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Participant[quote=Hobie]Actual deaths should drive the amount of induced panic.
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By that logic, if a tsunami is heading your way, and you have a two-hour warning, you should ignore that warning and wait until the tsunami has hit and people have died before you start worrying about the tsunami.Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=zk]
If the government wasn’t failing to keep up with the situation, it might be reasonable to keep politics out of it. But government failure is a big part of the problem right now.
[/quote]It mystifies me how people can simultaneously say the government is failing to deal with something, then turn right back to the government to fix the problem.[/quote]
Really? That mystifies you? Amazing. It’s not complicated at all. I don’t understand how anybody can be mystified by something so simple.
So you think that anything that is failing should be completely abandoned? We should immediately dump any failing party and try to find someone/something else to fix the situation? No attempts at correcting their failings should be attempted?
Now I’m mystified.
ParticipantThis:
“The right-wing media’s contempt for truth has never been more dangerous”
Combined with this:
Asked to name media companies in which they have trust, 65% of Republicans named Fox News.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/donald-trump-fox-news/index.html
isn’t helping the situation, either.
Participant[quote=sdduuuude]
Glad to see Hobie is offering up the “closing schools seems like overkill” opinion. I tend to lean that way as well.
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The CDC would disagree.[quote=sdduuuude]
Also glad to see that there is some reasonable discussion going on here. Hoping we can keep the politics out of it.
[/quote]If the government wasn’t failing to keep up with the situation, it might be reasonable to keep politics out of it. But government failure is a big part of the problem right now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/coronavirus-testing-challenges.html
This is what you get when you have a president who values loyalty over competence and fills his administration with toadies and yes-men:
The scramble for solutions is occurring in an overriding atmosphere of trepidation of saying something that Trump might perceive as disloyal and of fear that their fumbles could cost the president his reelection in November.
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I am not sure how anyone can say that the government is late in dealing with this since 60 people have died in two weeks while 100 die every day in automobile accidents.
[/quote]Identifying cases of COVID-19 can prevent spread. Identifying them early can prevent spread much more effectively than identifying them late. There is no comparable situation with car accidents.
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Not 1 person in San Diego has died and all the schools are closed.
[/quote]Exactly. To wait until people start dying would be to wait way too long.
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I put those together and it sounds like just another flu to me.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-flu.html[quote=sdduuuude]
Lastly, I wonder if the overall effect of just letting the thing run its course would, in the end, be less disruptive than trying to stop it and having it not really work and everyone gets it anyway.
[/quote]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/science/coronavirus-curve-mitigation-infection.html
[quote=sdduuuude]
I also wanted to say that it is really annoying when you all change names. It degrades the site alot, makes it impossible to follow and I just skip all the posts because I don’t know who the hell is saying what. And you are just bitching at each other mindlessly anyway so I don’t feel like I am missing much by skipping through it.
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Not “you all.” Just flu. Brian once, a long time ago. Flu constantly spamming with a bunch of childish nonsense. I agree that it degrades the site a lot.
Participant[quote=Hobie]zk: you are too smart to be drinking the koolaid.
Back in 2009 the swine flu now called H1N1 was the epidemic virus. It appears every year from then on.
Some reading:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.htmlThe difference is the press response and the resulting public frenzy.
Something to think about.[/quote]
I don’t see anything in that article that negates or counters anything in the articles I cited (nor the points that I was making).So apparently I’m not smart enough to understand your point. But before you get back to let me know what your point was, read this:
[quote=Hobie]
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/community-mitigation-strategy.pdf
Basically it says: if you are sick, stay home. Wash hands a lot. Don’t be stupid. And it doesn’t say to run to doctor and get a test. Remember most recover from it and don’e die.
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That is NOT what it says. Not by a long shot. In fact, it says to do exactly what you seemed to blame the media for hyping and called “overkill.”
The CDC memo that you provide shows that the CDC does indeed think we should cancel large gatherings and take many other measures besides washing our hands more and staying home if we’re sick.
Those were NOT the media’s ideas. If the media are spreading information about what the CDC says we need to do, that’s a good thing, not a bad thing.
