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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Conspicuously absent from Paddy and Scarlet’s (Rt.66) responses has been the “why” behind GM’s demise.
Advocating and agitating for a “Buy American” program when you are unwilling and unable to address why GM went bankrupt in the first place is the worst kind of knee jerk jingoism there is.
Why not take the time and review the 1970s and 1980s and Detroit’s absolute arrogance when it came to their customers? [/quote]
I think we’ve been down this road before but, this is a deservedly long post and yours a deservedly valid point.
It is 2009.
Auto industry observers who have been around awhile might arguably admit that the 1970’s and 80’s were not the best of times for the American Auto Industry.
And, arguably, we let / helped the Japanese point that out to us ( The Big 3 ) and major strides in American quality were made.
But, with all due respect, that was pretty much 30 to 40 years ago. Almost half a century now.
There have been a lot of crummy imports of all ethnicities before, during and along the way.
American Made cars have proven to be just as good as / reliable as any of the imports for maybe 20 years or more now.
How many years does it take before one let’s go of the past and grasps the present and future of the American auto industry ?
As for the present, my original point to this post was basically, what can we as Americans do now, to ensure that what we “let” the Japanese do to us 35 years ago not happen again with Korea, India and China. Must history continue to repeat itself ?
So sports fans, poetry lovers and fellow Americanos – (just trying to lighten things up a bit).
Take a teenie, tiny, itsy-bitsy step, and join me in respectfully asking Jeff Bridges to deep six the Hyundai voice-overs, jump ship to his “alma mater” and prove, once and for all, that charity begins at home.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3395358
It may be YOUR job that’s on the line next.
HIE-YUN-DIE does NOT rhyme with Sunday.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Conspicuously absent from Paddy and Scarlet’s (Rt.66) responses has been the “why” behind GM’s demise.
Advocating and agitating for a “Buy American” program when you are unwilling and unable to address why GM went bankrupt in the first place is the worst kind of knee jerk jingoism there is.
Why not take the time and review the 1970s and 1980s and Detroit’s absolute arrogance when it came to their customers? [/quote]
I think we’ve been down this road before but, this is a deservedly long post and yours a deservedly valid point.
It is 2009.
Auto industry observers who have been around awhile might arguably admit that the 1970’s and 80’s were not the best of times for the American Auto Industry.
And, arguably, we let / helped the Japanese point that out to us ( The Big 3 ) and major strides in American quality were made.
But, with all due respect, that was pretty much 30 to 40 years ago. Almost half a century now.
There have been a lot of crummy imports of all ethnicities before, during and along the way.
American Made cars have proven to be just as good as / reliable as any of the imports for maybe 20 years or more now.
How many years does it take before one let’s go of the past and grasps the present and future of the American auto industry ?
As for the present, my original point to this post was basically, what can we as Americans do now, to ensure that what we “let” the Japanese do to us 35 years ago not happen again with Korea, India and China. Must history continue to repeat itself ?
So sports fans, poetry lovers and fellow Americanos – (just trying to lighten things up a bit).
Take a teenie, tiny, itsy-bitsy step, and join me in respectfully asking Jeff Bridges to deep six the Hyundai voice-overs, jump ship to his “alma mater” and prove, once and for all, that charity begins at home.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3395358
It may be YOUR job that’s on the line next.
HIE-YUN-DIE does NOT rhyme with Sunday.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Conspicuously absent from Paddy and Scarlet’s (Rt.66) responses has been the “why” behind GM’s demise.
Advocating and agitating for a “Buy American” program when you are unwilling and unable to address why GM went bankrupt in the first place is the worst kind of knee jerk jingoism there is.
Why not take the time and review the 1970s and 1980s and Detroit’s absolute arrogance when it came to their customers? [/quote]
I think we’ve been down this road before but, this is a deservedly long post and yours a deservedly valid point.
It is 2009.
Auto industry observers who have been around awhile might arguably admit that the 1970’s and 80’s were not the best of times for the American Auto Industry.
And, arguably, we let / helped the Japanese point that out to us ( The Big 3 ) and major strides in American quality were made.
But, with all due respect, that was pretty much 30 to 40 years ago. Almost half a century now.
There have been a lot of crummy imports of all ethnicities before, during and along the way.
American Made cars have proven to be just as good as / reliable as any of the imports for maybe 20 years or more now.
How many years does it take before one let’s go of the past and grasps the present and future of the American auto industry ?
