I have Hurom juicer. I use I have Hurom juicer. I use it about once per week. I use the vitamix more because it’s better to consume all the fiber.
Juicero are for idiots who have no food knowledge and are looking for a magic bullet.
FlyerInHi
April 24, 2017 @
12:13 PM
If one is to use juicero, one If one is to use juicero, one might as well buy naked juice or something like that.. Processed pulp is not best for you. Better to make fresh from whole fruit and veggies. Plus consumer juices always have lots of sugar to make it “taste good” otherwise the dumb consumers won’t buy.
A big problem with juice packs is that the product is stored in plastic packs that are laced with chemicals from the manufacture process… whatever nasty chemical they use to make the plastic sheets smooth and non-stick. You’re ingesting all that crap… so no surprise you develop cancer 30 years later. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2873011
Drink fresh coconut water (not from bottles), juice or eat lots of fruit and veggies and you will have young, rosy, fresh, healthy complexion. It works.
FlyerInHi wrote:Drink fresh [quote=FlyerInHi]Drink fresh coconut water (not from bottles)[/quote]My brother in law buys whole young coconuts, drills two holes, sticks a straw in one, consumes while playing Hawaiian tunes on his ukulele, then gives the empty shell to his Mastiff who lines them up neatly by his giant doggy bed. Tastier than the canned stuff.
ucodegen
April 24, 2017 @
4:44 PM
I was looking at the color of I was looking at the color of the juice (supposedly orange juice) and the pulp and to me, it didn’t look quite right. The pressed pulp is florescent orange (dyes?) and the pulp doesn’t have the right consistency. It almost looks like shredded paper soaked in TANG. My family used to have orange trees and nothing out of the orange looks like that weird pulp (there is not enough pulp in the orange to match what they have in the bag as a ratio to the juice) There may also be preservatives in the bag because most ‘juices’ turn color shortly after being made due to oxidization.
4 ton press? I don’t think so. That unit is plastic. 4 tons is 8,000lbs of force. I know some epoxys that can take that force, but I don’t think they are certified for use on food.
I was also thinking of the ecological impact. Normal juice pulp breaks down when you mulch it – and it become good compost, however not when in a plastic container/pouch. That means that the byproduct of that juice is an almost equally sized plastic container going to the landfill – because it is not recyclable with the biomass inside.
— on the other hand I can go to a Whole foods, or other store, buy juice by the quart, half gallon or gallon container and when the container is empty, I just rinse and the container can go right to recycle. I end up paying less, the container pours fast then that ‘Juicero’ extracts the juice, and in the end the byproducts would be recyclable.
FlyerInHi
April 25, 2017 @
2:37 AM
ucodegen wrote:There may also [quote=ucodegen]There may also be preservatives in the bag because most ‘juices’ turn color shortly after being made due to oxidization.
[/quote]
Good point about oxydation within like 1/2 hour. Does not sound like the juicero stuff is very good. Might as well buy naked nice or bolthouse farm.
ucodegen
April 25, 2017 @
2:31 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:ucodegen [quote=FlyerInHi][quote=ucodegen]There may also be preservatives in the bag because most ‘juices’ turn color shortly after being made due to oxidization.
[/quote]
Good point about oxydation within like 1/2 hour. Does not sound like the juicero stuff is very good. Might as well buy naked nice or bolthouse farm.[/quote]
or even just eat the fruit – which comes in its own biodegradable container – or in some cases the container itself is edible. The nature made container also helps prevent oxydation of the contents for at least 8 days.. refrigeration not necessarily required.
SK in CV
April 24, 2017 @
8:14 PM
“So there’s never been “So there’s never been anything particularly magical about juice—apart from its popularity demonstrating how rich people are just as susceptible to marketing and misinformation as poor people. Just as fast-food chains and soda companies target members of low-income communities (admittedly, to more insidious effect), so do marketers target well-off white women by peddling 30-day juice cleanses, bone broth, cryotherapy, and vaginal steaming.”
