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April 1, 2010 at 9:55 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #534359April 1, 2010 at 9:55 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #534487stansdParticipant
I haven’t actually done this because I still believe my companiy’s stock will go up, so I don’t want to unload my calls. I’ve actually purchased additional calls on my company in the market, which, being a finance guy well versed in diversification is a dumb thing to do.
When the time is right, though, I will write naked calls (you actually aren’t naked when you have a perfect offset). I’m 100% vested, and have little fear of getting fired or laid off. This is actually a bigger issue than just hedging. If you excercise calls early, you give up option value, so I’d rather pocket that premium by selling naked calls in the market and running the other discussed risks than exercising early.
Put call parity says Stock + Put = Call + Present value of excercise price.
Another way to do this same thing (effectively sell the call), then, would be to Short the Stock & Sell puts at the same strike as the call. There’s a bit more to the mechanics, but I don’t have time to think it through right now. Technically, you’d invest the proceeds in a CD or the like, but usually, you don’t actually get the funds from the short if you aren’t a hedge fund (if someone has found a way to do this on a small scale, please let me know)
Good luck,
Stan
April 1, 2010 at 9:55 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #534946stansdParticipantI haven’t actually done this because I still believe my companiy’s stock will go up, so I don’t want to unload my calls. I’ve actually purchased additional calls on my company in the market, which, being a finance guy well versed in diversification is a dumb thing to do.
When the time is right, though, I will write naked calls (you actually aren’t naked when you have a perfect offset). I’m 100% vested, and have little fear of getting fired or laid off. This is actually a bigger issue than just hedging. If you excercise calls early, you give up option value, so I’d rather pocket that premium by selling naked calls in the market and running the other discussed risks than exercising early.
Put call parity says Stock + Put = Call + Present value of excercise price.
Another way to do this same thing (effectively sell the call), then, would be to Short the Stock & Sell puts at the same strike as the call. There’s a bit more to the mechanics, but I don’t have time to think it through right now. Technically, you’d invest the proceeds in a CD or the like, but usually, you don’t actually get the funds from the short if you aren’t a hedge fund (if someone has found a way to do this on a small scale, please let me know)
Good luck,
Stan
April 1, 2010 at 9:55 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #535044stansdParticipantI haven’t actually done this because I still believe my companiy’s stock will go up, so I don’t want to unload my calls. I’ve actually purchased additional calls on my company in the market, which, being a finance guy well versed in diversification is a dumb thing to do.
When the time is right, though, I will write naked calls (you actually aren’t naked when you have a perfect offset). I’m 100% vested, and have little fear of getting fired or laid off. This is actually a bigger issue than just hedging. If you excercise calls early, you give up option value, so I’d rather pocket that premium by selling naked calls in the market and running the other discussed risks than exercising early.
Put call parity says Stock + Put = Call + Present value of excercise price.
Another way to do this same thing (effectively sell the call), then, would be to Short the Stock & Sell puts at the same strike as the call. There’s a bit more to the mechanics, but I don’t have time to think it through right now. Technically, you’d invest the proceeds in a CD or the like, but usually, you don’t actually get the funds from the short if you aren’t a hedge fund (if someone has found a way to do this on a small scale, please let me know)
Good luck,
Stan
April 1, 2010 at 9:55 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #535307stansdParticipantI haven’t actually done this because I still believe my companiy’s stock will go up, so I don’t want to unload my calls. I’ve actually purchased additional calls on my company in the market, which, being a finance guy well versed in diversification is a dumb thing to do.
When the time is right, though, I will write naked calls (you actually aren’t naked when you have a perfect offset). I’m 100% vested, and have little fear of getting fired or laid off. This is actually a bigger issue than just hedging. If you excercise calls early, you give up option value, so I’d rather pocket that premium by selling naked calls in the market and running the other discussed risks than exercising early.
Put call parity says Stock + Put = Call + Present value of excercise price.
Another way to do this same thing (effectively sell the call), then, would be to Short the Stock & Sell puts at the same strike as the call. There’s a bit more to the mechanics, but I don’t have time to think it through right now. Technically, you’d invest the proceeds in a CD or the like, but usually, you don’t actually get the funds from the short if you aren’t a hedge fund (if someone has found a way to do this on a small scale, please let me know)
Good luck,
Stan
April 1, 2010 at 8:46 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #534328stansdParticipantI’ve thought about this quite a bit on my own account. The best hedge against owning an option is to, well, sell it. You can’t do that directly through your employer, but you can write call options on the market (with a strike and maturity as close as possible to the ones you own from the company). If the company does well, you owe on your written calls and make money on the company calls. If it does poorly, you pocket the premium on the written calls, which hedges your downside. you’d have to see an accountant because there are potential tax consequences if the government considers it a wash sale.
