Can’t we all just get along? Can’t we all just get along? Well all of us except the two realtors. That would just be silly.
Josh
NotCranky
March 31, 2010 @
8:55 AM
I choose “all of the above” I choose “all of the above” but think on various days these could apply to myself and several others as well…even some of the popular posters. I like Brian, I think he sets a good example of proper decorum when he takes the sometimes brutal heat from other posters. He is pretty facile with a lot of interesting topics. Mostly, I wish about him, that he didn’t come across as quite the Obama sycophant.I think it interferes with his rhetoric. In this he reminds me of kind of a polar opposite of Jficquette, who I also like.
urbanrealtor
March 31, 2010 @
9:19 AM
Russell wrote:I choose “all [quote=Russell]I choose “all of the above” but think on various days these could apply to myself and several others as well…even some of the popular posters. I like Brian, I think he sets a good example of proper decorum when he takes the sometimes brutal heat from other posters. He is pretty facile with a lot of interesting topics. Mostly, I wish about him, that he didn’t come across as quite the Obama sycophant.I think it interferes with his rhetoric. In this he reminds me of kind of a polar opposite of Jficquette, who I also like.[/quote]
Very well put actually.
briansd1
March 31, 2010 @
9:44 AM
Russell wrote: Mostly, I wish [quote=Russell] Mostly, I wish about him, that he didn’t come across as quite the Obama sycophant.I think it interferes with his rhetoric. [/quote]
I agree. People likely look at my politics and get pissed-off without even considering the merits of the situation. But I can’t resist. 😉
I’m not quite the Obama sycophant as you believe. He’s not a saint and I disagree with some of his policies.
My “love” of Obama nowhere equals the seething hate that I see out there. Those who hate… well, it’s fun to see them riled up.
BTW, I never got into the political debates until I saw some of the irrational hate on here, especially when the health care debate began last year.
Russell, just compare my praise of Obama to the hateful hyperbole such as: idiot, communist, dictator, etc…
For a “bring-the-data” site, there seems to be a lot of irrational, emotional conservatives on Piggington.
CBad
March 31, 2010 @
10:14 AM
I agree that this thread is I agree that this thread is uncool and I hope it isn’t hurting your feelings, Brian (sorry, I am emotional at times too). I don’t agree with you on everything but your opinions are valid and I enjoy hearing and learning from people on both sides of issues.
jpinpb
March 31, 2010 @
10:34 AM
CBad wrote:I agree that this [quote=CBad]I agree that this thread is uncool and I hope it isn’t hurting your feelings, Brian (sorry, I am emotional at times too). I don’t agree with you on everything but your opinions are valid and I enjoy hearing and learning from people on both sides of issues.[/quote]
I don’t think equalizer posted this thread maliciously. I think it was in jest and I think brian can handle it (I hope). At least that’s how I took it. Just giving brian a hard time, but kidding around.
Aecetia
March 31, 2010 @
10:37 AM
I do not think he will have I do not think he will have to go to counseling because of the poll. I think he is scrappy enough to survive.
Veritas
March 31, 2010 @
11:19 AM
Hey Brian,
Are you aware of Hey Brian,
Are you aware of the “Enemy Belligerent Act of 2010? This should be chilling to all civil libertarians:
On March 4th, Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman introduced a bill called the “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010” that, if passed, would set this country on a course to become a military dictatorship.
Veritas wrote:Hey Brian,
Are [quote=Veritas]Hey Brian,
Are you aware of the “Enemy Belligerent Act of 2010? This should be chilling to all civil libertarians:
On March 4th, Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman introduced a bill called the “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010” that, if passed, would set this country on a course to become a military dictatorship.
* Scott Brown [MA]
* Saxby Chambliss [GA]
* James Inhofe [OK]
* George LeMieux [FL]
* Jeff Sessions [AL]
* John Thune [SD]
* David Vitter [LA]
* Roger Wicker [MS]
NotCranky
March 31, 2010 @
10:22 AM
briansd1 wrote:Russell wrote: [quote=briansd1][quote=Russell] Mostly, I wish about him, that he didn’t come across as quite the Obama sycophant.I think it interferes with his rhetoric. [/quote]
I agree. People likely look at my politics and get pissed-off without even considering the merits of the situation. But I can’t resist. 😉
I’m not quite the Obama sycophant as you believe. He’s not a saint and I disagree with some of his policies.
My “love” of Obama nowhere equals the seething hate that I see out there. Those who hate… well, it’s fun to see them riled up.
BTW, I never got into the political debates until I saw some of the irrational hate on here, especially when the health care debate began last year.
Russell, just compare my praise of Obama to the hateful hyperbole such as: idiot, communist, dictator, etc…
For a “bring-the-data” site, there seems to be a lot of irrational, emotional conservatives on Piggington.[/quote]
I give you a lot of credit on what you have done regarding these points…I have even helped you at times …defending against flying red meat and throwing some back. On the other hand, I think your medicine is better applied universally.
I may be off the mark, but sometimes I wonder if your infatuation with Obama doesn’t belie discomfort with “Black” deep down inside.
Anyway, I have observed this discomfort about “Black” to be displayed frequently by one of two extremes, fear and hatred and un-natural elevation. Just a theory based guess. I didn’t vote for Him(or anyone) but was somewhat happy he won given the choices.
Aecetia
March 31, 2010 @
10:26 AM
Who called Obama an idiot? I Who called Obama an idiot? I missed that post. I think you need to point out these types of issues by linking. Otherwise, I would have to say you are making them up, which is my problem with you. You read into what people say and interpret it through your own filter. You seem to be intelligent, but you are definitely not fair or balanced.
Re. above by Russ: very, very insightful! Go to the head of the class.
sdduuuude
March 31, 2010 @
8:58 AM
I couldn’t reply. You left I couldn’t reply. You left out “There is no good reason to cuz its like chasing someone who is chasing the their own tail.”
Coronita
March 31, 2010 @
9:15 AM
you left out one….
Because you left out one….
Because I miss alex_angel.
air_ogi
March 31, 2010 @
9:17 AM
Because if you want an echo Because if you want an echo chamber, you came to the wrong place?
Coronita
March 31, 2010 @
9:24 AM
Actually guys, I tried to Actually guys, I tried to delete my post….