SK in CV wrote:”So there’s [quote=SK in CV]”So there’s never been anything particularly magical about juice—apart from its popularity demonstrating how rich people are just as susceptible to marketing and misinformation as poor people. Just as fast-food chains and soda companies target members of low-income communities (admittedly, to more insidious effect), so do marketers target well-off white women by peddling 30-day juice cleanses, bone broth, cryotherapy, and vaginal steaming.”
Nothing magical except that it’s good dietary habit and adds more variety to your diet.
Sure, juicing won’t magically cure ills, but isn’t that better than eating all processed food? You can easily juice a dozen type veggies per week. I juice veggies i would not otherwise not consume.
I believe in bone broth. I make it and my dog eats all the bones that are soft from cooking. I just set the slow cooker on the patio for 30 hours. I refrigerate it and remove the fat. And my dog is the most beautiful at the park.
There’s no magic bullet, no 30 day treatment. You have to be consistent with your eating habit.
I don’t know…I look better and younger than my peers. So I think I’m doing something right.
SK in CV
April 25, 2017 @
6:19 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:
Nothing [quote=FlyerInHi]
Nothing magical except that it’s good dietary habit and adds more variety to your diet.
Sure, juicing won’t magically cure ills, but isn’t that better than eating all processed food? You can easily juice a dozen type veggies per week. I juice veggies i would not otherwise not consume. [/quote]
Isn’t it better? No. Putting fruits and vegetables through a juicer IS processing it. Better to just eat the fruit or vegetable rather than processing it through a juicer.
[quote=FlyerInHi]
I believe in bone broth. I make it and my dog eats all the bones that are soft from cooking. I just set the slow cooker on the patio for 30 hours. I refrigerate it and remove the fat. And my dog is the most beautiful at the park.
There’s no magic bullet, no 30 day treatment. You have to be consistent with your eating habit.
I don’t know…I look better and younger than my peers. So I think I’m doing something right.[/quote]
WTF does that even mean? You “believe” in it? Belief is a religious word. Belief requires that you abandon logic, and reach conclusions irrespective of evidence.
There is no evidence that staying consistent provides any benefits. Your own experience is a biased anecdote, and I suspect you’re right. You don’t know. Anecdotes are not data.
FlyerInHi
April 25, 2017 @
10:16 AM
SK, you’re right that juicing SK, you’re right that juicing is processing. Better to eat whole. However, there’s only so much you can eat, and some thing you may not eat often or don’t like to eat. For example ginger and bitter melon. I drink juice as medicine not for taste, kinda like Chinese medicine.
As far a belief, is not just faith. There is no hard data that hot dogs and white buns are bad. But we all know they’re bad.
The science of longevity is it’s infancy. But there is plenty of evidence that diet, exercise, and lifestyle habits affect health and longevity.
I am adherent to a holistic approach to health, go steady over a lifetime.
Society wants instant solutions and objective data. So we may think that an athlete with measurable performance is doing all the right things. But we don’t stop to think that the performance boosted by nutrition and “juicing'” can result in collapse later in life.
Anyway, i had many dogs in my life, retriever size dogs with average life of 12 years. Mine were always lean and lived to 18-20.
For those who need data, get some mice and experiment on your lab patio. San Diego has the perfect weather for that. You will get results within a year. Feed one control group the average American comfort food diet, no fresh veggies (if any veggies all cooked, processed and wilted veggies soaked in butter and cheese). . And feed another group, a 90% vegetarian diet, fresh fruit and veggies. All you can eat 24/7.
SK in CV
April 25, 2017 @
10:37 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:SK, you’re [quote=FlyerInHi]SK, you’re right that juicing is processing. Better to eat whole. However, there’s only so much you can eat, and some thing you may not eat often or don’t like to eat. For example ginger and bitter melon. I drink juice as medicine not for taste, kinda like Chinese medicine.
[/quote]
Do you know scientists call traditional Chinese medicine that has been proven to work? They call it medicine. Most of it, like acupuncture, is absolute garbage. Medicine is medicine. Juice is not medicine.
There is tons of data that hot dogs and white bread are bad for you. Not near as bad as they used to be. The use of nitrites in hot dogs has dropped more than 4/5ths in the last 40 years.