As for the present, my original point to this post was basically, what can we as Americans do now, to ensure that what we “let” the Japanese do to us 35 years ago not happen again with Korea, India and China. Must history continue to repeat itself ?
So sports fans, poetry lovers and fellow Americanos – (just trying to lighten things up a bit).
Take a teenie, tiny, itsy-bitsy step, and join me in respectfully asking Jeff Bridges to deep six the Hyundai voice-overs, jump ship to his “alma mater” and prove, once and for all, that charity begins at home.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3395358
It may be YOUR job that’s on the line next.
HIE-YUN-DIE does NOT rhyme with Sunday.
Participant[quote=flu]
Anyway, I find it interesting when folks tout they should go out and spend and “buy american” when in fact most americans these days should be doing completely the opposite…NOT spend at all….[/quote]
Point taken.
My statements are assuming one has the means to purchase an automobile to begin with.
Participant[quote=flu]
Anyway, I find it interesting when folks tout they should go out and spend and “buy american” when in fact most americans these days should be doing completely the opposite…NOT spend at all….[/quote]
Point taken.
My statements are assuming one has the means to purchase an automobile to begin with.
Participant[quote=flu]
Anyway, I find it interesting when folks tout they should go out and spend and “buy american” when in fact most americans these days should be doing completely the opposite…NOT spend at all….[/quote]
Point taken.
My statements are assuming one has the means to purchase an automobile to begin with.
Participant[quote=flu]
Anyway, I find it interesting when folks tout they should go out and spend and “buy american” when in fact most americans these days should be doing completely the opposite…NOT spend at all….[/quote]
Point taken.
My statements are assuming one has the means to purchase an automobile to begin with.
Participant[quote=flu]
Anyway, I find it interesting when folks tout they should go out and spend and “buy american” when in fact most americans these days should be doing completely the opposite…NOT spend at all….[/quote]
Point taken.
My statements are assuming one has the means to purchase an automobile to begin with.
Participant[quote=PKMAN]Couldn’t help to jump back in…
Rt66, even though we’re on different sides and I think you are too radical in your view, I admire you for taking the time and the detail to defend the Big 2, while the original poster pretty much just sit on the sideline to watch a good fight and only jumping in occasionally…….. [/quote]
I’m guessin’ that “original poster” would be me.
In case you forgot, my original title for this forum was:
“Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai….”
The topic understandably turned to automobiles, manufacturers, etc. – which was fine by me. I’ve made it clear that I agree with Rt. 66 and his belief in buying American made cars, etc. He has made his case so thoroughly I honestly do not know what I can add to defend the documented quality of the American made automobile or the mass screwing of the American blue collar worker.
The bigger picture to me has become American apathy towards American Made goods – particularly cars manufactured in the U.S.A.
It just baffles me that there is so much venom spewed by Americans against American auto workers and American made cars. It would seem that much of that comes from outright jealousy that the American auto worker had the nerve to make a decent enough wage to own a home and send his or her kids to college. That jealousy is then channeled towards the American car itself.
Then there appears to be guilt. The shame of, in a way, selling out one’s own country during a time of nearly unparalleled crisis, by buying a third world automobile and then trying to justify it by blaming it on unfounded, inferior American quality.
There are no doubt people here who have purchased an American made car that turned out to be a lemon. They have a legitimate gripe and may never buy anything other than an imported car again.
But, all the jealousy, guilt, shame, anger or whatever else is the motivation, does not change the fact that we are all still Americans. Maybe, at the end of the day, we can stop sweating the small stuff and pull together to help fix what the politicians cannot.
By buying American again, or even consciously making an effort to buy American made again, right now, today, even if it hurts or costs more, we can make a tiny step forward in restoring our sorely-needed manufacturing base. Americans did it during the World Wars. Why not now ?
Given the pickle we are in, I don’t think you can consider it protectionism. Nor blind patriotism, or being foolish with your money. Right now, today, it just makes sense.
Please take a few minutes of your time to ask Jeff Bridges to use his clout as a major celebrity and publicly renounce the Hyundai commercials and jump on the American Made bandwagon.
Participant[quote=PKMAN]Couldn’t help to jump back in…
Rt66, even though we’re on different sides and I think you are too radical in your view, I admire you for taking the time and the detail to defend the Big 2, while the original poster pretty much just sit on the sideline to watch a good fight and only jumping in occasionally…….. [/quote]
I’m guessin’ that “original poster” would be me.