Imho I don’t think it’s cool to call out a person on a single thread, just because well, it just ain’t cool.
Same thing happened to the alex_angel dude (forgot his other login id)…
But that’s just my opinion, which isn’t very important 🙂
Well, anyway folks. Have fun today. I’m going to try to make today a slightly more productive day for myself than usual…
KSMountain
March 31, 2010 @
12:26 PM
I don’t usually agree with I don’t usually agree with Brian, but glad he’s here.
Just think if we could convert him to a more rational viewpoint – what a force for good he could become then… 🙂
blahblahblah
March 31, 2010 @
1:05 PM
I love this poll!
BTW I love this poll!
BTW Veritas, be careful posting stuff about the Enemy Belligerent Act. Only an Enemy Belligerent would complain about such an obviously useful, helpful, necessary, and of course patriotic piece of legislation. It’s the natural next piece of the puzzle after Patriot Acts I and II and the Military Commissions Act from the Bush II years.
Here come the fun 1-way airplane rides over the ocean just like in 70s Chile and Argentina. Blindfolded skydiving from 10000 feet with no parachute and your hands and feet tied will be the next “Extreme Sport” popular with anyone who complains about anything that TPTB don’t want to hear complaining about. I wonder if in 20 years the mothers of the disappeared will meet in parks with pictures of their children?
Good times!
Anonymous
March 31, 2010 @
1:33 PM
Just had to log in because I Just had to log in because I use to laugh at (I mean admire)his post on SDLookup. Sorry, Brian but you do provoke people and you know it is on purpose. You must be fun at dinner (No religion, politics, or???? during dinner taboo, unless your French and then have at it).
Casca
March 31, 2010 @
1:55 PM
There’s no option for There’s no option for “Reading anything he writes is a waste of precious time.”
briansd1
March 31, 2010 @
2:00 PM
PlnrBoy, there used to be a PlnrBoy, there used to be a Brian Hater thread on SDlookup.
Real estate, politics, marriage and children are some of the most sensitive and emotional topics that anyone could approach.
I should be talking about the lovely weather in SD instead. Hope it doesn’t rain this weekend. I have visitors and I want to show them why everyone wants to live in San Diego.
Veritas
March 31, 2010 @
3:03 PM
McCain must be losing it. McCain must be losing it. This bill would have pushed the founders over the top. I could hear them debating it with great gusto.
bubba99
March 31, 2010 @
6:18 PM
With or without the bill, the With or without the bill, the president has always had the authority to detain and “question” anyone thought to be a serious threat to the United States.
The problem arose under Bush where there was blanket use of the authority to grab anyone that might be thought a threat by anyone in our security hierarchy. The need/right to “interrogate” a high value target with direct knowledge of an impending terrorist act has always been tolerated, and in fact necessary.
Wilson, Roosevelt, Kennedy Reagan all used the authority under the radar. Bush/Cheney beat the authority to death.
afx114
March 31, 2010 @
6:27 PM
Veritas wrote:McCain must be [quote=Veritas]McCain must be losing it. This bill would have pushed the founders over the top. I could hear them debating it with great gusto.[/quote]
McCain is being challenged by a teabagger, and it’s not looking good for him. He’s gotta go further and further to the right in order to compete.
briansd1
March 31, 2010 @
8:33 PM
afx114 wrote:
McCain is being [quote=afx114]
McCain is being challenged by a teabagger, and it’s not looking good for him. He’s gotta go further and further to the right in order to compete.[/quote]
It also doesn’t help McCain that his wife, Cindy, is in support of gay marriage.
Ricechex
March 31, 2010 @
9:13 PM
Brian is not so bad. He just Brian is not so bad. He just has a one track brain. He is smart enough, but is blinded somehow, possibly due to youth. He still has an altruistic spirit, and I credit him for that. He is usually respectful. At least he cares deeply about something, whether he has the full picture or not. I wish he could get along better with the ladies, he would not be so angry then.
When is Allen from Fallbrook gonna chime in?
Allan from Fallbrook
April 1, 2010 @
10:37 AM
Ricechex wrote:
When is Allen [quote=Ricechex]
When is Allen from Fallbrook gonna chime in?[/quote]
Ricechex: Sorry about that. Friggin’ work interrupted again!
I think Brian is an agent provocateur, and a young one at that. You can’t take him too seriously, and largely because he’s neither consistent nor constant in his views or beliefs.
However, he’s fun to spar with. Ideologically, left and center-left posters like SK and afx and arraya are more well-informed, honest and capable, but Brian does occasionally take some well placed shots.
Because of his shifting stances and lack of depth, I don’t think we’re “debating” with him at all, but merely jousting. When I think of debate, I think of Surveyor, who was one of the most skilled debaters on this forum.
briansd1
April 1, 2010 @
12:55 PM
Allan from Fallbrook wrote: [quote=Allan from Fallbrook] When I think of debate, I think of Surveyor, who was one of the most skilled debaters on this forum.[/quote]
All I remember about Surveyor is that he’s an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist
briansd1 wrote:Allan from [quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] When I think of debate, I think of Surveyor, who was one of the most skilled debaters on this forum.[/quote]
All I remember about Surveyor is that he’s an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist
Brian: And your post above makes my point for me. You link to a response from Arraya accusing Surveyor of being anti-Islam and, from whole cloth, you use that to assert that Surveyor is an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist.
Wow. I’d say “well done”, except its laughable on its face and especially given the complete and total lack of facts. This is like a red herring, strawman, reductio ad absurdum all rolled into one.
And, ultimately, so what if Surveyor was an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist? Is that some sort of disqualification in your eyes? I’m a German-American Catholic. Does that render me somehow incapable of tendering or advancing a substantive and well-reasoned argument?
In all truth, Brian, you’re more bigoted than many posters on this board, but you happen to be blind to your own bigotry because its cloaked in Progressive PC language and attacks “acceptable” Leftist targets, i.e. Christians.
Veritas
April 1, 2010 @
1:37 PM
Allan,
Brian has issues as Allan,
Brian has issues as others have pointed out and you so succinctly summed up: his bigotry is disguised, but like the monkey in the silk suit, it is still a monkey.
briansd1
April 1, 2010 @
1:42 PM
Allan from Fallbrook [quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And, ultimately, so what if Surveyor was an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist? Is that some sort of disqualification in your eyes? I’m a German-American Catholic. Does that render me somehow incapable of tendering or advancing a substantive and well-reasoned argument?