FlyerInHi
April 25, 2017 @
12:06 PM
SK in CV wrote:
Do you know [quote=SK in CV]
Do you know scientists call traditional Chinese medicine that has been proven to work? They call it medicine. Most of it, like acupuncture, is absolute garbage. Medicine is medicine. Juice is not medicine.
[/quote]
I would agree that acupuncture is mostly garbage. But would trust a good praticioner.
Yes juice is not medicine. It’s a figure of speech. I think it will help me so I bear the oftentimes bitter taste, like i would medicine. I acquired the taste and it don’t bother me no more.
I juice all kinds of veggies I buy at zions market. Veggies that I don’t get to eat.
My dog eats the pulp and her poop is perfect.
So maybe it’s faith like religion. It can’t hurt. Better than drinking soda. And I look younger than my peers who don’t share my dietary interests. I look forward to a friends reunion at age 80, 90 and 100. Why do you think I’m concerned about money? I plan to live a long time!
njtosd
April 25, 2017 @
11:23 AM
What’s wrong with just eating What’s wrong with just eating an apple and a carrot? Why do we need juice – which spills, unlike fresh fruit and vegetables and lacks a lot of the nourishment normally associated with F and V? Fruit and vegetables are pretty convenient as is. And the crunchiness is more satisfying.
I think the original high cost of this unit made people feel guilty – which in turn made them feel like they needed to buy the very expensive pouches
FlyerInHi
April 25, 2017 @
11:34 AM
The juicero is a flat press I The juicero is a flat press I think. How much force can that press? Maybe that’s why it’s no better than pressing by hand.
Did you guys see how they press sugar cane juice. It a roll press that squeezes a lot more.
FlyerInHi
April 25, 2017 @
1:17 PM
SK, talking about medicine, SK, talking about medicine, fruit and veggies juice is not a “scam” to be converned about.
The OTC market of “medicine” fleeces consumers of billion of dollars annually. Useless dietary supplements, cold medicine, etc… those are scams.
Even lots of drugs tare over prescribed and prescribed for the wrong reasons. They have long term effects, side effects and may shorten lifespan.
Call me kookoo, if you want. I was influenced by a “sect leader” aka professor back in the 80s, before the holistic lifestyle was fashionable. But the evidence is that close to 50, I have no ailments whatsoever, no aches, no pain, nothing. I can still ski the black diamond slopes. I have a flat stomach, no protruding stomach, not even a little bit. What percentage of the population can say that? And I’ve never contributed a cent to this faith.
SK in CV
April 25, 2017 @
2:07 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:SK, talking [quote=FlyerInHi]SK, talking about medicine, fruit and veggies juice is not a “scam” to be converned about.
The OTC market of “medicine” fleeces consumers of billion of dollars annually. Useless dietary supplements, cold medicine, etc… those are scams.
Even lots of drugs tare over prescribed and prescribed for the wrong reasons. They have long term effects, side effects and may shorten lifespan.
Call me kookoo, if you want. I was influenced by a “sect leader” aka professor back in the 80s, before the holistic lifestyle was fashionable. But the evidence is that close to 50, I have no ailments whatsoever, no aches, no pain, nothing. I can still ski the black diamond slopes. I have a flat stomach, no protruding stomach, not even a little bit. What percentage of the population can say that? And I’ve never contributed a cent to this faith.[/quote]
I’m quite sure I didn’t say that fruit and vegetable juice is a scam. The juicer is, as is any other product that promises or implies that it can make fruits or vegetable better than the original. Vegetables and a small amount of fruit should be part of any healthy diet.
I’m glad you’re healthy.
FlyerInHi
April 28, 2017 @
10:23 AM
haha, there’s a Chinese haha, there’s a Chinese company named Juisir. I like that name better.
April 24, 2017 @ 10:21 AM
Proof that tech investing has
Proof that tech investing has jumped the shark?
http://gizmodo.com/juicero-ceo-begs-you-do-not-open-our-juice-bags-1794507811
April 24, 2017 @ 10:55 AM
I have Hurom juicer. I use
I have Hurom juicer. I use it about once per week. I use the vitamix more because it’s better to consume all the fiber.
