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September 4, 2007 at 5:50 AM #10163September 4, 2007 at 6:59 AM #83247JWM in SDParticipant
That is pretty brave using your real name.
Oh, and that comment about fraud not being significant…maybe in Iowa but not SoCal…It was and is SOP around here.
September 4, 2007 at 8:21 AM #83255NotCrankyParticipantHow Many mortgage brokers just promised the exploding ARM client that they could refinance in 2 years VS. how many counseled them on credit repair and the fact that even credit repair and modest wage increases would not save them from being upside down and a liquidity crunch? Sorry Jon but it sounds like you are saying…”if they only would have listened to me my clients wouldn’t have gotten hurt”.Well maybe where you live but as JWM said, “not around here”. In too many cases the only thing that would have worked around here, for the marginal buyer, would be to tell them it was a stupid time to buy or get a loan for that matter.
September 4, 2007 at 10:11 AM #83271SHILOHParticipantYou might be able to tell some people, ‘it’s a stupid time to buy or get a loan,’ but many people would still not listen. They would just get caught up in the hysteria of home buying and not understand the affordability issues, fearful that they would ‘miss their chance’ to own.
September 4, 2007 at 10:32 AM #83275JWM in SDParticipant“…but many people would still not listen. ”
Yes, and the recent posters coming here and asking about whether they should be buying right now are perfect examples of that.
Fools and their money……..
September 4, 2007 at 10:38 AM #83277NotCrankyParticipantYou might be able to tell some people, ‘it’s a stupid time to buy or get a loan,’
Shiloh , I am very aware of this. The only real way to avoid helping some people do stupid things was to refuse to participate. Advising credit counseling be undertaken,after signing DOCS on a nutso cuckoo loan,during bubble mania doesn’t make much sense.
September 4, 2007 at 3:18 PM #83327bsrsharmaParticipantFurther evidence of liquidity crunch deep inside the system. There was another news item today about Freddie Mac being unable to hawk its warez. Being GSE is no longer Slam Dunk.
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Sense of growing crisis over interbank deals
By Gillian TettPublished: September 4 2007 21:34 | Last updated: September 4 2007 21:34
As bankers have returned to their desks this week after the summer break, they have been searching frantically for signs that the markets are gaining a semblance of calm after the August turmoil.
However, the money markets are notably failing to offer any reassurance. While the tone of equity markets has calmed, the sense of crisis in the interbank markets actually appears to be growing – especially in London.
In particular, the cost of borrowing funds in the three-month money markets – as illustrated by measures such as sterling Libor or Euribor – is continuing to rise, suggesting a frantic scramble for liquidity among financial groups.
This trend is deeply unnerving for policymakers and investors alike, not least because it is occurring even though the European Central Bank and the US Federal Reserve have taken repeated steps in recent weeks to calm down the money markets.
“What is happening right now suggests that the moves by the Fed and ECB just haven’t worked as we hoped,” admits one senior international policymaker.
Or as UniCredit analysts say: “The interbank lending business has broken down almost completely . . . it is a global phenonema and not restricted to just the euro and dollar markets.”
If this situation continues, it could potentially have very serious implications.
One of the most important functions of the money markets is to channel liquidity in the banking system to where it is most needed.
If these markets seize up for any lengthy period, there is a risk that individual institutions may discover they no longer have access to the funds they need.
This danger has already materialised for vehicles that depend on the asset-backed commercial paper sector – short-term notes backed by collateral such as mortgages.
In recent weeks, investors have increasingly refused to re-invest in this paper.
As Axel Weber, a member of the ECB council, admitted this weekend: “The institutions most affected currently are conduits and structured investment vehicles . . . Their ability to roll these short-term commercial papers is impaired by the events in the subprime segment of the US housing market.”
This problem is affecting the wider banking system because these vehicles are now tapping other sources of finance – mainly liquidity lines from banks.
It appears that the prospect of receiving new liquidity demands has prompted banks to rush to raise funds – and, above all, hoard any liquidity they hold.
The high demand from banks to secure liquidity for the next three months, coupled with their desire not to lend out what liquidity they have, has made it virtually impossible to execute trades – even at the official prices quoted for such borrowing.
That has created some extraordinary dislocations such as the fact that the cost of borrowing three-month money in the sterling Libor markets is now higher than borrowing six-month or 12-month money. “The system has just completely frozen up – everyone is hoarding,” says one bank treasurer. “The published Libor rates are a fiction.”
This situation could become increasingly dangerous in part because many other markets, such as swaps, are priced off the three-month Libor and Euribor rates. So the interbank freeze could have knock-on effects throughout the financial system.