[/quote]
So nothing.
I only said I remember him as being a Christian Fundamentalist.
President Obama is Black. So nothing.
Allan from Fallbrook
April 1, 2010 @
2:12 PM
briansd1 wrote:Allan from [quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And, ultimately, so what if Surveyor was an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist? Is that some sort of disqualification in your eyes? I’m a German-American Catholic. Does that render me somehow incapable of tendering or advancing a substantive and well-reasoned argument?
[/quote]
So nothing.
I only said I remember him as being a Christian Fundamentalist.
President Obama is Black. So nothing.[/quote]
Brian: Hold on a second, there, Bunky. As you’ve opined, and repeatedly so, Obama being black DOES matter and quite a bit.
His ethnicity has been cited as a root cause (by you) as to why many white Americans (most specifically Tea Partyers) either attack his policies and/or reject his policies. You’ve also held forth that his color creates fear in whites, along with their sense of loss of “their America” (the America that the white folks used to run, I’m presuming).
So something, not nothing, right? You can’t simultaneously advance and reject a theory, can you? Not logically, anyway. You play the “fear of a black nation” card, but casually dispel it by opining that Obama’s “blackness” (that quality that disenfranchised whites fear so much) is an irrelevancy. Methinks you believe that Obama’s blackness is equally as important as Surveyor’s Asian Christianity and, more to the point, informs and drives him just as Surveyor’s does.
Or am I wrong?
briansd1
April 1, 2010 @
2:47 PM
You didn’t get it Allan.
To You didn’t get it Allan.
To me, someone being a Christian Fundamentalist is equally irrelevant as a Black president is to Tea Partyers.
Allan from Fallbrook
April 1, 2010 @
2:58 PM
briansd1 wrote:You didn’t get [quote=briansd1]You didn’t get it Allan.
To me, someone being a Christian Fundamentalist is equally irrelevant as a Black president is to Tea Partyers.[/quote]
Brian: Except that one’s religion does matter to you, Brian, and you’ve said so on numerous occasions. You portray Christians as being backwards, intellectually lacking and low class (I’m guessing that’s what your “Wal-Mart” references were all about).
And, yeah, you’ve also made much of Obama’s skin color, especially as it relates to his “acceptance”, or lack thereof, by those trying to “conserve back in time”.
C’mon, dude, you can’t dance out of this one.
surveyor
April 1, 2010 @
3:38 PM
briansd1 wrote:
I only said I [quote=briansd1]
I only said I remember him as being a Christian Fundamentalist. [/quote]
Unfortunately Brian this observation is fairly indicative of your analytical skills, or lack thereof. I never professed to be being a Christian fundamentalist and I do not hold any of those views. I am actually agnostic.
All I did was indicate how bigoted you are towards christianity when I noted that Christians never believed in a flat earth, and provided documentation of it, despite your belief that Christian did believe in a flat earth. You had been using that idea as proof of Christianity being a backward thought process. However, it was clear that you knew nothing about their beliefs.
That notation does not make one a Christian fundamentalist. It makes one a historian.
Learn the difference.
briansd1
April 1, 2010 @
4:24 PM
surveyor wrote:
That notation [quote=surveyor]
That notation does not make one a Christian fundamentalist. It makes one a historian.
[/quote]
Sorry my recollection was wrong. It was a long time ago (in internet time).
[quote=surveyor]
All I did was indicate how bigoted you are towards christianity when I noted that Christians never believed in a flat earth, and provided documentation of it, despite your belief that Christian did believe in a flat earth. You had been using that idea as proof of Christianity being a backward thought process. However, it was clear that you knew nothing about their beliefs.
[/quote]
It’s true that I don’t know much about Christianity besides what I see on TV. My comments reflect my own views of the Christian right.
Christianity evolved over 2000 years. But I’m more focused on the Christians who are politically active in America today.
I know that:
* They believe in intelligent design.
* Are against birth control.
* Are for home schooling.
Perhaps my views are distorted and may prove wrong. But I don’t see how my views are different for someone’s interpretation of future real estate prices; or whether unauthorized immigrants should be legalized.
Allan from Fallbrook
April 1, 2010 @
4:39 PM
briansd1 wrote:
Christianity [quote=briansd1]
Christianity evolved over 2000 years. But I’m more focused on the Christians who are politically active in America today.
I know that:
* They believe in intelligent design.
* Are against birth control.
* Are for home schooling.
Perhaps my views are distorted and may prove wrong. But I don’t see how my views are different for someone’s interpretation of future real estate prices; or whether unauthorized immigrants should be legalized.[/quote]
Brian: So if one doesn’t adhere to the above beliefs (intelligent design, birth control and homse schooling), one isn’t a Christian?
I don’t believe in intelligent design, but I also have issues with Darwinism. I was taught that empiricism should guide your thinking, so there really is no such thing as “settled science”, only an on-going discourse and debate (much as what SHOULD occur in politics, but doesn’t).
I don’t believe in home schooling, and feel that Catholic education (at any level) produces some of the best academically prepared students in the country. Neither of my children is home schooled, by the way.
I do break with Catholic teachings regarding birth control, but I understand the foundation of the doctrine, even if I don’t agree. My point here is that one can be far more open-minded as a Christian than you realize, or, more importantly, ACCEPT.
Again, this is not only bigotry, but blindness. You castigate Christians for their supposed backwardness and ignorance, yet you display these self-same qualities yourself.
I could take a handful of the more conservative, right-leaning posters on this forum and completely deconstruct Leftism, but I sincerely doubt you’d listen or pay attention. And that inability speaks far more to your closemindedness and ignorance than it does to your opponent’s.
Veritas
April 1, 2010 @
5:20 PM
Monkey in silk [img_assist|nid=13088|title=Monkey in silk|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=75]
briansd1
April 1, 2010 @
6:05 PM
Allan from Fallbrook wrote: [quote=Allan from Fallbrook] My point here is that one can be far more open-minded as a Christian than you realize, or, more importantly, ACCEPT.
[/quote]
Of course, all Christians are not the same. There are all kinds.
If the subject is the Tea Party and I’m referring to Christians, then I’m referring to the Christians who support the Tea Party and show up at demonstrations.