Juicero are for idiots who have no food knowledge and are looking for a magic bullet.
April 24, 2017 @ 12:13 PM
If one is to use juicero, one
If one is to use juicero, one might as well buy naked juice or something like that.. Processed pulp is not best for you. Better to make fresh from whole fruit and veggies. Plus consumer juices always have lots of sugar to make it “taste good” otherwise the dumb consumers won’t buy.
A big problem with juice packs is that the product is stored in plastic packs that are laced with chemicals from the manufacture process… whatever nasty chemical they use to make the plastic sheets smooth and non-stick. You’re ingesting all that crap… so no surprise you develop cancer 30 years later.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2873011
Drink fresh coconut water (not from bottles), juice or eat lots of fruit and veggies and you will have young, rosy, fresh, healthy complexion. It works.
Interesting article on Silicon Valley thinking:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/04/24/juicero-shows-whats-wrong-with-silicon-valley-thinking/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.29f9f7ec014d
April 25, 2017 @ 6:29 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:Drink fresh
[quote=FlyerInHi]Drink fresh coconut water (not from bottles)[/quote]My brother in law buys whole young coconuts, drills two holes, sticks a straw in one, consumes while playing Hawaiian tunes on his ukulele, then gives the empty shell to his Mastiff who lines them up neatly by his giant doggy bed. Tastier than the canned stuff.
April 24, 2017 @ 4:44 PM
I was looking at the color of
I was looking at the color of the juice (supposedly orange juice) and the pulp and to me, it didn’t look quite right. The pressed pulp is florescent orange (dyes?) and the pulp doesn’t have the right consistency. It almost looks like shredded paper soaked in TANG. My family used to have orange trees and nothing out of the orange looks like that weird pulp (there is not enough pulp in the orange to match what they have in the bag as a ratio to the juice) There may also be preservatives in the bag because most ‘juices’ turn color shortly after being made due to oxidization.
4 ton press? I don’t think so. That unit is plastic. 4 tons is 8,000lbs of force. I know some epoxys that can take that force, but I don’t think they are certified for use on food.
I was also thinking of the ecological impact. Normal juice pulp breaks down when you mulch it – and it become good compost, however not when in a plastic container/pouch. That means that the byproduct of that juice is an almost equally sized plastic container going to the landfill – because it is not recyclable with the biomass inside.
— on the other hand I can go to a Whole foods, or other store, buy juice by the quart, half gallon or gallon container and when the container is empty, I just rinse and the container can go right to recycle. I end up paying less, the container pours fast then that ‘Juicero’ extracts the juice, and in the end the byproducts would be recyclable.
April 25, 2017 @ 2:37 AM
ucodegen wrote:There may also
[quote=ucodegen]There may also be preservatives in the bag because most ‘juices’ turn color shortly after being made due to oxidization.
[/quote]
Good point about oxydation within like 1/2 hour. Does not sound like the juicero stuff is very good. Might as well buy naked nice or bolthouse farm.
April 25, 2017 @ 2:31 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:ucodegen
[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=ucodegen]There may also be preservatives in the bag because most ‘juices’ turn color shortly after being made due to oxidization.
[/quote]
Good point about oxydation within like 1/2 hour. Does not sound like the juicero stuff is very good. Might as well buy naked nice or bolthouse farm.[/quote]
or even just eat the fruit – which comes in its own biodegradable container – or in some cases the container itself is edible. The nature made container also helps prevent oxydation of the contents for at least 8 days.. refrigeration not necessarily required.
April 24, 2017 @ 8:14 PM
“So there’s never been
“So there’s never been anything particularly magical about juice—apart from its popularity demonstrating how rich people are just as susceptible to marketing and misinformation as poor people. Just as fast-food chains and soda companies target members of low-income communities (admittedly, to more insidious effect), so do marketers target well-off white women by peddling 30-day juice cleanses, bone broth, cryotherapy, and vaginal steaming.”
https://qz.com/965505/juicero-turns-out-to-be-pointless-so-is-juice-itself/
April 25, 2017 @ 2:22 AM
SK in CV wrote:”So there’s
[quote=SK in CV]”So there’s never been anything particularly magical about juice—apart from its popularity demonstrating how rich people are just as susceptible to marketing and misinformation as poor people. Just as fast-food chains and soda companies target members of low-income communities (admittedly, to more insidious effect), so do marketers target well-off white women by peddling 30-day juice cleanses, bone broth, cryotherapy, and vaginal steaming.”
https://qz.com/965505/juicero-turns-out-to-be-pointless-so-is-juice-itself/
[/quote]
Nothing magical except that it’s good dietary habit and adds more variety to your diet.