In case you forgot, my original title for this forum was:
“Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai….”
The topic understandably turned to automobiles, manufacturers, etc. – which was fine by me. I’ve made it clear that I agree with Rt. 66 and his belief in buying American made cars, etc. He has made his case so thoroughly I honestly do not know what I can add to defend the documented quality of the American made automobile or the mass screwing of the American blue collar worker.
The bigger picture to me has become American apathy towards American Made goods – particularly cars manufactured in the U.S.A.
It just baffles me that there is so much venom spewed by Americans against American auto workers and American made cars. It would seem that much of that comes from outright jealousy that the American auto worker had the nerve to make a decent enough wage to own a home and send his or her kids to college. That jealousy is then channeled towards the American car itself.
Then there appears to be guilt. The shame of, in a way, selling out one’s own country during a time of nearly unparalleled crisis, by buying a third world automobile and then trying to justify it by blaming it on unfounded, inferior American quality.
There are no doubt people here who have purchased an American made car that turned out to be a lemon. They have a legitimate gripe and may never buy anything other than an imported car again.
But, all the jealousy, guilt, shame, anger or whatever else is the motivation, does not change the fact that we are all still Americans. Maybe, at the end of the day, we can stop sweating the small stuff and pull together to help fix what the politicians cannot.
By buying American again, or even consciously making an effort to buy American made again, right now, today, even if it hurts or costs more, we can make a tiny step forward in restoring our sorely-needed manufacturing base. Americans did it during the World Wars. Why not now ?
Given the pickle we are in, I don’t think you can consider it protectionism. Nor blind patriotism, or being foolish with your money. Right now, today, it just makes sense.
Please take a few minutes of your time to ask Jeff Bridges to use his clout as a major celebrity and publicly renounce the Hyundai commercials and jump on the American Made bandwagon.
Participant[quote=PKMAN]Couldn’t help to jump back in…
Rt66, even though we’re on different sides and I think you are too radical in your view, I admire you for taking the time and the detail to defend the Big 2, while the original poster pretty much just sit on the sideline to watch a good fight and only jumping in occasionally…….. [/quote]
I’m guessin’ that “original poster” would be me.
In case you forgot, my original title for this forum was:
“Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai….”
The topic understandably turned to automobiles, manufacturers, etc. – which was fine by me. I’ve made it clear that I agree with Rt. 66 and his belief in buying American made cars, etc. He has made his case so thoroughly I honestly do not know what I can add to defend the documented quality of the American made automobile or the mass screwing of the American blue collar worker.
The bigger picture to me has become American apathy towards American Made goods – particularly cars manufactured in the U.S.A.
It just baffles me that there is so much venom spewed by Americans against American auto workers and American made cars. It would seem that much of that comes from outright jealousy that the American auto worker had the nerve to make a decent enough wage to own a home and send his or her kids to college. That jealousy is then channeled towards the American car itself.
Then there appears to be guilt. The shame of, in a way, selling out one’s own country during a time of nearly unparalleled crisis, by buying a third world automobile and then trying to justify it by blaming it on unfounded, inferior American quality.
There are no doubt people here who have purchased an American made car that turned out to be a lemon. They have a legitimate gripe and may never buy anything other than an imported car again.
But, all the jealousy, guilt, shame, anger or whatever else is the motivation, does not change the fact that we are all still Americans. Maybe, at the end of the day, we can stop sweating the small stuff and pull together to help fix what the politicians cannot.
By buying American again, or even consciously making an effort to buy American made again, right now, today, even if it hurts or costs more, we can make a tiny step forward in restoring our sorely-needed manufacturing base. Americans did it during the World Wars. Why not now ?
Given the pickle we are in, I don’t think you can consider it protectionism. Nor blind patriotism, or being foolish with your money. Right now, today, it just makes sense.
Please take a few minutes of your time to ask Jeff Bridges to use his clout as a major celebrity and publicly renounce the Hyundai commercials and jump on the American Made bandwagon.
Participant[quote=PKMAN]Couldn’t help to jump back in…
Rt66, even though we’re on different sides and I think you are too radical in your view, I admire you for taking the time and the detail to defend the Big 2, while the original poster pretty much just sit on the sideline to watch a good fight and only jumping in occasionally…….. [/quote]
I’m guessin’ that “original poster” would be me.