Some of the imagery I’ve conjured up is caricature but not different from liberals being called communists, Marxists, tree-huggers, terrorist sympathizers, traitors, etc…
I can picture Obama as the idiot in the jungle. Can you? Do you see that monkey picture above?
People may say that Obama is an idiot but nobody believes that he’s dumb.
We all do it for effect and it’s part of partisanship.
It’s not bigotry and I don’t accuse of the other side of being bigots either.
Arraya
April 1, 2010 @
6:18 PM
Do you mean all christians Do you mean all christians are not like this
“Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment,” Hutaree.com reads. “The only thing on earth to save the testimony and those who follow it, are the members of the testimony, til the return of Christ in the clouds. We, the Hutaree, are prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren’t. We will still spread the word, and fight to keep it, up to the time of the great coming.”
ucodegen
April 1, 2010 @
6:51 PM
I know that:
* They believe
I know that:
* They believe in intelligent design.
* Are against birth control.
* Are for home schooling.
Perhaps my views are distorted and may prove wrong. But I don’t see how my views are different for someone’s interpretation of future real estate prices; or whether unauthorized immigrants should be legalized.
Not all Christians do, but playing devils advocate here on ‘intelligent design’:
How do you explain wierd ‘coincidences’ like virtually all living things using mitochondria to generate energy by processing ATP, conversion of glucose/sugars to ATP, DNA being used to specify a species characteristics with RNA being used for cell replication, water losing density when it solidifies(about the only compound that does – and lucky for us because the surface of the earth is 60% water) – amongst many others-I could easily belabor this point. In some ways, too many coincidences occurring without some ‘external intelligent’ interference.
Veritas
April 1, 2010 @
7:08 PM
No, this is a personal No, this is a personal attack:
“Jfuquette has a new name?
Submitted by Sunnyjim on July 9, 2008 – 10:51am.
Jfuquette has a new name? There are enough of the wing nuts showing up here to make me think about not coming back.
I will probably just read Rich’s stuff and forget the rest.
You would think with all the resources in this country, people would be ashamed to be so ignorant as these posters have become lately. Too bad they get to vote.”
You all only consider it an attack if it is against a fellow liberal.
Coronita
April 1, 2010 @
8:23 PM
Veritas wrote:No, this is a [quote=Veritas]No, this is a personal attack:
“Jfuquette has a new name?
Submitted by Sunnyjim on July 9, 2008 – 10:51am.
Jfuquette has a new name? There are enough of the wing nuts showing up here to make me think about not coming back.
I will probably just read Rich’s stuff and forget the rest.
You would think with all the resources in this country, people would be ashamed to be so ignorant as these posters have become lately. Too bad they get to vote.”
You all only consider it an attack if it is against a fellow liberal.[/quote]
What did I miss?
Eugene
April 1, 2010 @
12:52 PM
Ricechex wrote:Brian is not [quote=Ricechex]Brian is not so bad. He just has a one track brain. He is smart enough, but is blinded somehow, possibly due to youth. [/quote]
For some reason I had the impression that Brian is in his 40’s. IIRC he owns rental properties since way before the bubble.
Veritas
April 1, 2010 @
1:32 PM
It is obvious to me what his It is obvious to me what his problem is. He has no wife to occupy his time and to keep him in line.
ucodegen
April 1, 2010 @
6:52 PM
Brian is not so bad. He just
Brian is not so bad. He just has a one track brain. He is smart enough, but is blinded somehow, possibly due to youth. He still has an altruistic spirit, and I credit him for that. He is usually respectful. At least he cares deeply about something, whether he has the full picture or not. I wish he could get along better with the ladies, he would not be so angry then.
So you mean that he needs to get some ‘personal time’ with a female of the species?.. humm.. lets see if we can get the Republican party to fund it.. 8P
I do agree though that this thread is closer to a ‘personal attack’ than I like.
svelte
March 31, 2010 @
9:42 PM
briansd1 wrote:afx114 [quote=briansd1][quote=afx114]
McCain is being challenged by a teabagger, and it’s not looking good for him. He’s gotta go further and further to the right in order to compete.[/quote]
It also doesn’t help McCain that his wife, Cindy, is in support of gay marriage.[/quote]
I’m proud of him for having such an outspoken wife and daughter and (apparently) being okay with that.
There’s a lot I like about McCain…my big gripe was his running mate.
jpinpb
April 1, 2010 @
8:42 AM
svelte wrote:
There’s a lot I [quote=svelte]
There’s a lot I like about McCain…my big gripe was his running mate.[/quote]
x2 – as I said before, imo he was a closet democrat and threw the race when he picked her. I think had he selected maybe Condi Rice, he would’ve nailed it.
DataAgent
April 1, 2010 @
8:51 AM
jpinpb wrote:svelte [quote=jpinpb][quote=svelte]
There’s a lot I like about McCain…my big gripe was his running mate.[/quote]
x2 – as I said before, imo he was a closet democrat and threw the race when he picked her. I think had he selected maybe Condi Rice, he would’ve nailed it.[/quote]
ditto – Caribou Barbie cost McCain the presidency.
equalizer
March 31, 2010 @
11:14 PM
briansd1 wrote:PlnrBoy, there [quote=briansd1]PlnrBoy, there used to be a Brian Hater thread on SDlookup.
Real estate, politics, marriage and children are some of the most sensitive and emotional topics that anyone could approach.
I should be talking about the lovely weather in SD instead. Hope it doesn’t rain this weekend. I have visitors and I want to show them why everyone wants to live in San Diego.[/quote]
The poll was my vain attempt at constructive criticism through humorous intentioned poll. Alas, PJ Rourke or TJ I am not.
Since a few people did not appreciate my sonnet, I regret if you felt slighted by one of my lines, that in retrospect was a little over the line. If you or anyone else wants this thread removed, I will request that Rich remove it.
People read your posts so you may want to project a less cavalier demeanor and channel your energies into a more cohesive dialogue to fight the knight – AG – and other fine messengers of our day.
PS
We don’t need more Disneyfied screech, all we need is freedom of speech.
March 30, 2010 @ 11:14 PM
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deleted
March 31, 2010 @ 7:52 AM
Can’t we all just get along?
Can’t we all just get along? Well all of us except the two realtors. That would just be silly.