A more pressing problem is the large volume of asset-backed commercial paper due to expire in coming weeks, which is set to increase the scramble for cash by the banks. “Money market stability needs to return as soon as possible,” says William Sels, of Dresdner Kleinwort. Jan Loeys, of JPMorgan, notes: “The longer it lasts, the greater the risk that the current liquidity crisis will worsen.”
The crucial uncertainty is what, if anything, policymakers can do to combat the sense of panic. Some observers hope the problems in the sterling market, at least, may dissipate when the current maintenance period at the Bank of England comes to an end.
Others, such as Mr Weber, have suggested that banks themselves need to raise more funds in the capital markets to meet liquidity calls. However, many private sector bankers, for their part, say that radical steps from the central bankers are needed to remove the sense of panic.
Whether the central bankers are willing or able to really help – in the UK or anywhere else – remains the great question.
Additional reporting by Paul J Davies
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007
September 4, 2007 at 3:43 PM #83331LA_RenterParticipantGood article! Since we are piling on I thought I would add this to the mix. Here are some of the debates occurring a Jackson Hole this weekend.
“News from Jackson Hole: Saddle up ma, it’s a shadow banking run”
“According to Axel Weber, the German Bundesbank chief, the current financial crisis bears all the hallmarks of a bank-run. You know the kind of thing – frustrated savers scrambling to cash in their flimflam paper at the Western Union for its value in gold. Something like that anyway. Weber told an audience at Jackson Hole:
What we are seeing is basically what we see underlying all banking crises
In his analysis, markets, just as in the 19th century, are currently prey to a spiralling liquidity crisis created as investor confidence drops and everyone rushes to get their chips off the table.
The difference is that this time, it’s not a run on the banks. Instead, noted Weber, the current liquidity storm is being weathered by unregulated financial institutions – hedge funds, banking conduits, SIVs and such like. It is what Paul McCulley, managing director of Pimco, has termed a “run on the shadow banking system”.This is problematic then, for regulators like the Fed, which were created in the 19th century to deal with liquidity crises in the actual banking sector. Whereas banking crises in the past could be cooled by – in Ben Bernanke’s subtly crafted words – “a helicopter load of money”, that avenue is closed, because central banks are prohibited from lending to the unregulated institutions behind the current storm. The liquidity central bankers have injected into the system so far has been poorly targeted and hasn’t run to where it’s actually needed.”
So what we are experiencing is a good old fashioned 19th Century Bank Run. Great!
September 4, 2007 at 3:50 PM #83334JWM in SDParticipant“The liquidity central bankers have injected into the system so far has been poorly targeted and hasn’t run to where it’s actually needed.”
Also known as pushing on a string. It’s the reason why hard money inflation won’t work…the FED can’t control where the $ ends up at and it would have to end up in your wages to make a difference. Anyone here want to gamble that hyperinflation makes its way into your paycheck??? I don’t….
September 4, 2007 at 4:00 PM #83335bsrsharmaParticipantIf Freddie Mac’s problems persist (and extend to Fannie too), we are seeing another inflexion – markets are not trusting GSEs and probably governments that sponsor them. If FED lowers rates next time and $ promptly drops, we know we have reached that point. Next papers to be watched carefully may be – treasuries!
September 4, 2007 at 4:06 PM #83337bsrsharmaParticipanthyperinflation makes its way into your paycheck?
I have a solution! FED should design a proprietary laser printer and sell it for a low price. Insert your paycheck and it will print out n times that much currency. n is of course carefully controlled by FED and is sent to your printer on a secure encrypted link!
September 4, 2007 at 4:21 PM #83338JWM in SDParticipant“I have a solution! FED should design a proprietary laser printer and sell it for a low price. Insert your paycheck and it will print out n times that much currency. n is of course carefully controlled by FED and is sent to your printer on a secure encrypted link!”
You’re an engineer aren’t you?
September 4, 2007 at 4:30 PM #83343HereWeGoParticipantor not pushing hard enough, depending on your P.O.V.
IMO, your article represents the real threat, bsh. Hoarding “cash” en masse is a really scary concept, given the current structure of the capital markets.
It’s not the “consumer” that could cause an economic event; it’s the creditor.
September 4, 2007 at 4:35 PM #83344bsrsharmaParticipantYes; but the idea is from an old Candid Camera show where a bank teller prints out fresh currency, (saying it is the latest technology) to a dumbstruck customer.
September 4, 2007 at 4:44 PM #83346JWM in SDParticipant“Yes; but the idea is from an old Candid Camera show where a bank teller prints out fresh currency, (saying it is the latest technology) to a dumbstruck customer.”
There is a certain amount of bitter irony in that visual considering the situation we are in with regard to inflation.
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