship and move to any country designated as a “tax haven” by the U.S. government, the IRS will assume that you’re doing this to avoid payment of income taxes and will force you to pay regular income taxes for the 10 years following your move to the tax haven. The standard presumption of innocence does not apply – that is, the IRS will assume that you have moved to the tax haven in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes unless you can prove otherwise (which, apparently, is extremely difficult). So, when people say, “Well, if you don’t like the U.S. Tax System, why don’t you just move?” – you can respond, “If only it were that easy.” In essence, you gotta pay to leave. Anyhow, that’s a bit off topic, but I think interesting nonetheless.
Hopefully you’ll get some answers from someone who actually knows something about this topic.
January 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM #140216davelj
ParticipantThese are all good questions and I hope someone has some good answers for you. I ain’t no tax perfeshnul, but I believe items (a) and (b) are Canadian tax issues while item (c) is a U.S. tax issue.
I believe that once you terminate your permanent resident status and pay all taxes due for that tax year to the U.S., you revert back to Canadian tax laws for whatever happens after that.
I know that if you’re a U.S. Citizen with a net worth over $500K and you give up your U.S. Citizenship and move to any country designated as a “tax haven” by the U.S. government, the IRS will assume that you’re doing this to avoid payment of income taxes and will force you to pay regular income taxes for the 10 years following your move to the tax haven. The standard presumption of innocence does not apply – that is, the IRS will assume that you have moved to the tax haven in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes unless you can prove otherwise (which, apparently, is extremely difficult). So, when people say, “Well, if you don’t like the U.S. Tax System, why don’t you just move?” – you can respond, “If only it were that easy.” In essence, you gotta pay to leave. Anyhow, that’s a bit off topic, but I think interesting nonetheless.
Hopefully you’ll get some answers from someone who actually knows something about this topic.
January 21, 2008 at 3:43 PM #140220ice9
ParticipantThat is interesting about the IRS going after former citizens for 10 years if they believe the move was for tax reasons. I hope that doesn’t apply to permanent residents. π
I’m pretty sure that Canada doesn’t tax world-wide income like the USA. So, if for all intents and purposes I’m a Canadian living in Panama, income from interest/dividends/capital gains should be tax free. Since Panama/Uruguay specifically exempt income earned outside the country from tax. Canada doesn’t even try to get in on that action.
The IRA withdrawls are questionable. I could always cash it out, eat the 10% penalty and pay the US before I go. I still have decades before I can actually start taking it out penalty-free. Or, if the US is only going to tax that (and not anything else like interest/dividends) the lower US tax brackets aren’t so bad.
January 21, 2008 at 3:43 PM #140294ice9
ParticipantThat is interesting about the IRS going after former citizens for 10 years if they believe the move was for tax reasons. I hope that doesn’t apply to permanent residents. π
I’m pretty sure that Canada doesn’t tax world-wide income like the USA. So, if for all intents and purposes I’m a Canadian living in Panama, income from interest/dividends/capital gains should be tax free. Since Panama/Uruguay specifically exempt income earned outside the country from tax. Canada doesn’t even try to get in on that action.
The IRA withdrawls are questionable. I could always cash it out, eat the 10% penalty and pay the US before I go. I still have decades before I can actually start taking it out penalty-free. Or, if the US is only going to tax that (and not anything else like interest/dividends) the lower US tax brackets aren’t so bad.
January 21, 2008 at 3:43 PM #140246ice9
ParticipantThat is interesting about the IRS going after former citizens for 10 years if they believe the move was for tax reasons. I hope that doesn’t apply to permanent residents. π
I’m pretty sure that Canada doesn’t tax world-wide income like the USA. So, if for all intents and purposes I’m a Canadian living in Panama, income from interest/dividends/capital gains should be tax free. Since Panama/Uruguay specifically exempt income earned outside the country from tax. Canada doesn’t even try to get in on that action.
The IRA withdrawls are questionable. I could always cash it out, eat the 10% penalty and pay the US before I go. I still have decades before I can actually start taking it out penalty-free. Or, if the US is only going to tax that (and not anything else like interest/dividends) the lower US tax brackets aren’t so bad.
January 21, 2008 at 3:43 PM #140198ice9
ParticipantThat is interesting about the IRS going after former citizens for 10 years if they believe the move was for tax reasons. I hope that doesn’t apply to permanent residents. π
I’m pretty sure that Canada doesn’t tax world-wide income like the USA. So, if for all intents and purposes I’m a Canadian living in Panama, income from interest/dividends/capital gains should be tax free. Since Panama/Uruguay specifically exempt income earned outside the country from tax. Canada doesn’t even try to get in on that action.
The IRA withdrawls are questionable. I could always cash it out, eat the 10% penalty and pay the US before I go. I still have decades before I can actually start taking it out penalty-free. Or, if the US is only going to tax that (and not anything else like interest/dividends) the lower US tax brackets aren’t so bad.
January 21, 2008 at 3:43 PM #139982ice9
ParticipantThat is interesting about the IRS going after former citizens for 10 years if they believe the move was for tax reasons. I hope that doesn’t apply to permanent residents. π
I’m pretty sure that Canada doesn’t tax world-wide income like the USA. So, if for all intents and purposes I’m a Canadian living in Panama, income from interest/dividends/capital gains should be tax free. Since Panama/Uruguay specifically exempt income earned outside the country from tax. Canada doesn’t even try to get in on that action.
The IRA withdrawls are questionable. I could always cash it out, eat the 10% penalty and pay the US before I go. I still have decades before I can actually start taking it out penalty-free. Or, if the US is only going to tax that (and not anything else like interest/dividends) the lower US tax brackets aren’t so bad.
January 21, 2008 at 4:59 PM #140238Arty
ParticipantIt is almost impossible to renounce your US citizenship that’s the problem. However, I think it is far more relaxing for green card holders.
Go see the following in Wiki for quick reference about US citizenships:
Perez vs. Brownell
Afroyim v. Rusk (over-turned Perez vs. Brownell)
Vance v. Terrazas (introduce preponderance of evidence which make it kind of hard to get rid of US citizenships).
Three ruling by the United States Supreme Courts.
January 21, 2008 at 4:59 PM #140260Arty
ParticipantIt is almost impossible to renounce your US citizenship that’s the problem. However, I think it is far more relaxing for green card holders.
Go see the following in Wiki for quick reference about US citizenships:
Perez vs. Brownell
Afroyim v. Rusk (over-turned Perez vs. Brownell)
Vance v. Terrazas (introduce preponderance of evidence which make it kind of hard to get rid of US citizenships).
Three ruling by the United States Supreme Courts.
January 21, 2008 at 4:59 PM #140286Arty
ParticipantIt is almost impossible to renounce your US citizenship that’s the problem. However, I think it is far more relaxing for green card holders.
Go see the following in Wiki for quick reference about US citizenships:
Perez vs. Brownell
Afroyim v. Rusk (over-turned Perez vs. Brownell)
Vance v. Terrazas (introduce preponderance of evidence which make it kind of hard to get rid of US citizenships).
Three ruling by the United States Supreme Courts.
January 21, 2008 at 4:59 PM #140021Arty
ParticipantIt is almost impossible to renounce your US citizenship that’s the problem. However, I think it is far more relaxing for green card holders.
Go see the following in Wiki for quick reference about US citizenships:
Perez vs. Brownell
Afroyim v. Rusk (over-turned Perez vs. Brownell)
Vance v. Terrazas (introduce preponderance of evidence which make it kind of hard to get rid of US citizenships).
Three ruling by the United States Supreme Courts.
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