Josh
March 31, 2010 @ 8:55 AM
I choose “all of the above”
I choose “all of the above” but think on various days these could apply to myself and several others as well…even some of the popular posters. I like Brian, I think he sets a good example of proper decorum when he takes the sometimes brutal heat from other posters. He is pretty facile with a lot of interesting topics. Mostly, I wish about him, that he didn’t come across as quite the Obama sycophant.I think it interferes with his rhetoric. In this he reminds me of kind of a polar opposite of Jficquette, who I also like.
March 31, 2010 @ 9:19 AM
Russell wrote:I choose “all
[quote=Russell]I choose “all of the above” but think on various days these could apply to myself and several others as well…even some of the popular posters. I like Brian, I think he sets a good example of proper decorum when he takes the sometimes brutal heat from other posters. He is pretty facile with a lot of interesting topics. Mostly, I wish about him, that he didn’t come across as quite the Obama sycophant.I think it interferes with his rhetoric. In this he reminds me of kind of a polar opposite of Jficquette, who I also like.[/quote]
Very well put actually.
March 31, 2010 @ 9:44 AM
Russell wrote: Mostly, I wish
[quote=Russell] Mostly, I wish about him, that he didn’t come across as quite the Obama sycophant.I think it interferes with his rhetoric. [/quote]
I agree. People likely look at my politics and get pissed-off without even considering the merits of the situation. But I can’t resist. 😉
I’m not quite the Obama sycophant as you believe. He’s not a saint and I disagree with some of his policies.
My “love” of Obama nowhere equals the seething hate that I see out there. Those who hate… well, it’s fun to see them riled up.
BTW, I never got into the political debates until I saw some of the irrational hate on here, especially when the health care debate began last year.
Russell, just compare my praise of Obama to the hateful hyperbole such as: idiot, communist, dictator, etc…
For a “bring-the-data” site, there seems to be a lot of irrational, emotional conservatives on Piggington.
March 31, 2010 @ 10:14 AM
I agree that this thread is
I agree that this thread is uncool and I hope it isn’t hurting your feelings, Brian (sorry, I am emotional at times too). I don’t agree with you on everything but your opinions are valid and I enjoy hearing and learning from people on both sides of issues.
March 31, 2010 @ 10:34 AM
CBad wrote:I agree that this
[quote=CBad]I agree that this thread is uncool and I hope it isn’t hurting your feelings, Brian (sorry, I am emotional at times too). I don’t agree with you on everything but your opinions are valid and I enjoy hearing and learning from people on both sides of issues.[/quote]
I don’t think equalizer posted this thread maliciously. I think it was in jest and I think brian can handle it (I hope). At least that’s how I took it. Just giving brian a hard time, but kidding around.
March 31, 2010 @ 10:37 AM
I do not think he will have
I do not think he will have to go to counseling because of the poll. I think he is scrappy enough to survive.
March 31, 2010 @ 11:19 AM
Hey Brian,
Are you aware of
Hey Brian,
Are you aware of the “Enemy Belligerent Act of 2010? This should be chilling to all civil libertarians:
On March 4th, Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman introduced a bill called the “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010” that, if passed, would set this country on a course to become a military dictatorship.
The bill is only 12 pages long, but that is plenty of room to grant the president the power to order the arrest, interrogation, and imprisonment of anyone — including a U.S. citizen — indefinitely, on the sole suspicion that he or she is affiliated with terrorism, and on the president’s sole authority as commander in chief.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/146081/mccain_and_lieberman%27s_%22enemy_belligerent%22_act_could_set_u.s._on_path_to_military_dictatorship
March 31, 2010 @ 12:38 PM
Veritas wrote:Hey Brian,
Are
[quote=Veritas]Hey Brian,
Are you aware of the “Enemy Belligerent Act of 2010? This should be chilling to all civil libertarians:
On March 4th, Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman introduced a bill called the “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010” that, if passed, would set this country on a course to become a military dictatorship.
The bill is only 12 pages long, but that is plenty of room to grant the president the power to order the arrest, interrogation, and imprisonment of anyone — including a U.S. citizen — indefinitely, on the sole suspicion that he or she is affiliated with terrorism, and on the president’s sole authority as commander in chief.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/146081/mccain_and_lieberman%27s_%22enemy_belligerent%22_act_could_set_u.s._on_path_to_military_dictatorship
[/quote]
I don’t like the bill one bit.
But considering that McCain introduced it, I’m glad that McCain is not president.
Enemy_Belligerent_Interrogation Act
Co-sponsors
* Scott Brown [MA]
* Saxby Chambliss [GA]
* James Inhofe [OK]
* George LeMieux [FL]
* Jeff Sessions [AL]
* John Thune [SD]
* David Vitter [LA]
* Roger Wicker [MS]
March 31, 2010 @ 10:22 AM
briansd1 wrote:Russell wrote:
[quote=briansd1][quote=Russell] Mostly, I wish about him, that he didn’t come across as quite the Obama sycophant.I think it interferes with his rhetoric. [/quote]
I agree. People likely look at my politics and get pissed-off without even considering the merits of the situation. But I can’t resist. 😉
I’m not quite the Obama sycophant as you believe. He’s not a saint and I disagree with some of his policies.
My “love” of Obama nowhere equals the seething hate that I see out there. Those who hate… well, it’s fun to see them riled up.
BTW, I never got into the political debates until I saw some of the irrational hate on here, especially when the health care debate began last year.
Russell, just compare my praise of Obama to the hateful hyperbole such as: idiot, communist, dictator, etc…
For a “bring-the-data” site, there seems to be a lot of irrational, emotional conservatives on Piggington.[/quote]
I give you a lot of credit on what you have done regarding these points…I have even helped you at times …defending against flying red meat and throwing some back. On the other hand, I think your medicine is better applied universally.
I may be off the mark, but sometimes I wonder if your infatuation with Obama doesn’t belie discomfort with “Black” deep down inside.
Anyway, I have observed this discomfort about “Black” to be displayed frequently by one of two extremes, fear and hatred and un-natural elevation. Just a theory based guess. I didn’t vote for Him(or anyone) but was somewhat happy he won given the choices.