Also beware of getting fired because you could lose the offset to your position in the market.
Other potential options as mentioned are to short the stock-not recommended, or to buy high strike puts on the stock, which is an expensive strategy.
Would write more, but have to get my daughter to bed.
Stan
April 1, 2010 at 8:46 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #534457stansdParticipantI’ve thought about this quite a bit on my own account. The best hedge against owning an option is to, well, sell it. You can’t do that directly through your employer, but you can write call options on the market (with a strike and maturity as close as possible to the ones you own from the company). If the company does well, you owe on your written calls and make money on the company calls. If it does poorly, you pocket the premium on the written calls, which hedges your downside. you’d have to see an accountant because there are potential tax consequences if the government considers it a wash sale.
Also beware of getting fired because you could lose the offset to your position in the market.
Other potential options as mentioned are to short the stock-not recommended, or to buy high strike puts on the stock, which is an expensive strategy.
Would write more, but have to get my daughter to bed.
Stan
April 1, 2010 at 8:46 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #534916stansdParticipantI’ve thought about this quite a bit on my own account. The best hedge against owning an option is to, well, sell it. You can’t do that directly through your employer, but you can write call options on the market (with a strike and maturity as close as possible to the ones you own from the company). If the company does well, you owe on your written calls and make money on the company calls. If it does poorly, you pocket the premium on the written calls, which hedges your downside. you’d have to see an accountant because there are potential tax consequences if the government considers it a wash sale.
Also beware of getting fired because you could lose the offset to your position in the market.
Other potential options as mentioned are to short the stock-not recommended, or to buy high strike puts on the stock, which is an expensive strategy.
Would write more, but have to get my daughter to bed.
Stan
April 1, 2010 at 8:46 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #535013stansdParticipantI’ve thought about this quite a bit on my own account. The best hedge against owning an option is to, well, sell it. You can’t do that directly through your employer, but you can write call options on the market (with a strike and maturity as close as possible to the ones you own from the company). If the company does well, you owe on your written calls and make money on the company calls. If it does poorly, you pocket the premium on the written calls, which hedges your downside. you’d have to see an accountant because there are potential tax consequences if the government considers it a wash sale.
Also beware of getting fired because you could lose the offset to your position in the market.
Other potential options as mentioned are to short the stock-not recommended, or to buy high strike puts on the stock, which is an expensive strategy.
Would write more, but have to get my daughter to bed.
Stan
April 1, 2010 at 8:46 PM in reply to: Strategies for protecting stock options/stock plan granted shares #535277stansdParticipantI’ve thought about this quite a bit on my own account. The best hedge against owning an option is to, well, sell it. You can’t do that directly through your employer, but you can write call options on the market (with a strike and maturity as close as possible to the ones you own from the company). If the company does well, you owe on your written calls and make money on the company calls. If it does poorly, you pocket the premium on the written calls, which hedges your downside. you’d have to see an accountant because there are potential tax consequences if the government considers it a wash sale.
Also beware of getting fired because you could lose the offset to your position in the market.
Other potential options as mentioned are to short the stock-not recommended, or to buy high strike puts on the stock, which is an expensive strategy.
Would write more, but have to get my daughter to bed.
Stan
stansdParticipantVery good info. Thank you all. I had no idea principal right downs were so rare.
Any other thoughts on interest rate, etc. are welcome. The other nut to crack is how to insure countrywide steps out.
Stan
stansdParticipantVery good info. Thank you all. I had no idea principal right downs were so rare.
Any other thoughts on interest rate, etc. are welcome. The other nut to crack is how to insure countrywide steps out.
Stan
stansdParticipantVery good info. Thank you all. I had no idea principal right downs were so rare.
Any other thoughts on interest rate, etc. are welcome. The other nut to crack is how to insure countrywide steps out.
Stan
stansdParticipantVery good info. Thank you all. I had no idea principal right downs were so rare.
Any other thoughts on interest rate, etc. are welcome. The other nut to crack is how to insure countrywide steps out.
Stan
stansdParticipantVery good info. Thank you all. I had no idea principal right downs were so rare.
Any other thoughts on interest rate, etc. are welcome. The other nut to crack is how to insure countrywide steps out.
Stan
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