From the CDC memo you cited:
Under “Potential mitigation activities according to level of community transmission or impact of COVID-19 by setting”
Under “community” in the “minimal to moderate” level of community spread section:
“• Implement social distancing measures: » Reduce activities (e.g., group congregation, religious services), especially for organizations with individuals at increased risk of severe illness. » Consider offering video/audio of events. • Determine ways to continue providing support services to individuals at increased risk of severe disease (services, meals, checking in) while limiting group settings and exposures. • Cancel large gatherings (e.g., >250 people, though threshold is at the discretion of the community) or move to smaller groupings. • For organizations that serve high-risk populations, cancel gatherings of more than 10 people.”
Under “workplace” “minimal to moderate” level of community spread section:
• Encourage staff to telework (when feasible), particularly individuals at increased risk of severe illness. • Implement social distancing measures: » Increasing physical space between workers at the worksite » Staggering work schedules » Decreasing social contacts in the workplace (e.g., limit in-person meetings, meeting for lunch in a break room, etc.) • Limit large work-related gatherings (e.g., staff meetings, after-work functions). • Limit non-essential work travel. • Consider regular health checks (e.g., temperature and respiratory symptom screening) of staff and visitors entering buildings (if feasible).
Under “schools/childcare” “minimal to moderate” level of community spread section:
• Implement social distancing measures: » Reduce the frequency of large gatherings (e.g., assemblies), and limit the number of attendees per gathering. » Alter schedules to reduce mixing (e.g., stagger recess, entry/dismissal times) » Limit inter-school interactions » Consider distance or e-learning in some settings • Consider regular health checks (e.g., temperature and respiratory symptom screening) of students, staff, and visitors (if feasible). • Short-term dismissals for school and extracurricular activities as needed (e.g., if cases in staff/students) for cleaning and contact tracing. • Students at increased risk of severe illness should consider implementing individual plans for distance learning, e-learning.
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“Public health control activities by level of COVID-19 community transmission”Under “none to minimal” community spread:
• Test individuals with signs and
symptoms compatible with COVID-19Participant[quote=Hobie]Closing schools and cancelling school sports, performances, and other activities in light of no students currently infected seems a bit overkill. IMHO
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Experts would disagree:
If we don’t flatten the curve, this could be the result:
Participant[quote=zk][quote=svelte][quote=Myriad]Pretty sure Trump’s plan is to ignore it. If it becomes a problem, deny it and complain about the media. That way, it will just spread and no containment is needed.
[/quote]It’s a pretty interesting situation when you stop and think about it. Trump and his sheep have disliked the global society concept and have thrown up roadblocks to globalization under the guise of protecting jobs…and then this pops up almost as a proof point that globalization is bad.
Yet, this may be the very thing that dooms his re-election. If the stock market keeps tanking, if production lines stay closed, if thousands of people die, people may re-think whether his cuts to the CDC and other programs were such a wise thing and whether four years of Trump have left them better than before.
Still nine months until the election…if this thing really takes off it really changes the political landscape…
This may end up being a very unique, interesting year.[/quote]
I think the opposite is more likely. The coronavirus doesn’t affect the U.S. any more than SARS did. Everything turns out fine, no thanks to trump. Trump takes credit for everything turning out fine. Trump wins.[/quote]
Now that I think about it, the likely scenario, politically, has nothing to do with the reality of how trump deals with the situation. Or what happens with the virus. No matter what happens, right-wing propaganda will portray trump as the hero, and liberals as the villains. Tens of millions of ignorant, pathetic chumps will, as usual, fall for it
Participant[quote=svelte]
It has two rolls of toilet paper.
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Wow. I was so engrossed in the story, I forgot we were talking about toilet paper. Who knew the coronavirus could turn that line into a punch line of sorts? A cool story (not sarcastic), that the coronavirus suddenly made funnier and more relevant.
Participant[quote=svelte][quote=Myriad]Pretty sure Trump’s plan is to ignore it. If it becomes a problem, deny it and complain about the media. That way, it will just spread and no containment is needed.
[/quote]It’s a pretty interesting situation when you stop and think about it. Trump and his sheep have disliked the global society concept and have thrown up roadblocks to globalization under the guise of protecting jobs…and then this pops up almost as a proof point that globalization is bad.
Yet, this may be the very thing that dooms his re-election. If the stock market keeps tanking, if production lines stay closed, if thousands of people die, people may re-think whether his cuts to the CDC and other programs were such a wise thing and whether four years of Trump have left them better than before.