March 31, 2010 @ 10:26 AM
Who called Obama an idiot? I
Who called Obama an idiot? I missed that post. I think you need to point out these types of issues by linking. Otherwise, I would have to say you are making them up, which is my problem with you. You read into what people say and interpret it through your own filter. You seem to be intelligent, but you are definitely not fair or balanced.
Re. above by Russ: very, very insightful! Go to the head of the class.
March 31, 2010 @ 8:58 AM
I couldn’t reply. You left
I couldn’t reply. You left out “There is no good reason to cuz its like chasing someone who is chasing the their own tail.”
March 31, 2010 @ 9:15 AM
you left out one….
Because
you left out one….
Because I miss alex_angel.
March 31, 2010 @ 9:17 AM
Because if you want an echo
Because if you want an echo chamber, you came to the wrong place?
March 31, 2010 @ 9:24 AM
Actually guys, I tried to
Actually guys, I tried to delete my post….
Imho I don’t think it’s cool to call out a person on a single thread, just because well, it just ain’t cool.
Same thing happened to the alex_angel dude (forgot his other login id)…
But that’s just my opinion, which isn’t very important 🙂
Well, anyway folks. Have fun today. I’m going to try to make today a slightly more productive day for myself than usual…
March 31, 2010 @ 12:26 PM
I don’t usually agree with
I don’t usually agree with Brian, but glad he’s here.
Just think if we could convert him to a more rational viewpoint – what a force for good he could become then… 🙂
March 31, 2010 @ 1:05 PM
I love this poll!
BTW
I love this poll!
BTW Veritas, be careful posting stuff about the Enemy Belligerent Act. Only an Enemy Belligerent would complain about such an obviously useful, helpful, necessary, and of course patriotic piece of legislation. It’s the natural next piece of the puzzle after Patriot Acts I and II and the Military Commissions Act from the Bush II years.
Here come the fun 1-way airplane rides over the ocean just like in 70s Chile and Argentina. Blindfolded skydiving from 10000 feet with no parachute and your hands and feet tied will be the next “Extreme Sport” popular with anyone who complains about anything that TPTB don’t want to hear complaining about. I wonder if in 20 years the mothers of the disappeared will meet in parks with pictures of their children?
Good times!
March 31, 2010 @ 1:33 PM
Just had to log in because I
Just had to log in because I use to laugh at (I mean admire)his post on SDLookup. Sorry, Brian but you do provoke people and you know it is on purpose. You must be fun at dinner (No religion, politics, or???? during dinner taboo, unless your French and then have at it).
March 31, 2010 @ 1:55 PM
There’s no option for
There’s no option for “Reading anything he writes is a waste of precious time.”
March 31, 2010 @ 2:00 PM
PlnrBoy, there used to be a
PlnrBoy, there used to be a Brian Hater thread on SDlookup.
Real estate, politics, marriage and children are some of the most sensitive and emotional topics that anyone could approach.
I should be talking about the lovely weather in SD instead. Hope it doesn’t rain this weekend. I have visitors and I want to show them why everyone wants to live in San Diego.
March 31, 2010 @ 3:03 PM
McCain must be losing it.
McCain must be losing it. This bill would have pushed the founders over the top. I could hear them debating it with great gusto.
March 31, 2010 @ 6:18 PM
With or without the bill, the
With or without the bill, the president has always had the authority to detain and “question” anyone thought to be a serious threat to the United States.
The problem arose under Bush where there was blanket use of the authority to grab anyone that might be thought a threat by anyone in our security hierarchy. The need/right to “interrogate” a high value target with direct knowledge of an impending terrorist act has always been tolerated, and in fact necessary.
Wilson, Roosevelt, Kennedy Reagan all used the authority under the radar. Bush/Cheney beat the authority to death.
March 31, 2010 @ 6:27 PM
Veritas wrote:McCain must be
[quote=Veritas]McCain must be losing it. This bill would have pushed the founders over the top. I could hear them debating it with great gusto.[/quote]
McCain is being challenged by a teabagger, and it’s not looking good for him. He’s gotta go further and further to the right in order to compete.
March 31, 2010 @ 8:33 PM
afx114 wrote:
McCain is being
[quote=afx114]
McCain is being challenged by a teabagger, and it’s not looking good for him. He’s gotta go further and further to the right in order to compete.[/quote]
It also doesn’t help McCain that his wife, Cindy, is in support of gay marriage.
March 31, 2010 @ 9:13 PM
Brian is not so bad. He just
Brian is not so bad. He just has a one track brain. He is smart enough, but is blinded somehow, possibly due to youth. He still has an altruistic spirit, and I credit him for that. He is usually respectful. At least he cares deeply about something, whether he has the full picture or not. I wish he could get along better with the ladies, he would not be so angry then.
When is Allen from Fallbrook gonna chime in?
April 1, 2010 @ 10:37 AM
Ricechex wrote:
When is Allen
[quote=Ricechex]
When is Allen from Fallbrook gonna chime in?[/quote]
Ricechex: Sorry about that. Friggin’ work interrupted again!
I think Brian is an agent provocateur, and a young one at that. You can’t take him too seriously, and largely because he’s neither consistent nor constant in his views or beliefs.
However, he’s fun to spar with. Ideologically, left and center-left posters like SK and afx and arraya are more well-informed, honest and capable, but Brian does occasionally take some well placed shots.
Because of his shifting stances and lack of depth, I don’t think we’re “debating” with him at all, but merely jousting. When I think of debate, I think of Surveyor, who was one of the most skilled debaters on this forum.
April 1, 2010 @ 12:55 PM
Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] When I think of debate, I think of Surveyor, who was one of the most skilled debaters on this forum.[/quote]
All I remember about Surveyor is that he’s an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist
http://piggington.com/terrorism?page=8
April 1, 2010 @ 1:18 PM
briansd1 wrote:Allan from
[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] When I think of debate, I think of Surveyor, who was one of the most skilled debaters on this forum.[/quote]
All I remember about Surveyor is that he’s an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist
http://piggington.com/terrorism?page=8%5B/quote%5D
Brian: And your post above makes my point for me. You link to a response from Arraya accusing Surveyor of being anti-Islam and, from whole cloth, you use that to assert that Surveyor is an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist.
Wow. I’d say “well done”, except its laughable on its face and especially given the complete and total lack of facts. This is like a red herring, strawman, reductio ad absurdum all rolled into one.