Sure, juicing won’t magically cure ills, but isn’t that better than eating all processed food? You can easily juice a dozen type veggies per week. I juice veggies i would not otherwise not consume.
I believe in bone broth. I make it and my dog eats all the bones that are soft from cooking. I just set the slow cooker on the patio for 30 hours. I refrigerate it and remove the fat. And my dog is the most beautiful at the park.
There’s no magic bullet, no 30 day treatment. You have to be consistent with your eating habit.
I don’t know…I look better and younger than my peers. So I think I’m doing something right.
April 25, 2017 @ 6:19 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:
Nothing
[quote=FlyerInHi]
Nothing magical except that it’s good dietary habit and adds more variety to your diet.
Sure, juicing won’t magically cure ills, but isn’t that better than eating all processed food? You can easily juice a dozen type veggies per week. I juice veggies i would not otherwise not consume. [/quote]
Isn’t it better? No. Putting fruits and vegetables through a juicer IS processing it. Better to just eat the fruit or vegetable rather than processing it through a juicer.
[quote=FlyerInHi]
I believe in bone broth. I make it and my dog eats all the bones that are soft from cooking. I just set the slow cooker on the patio for 30 hours. I refrigerate it and remove the fat. And my dog is the most beautiful at the park.
There’s no magic bullet, no 30 day treatment. You have to be consistent with your eating habit.
I don’t know…I look better and younger than my peers. So I think I’m doing something right.[/quote]
WTF does that even mean? You “believe” in it? Belief is a religious word. Belief requires that you abandon logic, and reach conclusions irrespective of evidence.
There is no evidence that staying consistent provides any benefits. Your own experience is a biased anecdote, and I suspect you’re right. You don’t know. Anecdotes are not data.
April 25, 2017 @ 10:16 AM
SK, you’re right that juicing
SK, you’re right that juicing is processing. Better to eat whole. However, there’s only so much you can eat, and some thing you may not eat often or don’t like to eat. For example ginger and bitter melon. I drink juice as medicine not for taste, kinda like Chinese medicine.
As far a belief, is not just faith. There is no hard data that hot dogs and white buns are bad. But we all know they’re bad.
The science of longevity is it’s infancy. But there is plenty of evidence that diet, exercise, and lifestyle habits affect health and longevity.
I am adherent to a holistic approach to health, go steady over a lifetime.
Society wants instant solutions and objective data. So we may think that an athlete with measurable performance is doing all the right things. But we don’t stop to think that the performance boosted by nutrition and “juicing'” can result in collapse later in life.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2013/06/07/90-year-old-billionaire-david-murdock-doles-out-advice-on-longevity/amp/
Anyway, i had many dogs in my life, retriever size dogs with average life of 12 years. Mine were always lean and lived to 18-20.
For those who need data, get some mice and experiment on your lab patio. San Diego has the perfect weather for that. You will get results within a year. Feed one control group the average American comfort food diet, no fresh veggies (if any veggies all cooked, processed and wilted veggies soaked in butter and cheese). . And feed another group, a 90% vegetarian diet, fresh fruit and veggies. All you can eat 24/7.
April 25, 2017 @ 10:37 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:SK, you’re
[quote=FlyerInHi]SK, you’re right that juicing is processing. Better to eat whole. However, there’s only so much you can eat, and some thing you may not eat often or don’t like to eat. For example ginger and bitter melon. I drink juice as medicine not for taste, kinda like Chinese medicine.
[/quote]
Do you know scientists call traditional Chinese medicine that has been proven to work? They call it medicine. Most of it, like acupuncture, is absolute garbage. Medicine is medicine. Juice is not medicine.