Still nine months until the election…if this thing really takes off it really changes the political landscape…
This may end up being a very unique, interesting year.[/quote]
I think the opposite is more likely. The coronavirus doesn’t affect the U.S. any more than SARS did. Everything turns out fine, no thanks to trump. Trump takes credit for everything turning out fine. Trump wins.
Participant[quote=flu]
You do tend to only post about GOP destroying this country all the time on real estate blog at nauseating frequency.
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It’s a real estate blog, but it’s not strictly a real estate forum. The forum has evolved as real estate evolved from what was a huge but mostly denied (by the general public and by those who should’ve known better) bubble all the way down to undervalued and back to overvalued (but not bubbly). Real estate became less interesting when everybody else finally figured out what was going on. But we had assembled a collection of relatively reasonable people, and we found other things to talk about. That’s a good thing.[quote=flu]
There were a few times you posted annoying swipes at religion ( I’m not religious) and various other things. Not sure I understand the point of this either on a real estate blog.
[/quote]If that’s your standard, why do you post about cars, tech, and other non-real estate-related subjects?
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I’m simply posting at the same level the few people that brought the blog down to this level has already done so all this time.
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Nobody else has strayed as far as you into childish, thread-clogging mockery. You’ve brought more nonsense to this forum than anybody recently. And anyway, why would you do that? Why would you respond to what you see as nonsense with what you know is nonsense? How is that helping anything? How is that doing anything except allowing you to have a little bit of (very childish) fun at the expense of those who want to discuss things that might be important or interesting to them?
[quote=flu]If you’re unhappy this blog looks like horseshit, well don’t bring your horse here. Now that it all looks like horseshit no horseshitter has an audience.
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Ah, the old love it or leave it argument. No, I prefer to try to improve it.
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Don’t worry, once a blog looks like horseshit, the horeshitters usually get bored and move onto another blog to stir horseshit up.
[/quote]Well, let’s hope it doesn’t take you too long to get bored.
Participant[quote=flu]95% of the shit we post we don’t even mean[/quote]
Speak for yourself, flu.
It’s that kind of shit that ruins a forum, not whatever Brian is doing. Or sprdun. They’re expressing their opinions, however goofy you might think they are. If you disagree with them, you can ignore them or you can tell us why you disagree using reason. But resorting to pure mockery is childish and stupid. Worse, it makes you look like you have no real comeback to what they’re saying. Even worse, posting shit you don’t mean is how forums become completely irrelevant and die.
If you care about this forum, knock it off. If you don’t care about this forum or you think it’s already irrelevant, then leave.
Of course a third option would be to continue to be a selfish jackass, having some fun at the expense of those who do care about this forum.
ParticipantIt’s more than just the media. The right-wing propaganda machine includes a very strong social media component. It also includes quite a few other deplorable tactics.
Participant[quote=zk]
Of course, just because you (seem to) support the republican party in general doesn’t mean you support all their policies. If you think eating uninspected food is uncivilized, it seems like you’d be against that particular proposal.
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And what might have led you to think that I agree with everything Republicans say and do?
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You’re not reading very carefully.
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And I’ll ask again, what does how this thing that the Republicans are trying to do (as outlandish as it is) have anything to do with what is going on in China right now to have been brought up in this context in this thread? Why not bring up the leaded water in Flint, Michigan while we are at it?Totally bizarre.[/quote]
It was mildly off topic. No need to get your panties in a wad.
It was relevant, tangentially at best, because you have said (or implied…or maybe I inferred) that you are for smaller government. But in this thread you seemed to be quite taken aback by people eating uninspected food. I merely pointed out that the party you seem to support is taking steps in a direction that could lead to millions of Americans eating uninspected food.
Participant[quote=flu]
No, I said the entire food system in China is uncivilized[/quote]
That’s not what you said. you said eating snakes is uncivilized:[quote=flu]
People initially got it from eatting snakes. Come on now, really? Geesh. Talk about uncivilized.[/quote]
[quote=flu]
You are crazy if you comparing the Chinese government to the Republicans… The worst Republicans and Progressives are still light years ahead of the shit that goes on in China.[/quote]
I’m not comparing the Chinese government to the republicans. I’m saying that if you think eating uninspected food is uncivilized, you should disagree with republicans’ attempts to leave oversight of inspection to those who can profit from the lack thereof.
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