And, ultimately, so what if Surveyor was an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist? Is that some sort of disqualification in your eyes? I’m a German-American Catholic. Does that render me somehow incapable of tendering or advancing a substantive and well-reasoned argument?
In all truth, Brian, you’re more bigoted than many posters on this board, but you happen to be blind to your own bigotry because its cloaked in Progressive PC language and attacks “acceptable” Leftist targets, i.e. Christians.
April 1, 2010 @ 1:37 PM
Allan,
Brian has issues as
Allan,
Brian has issues as others have pointed out and you so succinctly summed up: his bigotry is disguised, but like the monkey in the silk suit, it is still a monkey.
April 1, 2010 @ 1:42 PM
Allan from Fallbrook
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And, ultimately, so what if Surveyor was an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist? Is that some sort of disqualification in your eyes? I’m a German-American Catholic. Does that render me somehow incapable of tendering or advancing a substantive and well-reasoned argument?
[/quote]
So nothing.
I only said I remember him as being a Christian Fundamentalist.
President Obama is Black. So nothing.
April 1, 2010 @ 2:12 PM
briansd1 wrote:Allan from
[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And, ultimately, so what if Surveyor was an Asian-American Christian Fundamentalist? Is that some sort of disqualification in your eyes? I’m a German-American Catholic. Does that render me somehow incapable of tendering or advancing a substantive and well-reasoned argument?
[/quote]
So nothing.
I only said I remember him as being a Christian Fundamentalist.
President Obama is Black. So nothing.[/quote]
Brian: Hold on a second, there, Bunky. As you’ve opined, and repeatedly so, Obama being black DOES matter and quite a bit.
His ethnicity has been cited as a root cause (by you) as to why many white Americans (most specifically Tea Partyers) either attack his policies and/or reject his policies. You’ve also held forth that his color creates fear in whites, along with their sense of loss of “their America” (the America that the white folks used to run, I’m presuming).
So something, not nothing, right? You can’t simultaneously advance and reject a theory, can you? Not logically, anyway. You play the “fear of a black nation” card, but casually dispel it by opining that Obama’s “blackness” (that quality that disenfranchised whites fear so much) is an irrelevancy. Methinks you believe that Obama’s blackness is equally as important as Surveyor’s Asian Christianity and, more to the point, informs and drives him just as Surveyor’s does.
Or am I wrong?
April 1, 2010 @ 2:47 PM
You didn’t get it Allan.
To
You didn’t get it Allan.
To me, someone being a Christian Fundamentalist is equally irrelevant as a Black president is to Tea Partyers.
April 1, 2010 @ 2:58 PM
briansd1 wrote:You didn’t get
[quote=briansd1]You didn’t get it Allan.
To me, someone being a Christian Fundamentalist is equally irrelevant as a Black president is to Tea Partyers.[/quote]
Brian: Except that one’s religion does matter to you, Brian, and you’ve said so on numerous occasions. You portray Christians as being backwards, intellectually lacking and low class (I’m guessing that’s what your “Wal-Mart” references were all about).
And, yeah, you’ve also made much of Obama’s skin color, especially as it relates to his “acceptance”, or lack thereof, by those trying to “conserve back in time”.
C’mon, dude, you can’t dance out of this one.
April 1, 2010 @ 3:38 PM
briansd1 wrote:
I only said I
[quote=briansd1]
I only said I remember him as being a Christian Fundamentalist. [/quote]
Unfortunately Brian this observation is fairly indicative of your analytical skills, or lack thereof. I never professed to be being a Christian fundamentalist and I do not hold any of those views. I am actually agnostic.
All I did was indicate how bigoted you are towards christianity when I noted that Christians never believed in a flat earth, and provided documentation of it, despite your belief that Christian did believe in a flat earth. You had been using that idea as proof of Christianity being a backward thought process. However, it was clear that you knew nothing about their beliefs.
That notation does not make one a Christian fundamentalist. It makes one a historian.
Learn the difference.
April 1, 2010 @ 4:24 PM
surveyor wrote:
That notation
[quote=surveyor]
That notation does not make one a Christian fundamentalist. It makes one a historian.
[/quote]
Sorry my recollection was wrong. It was a long time ago (in internet time).
[quote=surveyor]
All I did was indicate how bigoted you are towards christianity when I noted that Christians never believed in a flat earth, and provided documentation of it, despite your belief that Christian did believe in a flat earth. You had been using that idea as proof of Christianity being a backward thought process. However, it was clear that you knew nothing about their beliefs.
[/quote]
It’s true that I don’t know much about Christianity besides what I see on TV. My comments reflect my own views of the Christian right.
Christianity evolved over 2000 years. But I’m more focused on the Christians who are politically active in America today.
I know that:
* They believe in intelligent design.
* Are against birth control.
* Are for home schooling.
Perhaps my views are distorted and may prove wrong. But I don’t see how my views are different for someone’s interpretation of future real estate prices; or whether unauthorized immigrants should be legalized.
April 1, 2010 @ 4:39 PM
briansd1 wrote:
Christianity
[quote=briansd1]
Christianity evolved over 2000 years. But I’m more focused on the Christians who are politically active in America today.
I know that:
* They believe in intelligent design.
* Are against birth control.
* Are for home schooling.
Perhaps my views are distorted and may prove wrong. But I don’t see how my views are different for someone’s interpretation of future real estate prices; or whether unauthorized immigrants should be legalized.[/quote]
Brian: So if one doesn’t adhere to the above beliefs (intelligent design, birth control and homse schooling), one isn’t a Christian?
I don’t believe in intelligent design, but I also have issues with Darwinism. I was taught that empiricism should guide your thinking, so there really is no such thing as “settled science”, only an on-going discourse and debate (much as what SHOULD occur in politics, but doesn’t).
I don’t believe in home schooling, and feel that Catholic education (at any level) produces some of the best academically prepared students in the country. Neither of my children is home schooled, by the way.
I do break with Catholic teachings regarding birth control, but I understand the foundation of the doctrine, even if I don’t agree. My point here is that one can be far more open-minded as a Christian than you realize, or, more importantly, ACCEPT.
Again, this is not only bigotry, but blindness. You castigate Christians for their supposed backwardness and ignorance, yet you display these self-same qualities yourself.