There is tons of data that hot dogs and white bread are bad for you. Not near as bad as they used to be. The use of nitrites in hot dogs has dropped more than 4/5ths in the last 40 years.
April 25, 2017 @ 12:06 PM
SK in CV wrote:
Do you know
[quote=SK in CV]
Do you know scientists call traditional Chinese medicine that has been proven to work? They call it medicine. Most of it, like acupuncture, is absolute garbage. Medicine is medicine. Juice is not medicine.
[/quote]
I would agree that acupuncture is mostly garbage. But would trust a good praticioner.
Yes juice is not medicine. It’s a figure of speech. I think it will help me so I bear the oftentimes bitter taste, like i would medicine. I acquired the taste and it don’t bother me no more.
I juice all kinds of veggies I buy at zions market. Veggies that I don’t get to eat.
My dog eats the pulp and her poop is perfect.
So maybe it’s faith like religion. It can’t hurt. Better than drinking soda. And I look younger than my peers who don’t share my dietary interests. I look forward to a friends reunion at age 80, 90 and 100. Why do you think I’m concerned about money? I plan to live a long time!
April 25, 2017 @ 11:23 AM
What’s wrong with just eating
What’s wrong with just eating an apple and a carrot? Why do we need juice – which spills, unlike fresh fruit and vegetables and lacks a lot of the nourishment normally associated with F and V? Fruit and vegetables are pretty convenient as is. And the crunchiness is more satisfying.
I think the original high cost of this unit made people feel guilty – which in turn made them feel like they needed to buy the very expensive pouches
April 25, 2017 @ 11:34 AM
The juicero is a flat press I
The juicero is a flat press I think. How much force can that press? Maybe that’s why it’s no better than pressing by hand.
Did you guys see how they press sugar cane juice. It a roll press that squeezes a lot more.
April 25, 2017 @ 1:17 PM
SK, talking about medicine,
SK, talking about medicine, fruit and veggies juice is not a “scam” to be converned about.
The OTC market of “medicine” fleeces consumers of billion of dollars annually. Useless dietary supplements, cold medicine, etc… those are scams.
Even lots of drugs tare over prescribed and prescribed for the wrong reasons. They have long term effects, side effects and may shorten lifespan.
Call me kookoo, if you want. I was influenced by a “sect leader” aka professor back in the 80s, before the holistic lifestyle was fashionable. But the evidence is that close to 50, I have no ailments whatsoever, no aches, no pain, nothing. I can still ski the black diamond slopes. I have a flat stomach, no protruding stomach, not even a little bit. What percentage of the population can say that? And I’ve never contributed a cent to this faith.
April 25, 2017 @ 2:07 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:SK, talking
[quote=FlyerInHi]SK, talking about medicine, fruit and veggies juice is not a “scam” to be converned about.
The OTC market of “medicine” fleeces consumers of billion of dollars annually. Useless dietary supplements, cold medicine, etc… those are scams.
Even lots of drugs tare over prescribed and prescribed for the wrong reasons. They have long term effects, side effects and may shorten lifespan.
Call me kookoo, if you want. I was influenced by a “sect leader” aka professor back in the 80s, before the holistic lifestyle was fashionable. But the evidence is that close to 50, I have no ailments whatsoever, no aches, no pain, nothing. I can still ski the black diamond slopes. I have a flat stomach, no protruding stomach, not even a little bit. What percentage of the population can say that? And I’ve never contributed a cent to this faith.[/quote]
I’m quite sure I didn’t say that fruit and vegetable juice is a scam. The juicer is, as is any other product that promises or implies that it can make fruits or vegetable better than the original. Vegetables and a small amount of fruit should be part of any healthy diet.
I’m glad you’re healthy.
April 28, 2017 @ 10:23 AM
haha, there’s a Chinese
haha, there’s a Chinese company named Juisir. I like that name better.
http://www.juisir.com/home
Juicero or Juisir need to partner with a big food company to sell the bag of juice. They need a supermarket supply chain.
I wouldn’t buy it, but American consumers like convenience with a hint of “health for the family”.