In case you forgot, my original title for this forum was:
“Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai….”
The topic understandably turned to automobiles, manufacturers, etc. – which was fine by me. I’ve made it clear that I agree with Rt. 66 and his belief in buying American made cars, etc. He has made his case so thoroughly I honestly do not know what I can add to defend the documented quality of the American made automobile or the mass screwing of the American blue collar worker.
The bigger picture to me has become American apathy towards American Made goods – particularly cars manufactured in the U.S.A.
It just baffles me that there is so much venom spewed by Americans against American auto workers and American made cars. It would seem that much of that comes from outright jealousy that the American auto worker had the nerve to make a decent enough wage to own a home and send his or her kids to college. That jealousy is then channeled towards the American car itself.
Then there appears to be guilt. The shame of, in a way, selling out one’s own country during a time of nearly unparalleled crisis, by buying a third world automobile and then trying to justify it by blaming it on unfounded, inferior American quality.
There are no doubt people here who have purchased an American made car that turned out to be a lemon. They have a legitimate gripe and may never buy anything other than an imported car again.
But, all the jealousy, guilt, shame, anger or whatever else is the motivation, does not change the fact that we are all still Americans. Maybe, at the end of the day, we can stop sweating the small stuff and pull together to help fix what the politicians cannot.
By buying American again, or even consciously making an effort to buy American made again, right now, today, even if it hurts or costs more, we can make a tiny step forward in restoring our sorely-needed manufacturing base. Americans did it during the World Wars. Why not now ?
Given the pickle we are in, I don’t think you can consider it protectionism. Nor blind patriotism, or being foolish with your money. Right now, today, it just makes sense.
Please take a few minutes of your time to ask Jeff Bridges to use his clout as a major celebrity and publicly renounce the Hyundai commercials and jump on the American Made bandwagon.
Participant[quote=PKMAN]Couldn’t help to jump back in…
Rt66, even though we’re on different sides and I think you are too radical in your view, I admire you for taking the time and the detail to defend the Big 2, while the original poster pretty much just sit on the sideline to watch a good fight and only jumping in occasionally…….. [/quote]
I’m guessin’ that “original poster” would be me.
In case you forgot, my original title for this forum was:
“Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai….”
The topic understandably turned to automobiles, manufacturers, etc. – which was fine by me. I’ve made it clear that I agree with Rt. 66 and his belief in buying American made cars, etc. He has made his case so thoroughly I honestly do not know what I can add to defend the documented quality of the American made automobile or the mass screwing of the American blue collar worker.
The bigger picture to me has become American apathy towards American Made goods – particularly cars manufactured in the U.S.A.
It just baffles me that there is so much venom spewed by Americans against American auto workers and American made cars. It would seem that much of that comes from outright jealousy that the American auto worker had the nerve to make a decent enough wage to own a home and send his or her kids to college. That jealousy is then channeled towards the American car itself.
Then there appears to be guilt. The shame of, in a way, selling out one’s own country during a time of nearly unparalleled crisis, by buying a third world automobile and then trying to justify it by blaming it on unfounded, inferior American quality.
There are no doubt people here who have purchased an American made car that turned out to be a lemon. They have a legitimate gripe and may never buy anything other than an imported car again.
But, all the jealousy, guilt, shame, anger or whatever else is the motivation, does not change the fact that we are all still Americans. Maybe, at the end of the day, we can stop sweating the small stuff and pull together to help fix what the politicians cannot.
By buying American again, or even consciously making an effort to buy American made again, right now, today, even if it hurts or costs more, we can make a tiny step forward in restoring our sorely-needed manufacturing base. Americans did it during the World Wars. Why not now ?
Given the pickle we are in, I don’t think you can consider it protectionism. Nor blind patriotism, or being foolish with your money. Right now, today, it just makes sense.
Please take a few minutes of your time to ask Jeff Bridges to use his clout as a major celebrity and publicly renounce the Hyundai commercials and jump on the American Made bandwagon.
ParticipantTo snail:
No agenda, hidden or otherwise. No vested interest in the UAW or the American auto industry.
I am pretty much a one trick pony here.
A concerned citizen who just couldn’t take listening to one of my favorite American actors shilling for an Asian automaker while Rome burns around us.
Join me in asking Jeff Bridges to officially abandon the Hyundai commercials and support the home team.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
HIE-YUN-DIE does NOT rhyme with Sunday.
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