I could take a handful of the more conservative, right-leaning posters on this forum and completely deconstruct Leftism, but I sincerely doubt you’d listen or pay attention. And that inability speaks far more to your closemindedness and ignorance than it does to your opponent’s.
April 1, 2010 @ 5:20 PM
Monkey in silk
[img_assist|nid=13088|title=Monkey in silk|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=75]
April 1, 2010 @ 6:05 PM
Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] My point here is that one can be far more open-minded as a Christian than you realize, or, more importantly, ACCEPT.
[/quote]
Of course, all Christians are not the same. There are all kinds.
If the subject is the Tea Party and I’m referring to Christians, then I’m referring to the Christians who support the Tea Party and show up at demonstrations.
Some of the imagery I’ve conjured up is caricature but not different from liberals being called communists, Marxists, tree-huggers, terrorist sympathizers, traitors, etc…
I can picture Obama as the idiot in the jungle. Can you? Do you see that monkey picture above?
People may say that Obama is an idiot but nobody believes that he’s dumb.
We all do it for effect and it’s part of partisanship.
It’s not bigotry and I don’t accuse of the other side of being bigots either.
April 1, 2010 @ 6:18 PM
Do you mean all christians
Do you mean all christians are not like this
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/29/michigan-militia-group-preparing-anti-christ-web-site-says/?test=latestnews
The Michigan-based militia group charged with conspiring to kill police officers is preparing for battle with the Antichrist, according to a Web site purportedly run by the group.
“Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment,” Hutaree.com reads. “The only thing on earth to save the testimony and those who follow it, are the members of the testimony, til the return of Christ in the clouds. We, the Hutaree, are prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren’t. We will still spread the word, and fight to keep it, up to the time of the great coming.”
April 1, 2010 @ 6:51 PM
I know that:
* They believe
Not all Christians do, but playing devils advocate here on ‘intelligent design’:
How do you explain wierd ‘coincidences’ like virtually all living things using mitochondria to generate energy by processing ATP, conversion of glucose/sugars to ATP, DNA being used to specify a species characteristics with RNA being used for cell replication, water losing density when it solidifies(about the only compound that does – and lucky for us because the surface of the earth is 60% water) – amongst many others-I could easily belabor this point. In some ways, too many coincidences occurring without some ‘external intelligent’ interference.
April 1, 2010 @ 7:08 PM
No, this is a personal
No, this is a personal attack:
“Jfuquette has a new name?
Submitted by Sunnyjim on July 9, 2008 – 10:51am.
Jfuquette has a new name? There are enough of the wing nuts showing up here to make me think about not coming back.
I will probably just read Rich’s stuff and forget the rest.
You would think with all the resources in this country, people would be ashamed to be so ignorant as these posters have become lately. Too bad they get to vote.”
You all only consider it an attack if it is against a fellow liberal.
April 1, 2010 @ 8:23 PM
Veritas wrote:No, this is a
[quote=Veritas]No, this is a personal attack:
“Jfuquette has a new name?
Submitted by Sunnyjim on July 9, 2008 – 10:51am.
Jfuquette has a new name? There are enough of the wing nuts showing up here to make me think about not coming back.
I will probably just read Rich’s stuff and forget the rest.
You would think with all the resources in this country, people would be ashamed to be so ignorant as these posters have become lately. Too bad they get to vote.”
You all only consider it an attack if it is against a fellow liberal.[/quote]
What did I miss?
April 1, 2010 @ 12:52 PM
Ricechex wrote:Brian is not
[quote=Ricechex]Brian is not so bad. He just has a one track brain. He is smart enough, but is blinded somehow, possibly due to youth. [/quote]
For some reason I had the impression that Brian is in his 40’s. IIRC he owns rental properties since way before the bubble.
April 1, 2010 @ 1:32 PM
It is obvious to me what his
It is obvious to me what his problem is. He has no wife to occupy his time and to keep him in line.
April 1, 2010 @ 6:52 PM
Brian is not so bad. He just
So you mean that he needs to get some ‘personal time’ with a female of the species?.. humm.. lets see if we can get the Republican party to fund it.. 8P
I do agree though that this thread is closer to a ‘personal attack’ than I like.
March 31, 2010 @ 9:42 PM
briansd1 wrote:afx114
[quote=briansd1][quote=afx114]
McCain is being challenged by a teabagger, and it’s not looking good for him. He’s gotta go further and further to the right in order to compete.[/quote]
It also doesn’t help McCain that his wife, Cindy, is in support of gay marriage.[/quote]
I’m proud of him for having such an outspoken wife and daughter and (apparently) being okay with that.
There’s a lot I like about McCain…my big gripe was his running mate.
April 1, 2010 @ 8:42 AM
svelte wrote:
There’s a lot I
[quote=svelte]
There’s a lot I like about McCain…my big gripe was his running mate.[/quote]
x2 – as I said before, imo he was a closet democrat and threw the race when he picked her. I think had he selected maybe Condi Rice, he would’ve nailed it.
April 1, 2010 @ 8:51 AM
jpinpb wrote:svelte
[quote=jpinpb][quote=svelte]
There’s a lot I like about McCain…my big gripe was his running mate.[/quote]
x2 – as I said before, imo he was a closet democrat and threw the race when he picked her. I think had he selected maybe Condi Rice, he would’ve nailed it.[/quote]
ditto – Caribou Barbie cost McCain the presidency.
March 31, 2010 @ 11:14 PM
briansd1 wrote:PlnrBoy, there
[quote=briansd1]PlnrBoy, there used to be a Brian Hater thread on SDlookup.
Real estate, politics, marriage and children are some of the most sensitive and emotional topics that anyone could approach.
I should be talking about the lovely weather in SD instead. Hope it doesn’t rain this weekend. I have visitors and I want to show them why everyone wants to live in San Diego.[/quote]
The poll was my vain attempt at constructive criticism through humorous intentioned poll. Alas, PJ Rourke or TJ I am not.
Since a few people did not appreciate my sonnet, I regret if you felt slighted by one of my lines, that in retrospect was a little over the line. If you or anyone else wants this thread removed, I will request that Rich remove it.
People read your posts so you may want to project a less cavalier demeanor and channel your energies into a more cohesive dialogue to fight the knight – AG – and other fine messengers of our day.
PS
We don’t need more Disneyfied screech, all we need is freedom of speech.