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Participant[quote=flu]I wonder what these folks have to say about the Korean automakers….
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/07/08/fortunate.town/index.html
Anyone want to educate these folks to be more “American”?
Holy Snickers…..We’re talking about Geooooooorgia….Maybe this country is more open minded and not as doomed as I thought.[/quote]
Oh jeeze. That’s like the local hardware store owner welcoming Wal Mart to town. We are going to hell in a hand-basket.
Ignorance truly is bliss.
New word: short thinkers
Participant[quote=flu]I wonder what these folks have to say about the Korean automakers….
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/07/08/fortunate.town/index.html
Anyone want to educate these folks to be more “American”?
Holy Snickers…..We’re talking about Geooooooorgia….Maybe this country is more open minded and not as doomed as I thought.[/quote]
Oh jeeze. That’s like the local hardware store owner welcoming Wal Mart to town. We are going to hell in a hand-basket.
Ignorance truly is bliss.
New word: short thinkers
Participant[quote=flu]I wonder what these folks have to say about the Korean automakers….
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/07/08/fortunate.town/index.html
Anyone want to educate these folks to be more “American”?
Holy Snickers…..We’re talking about Geooooooorgia….Maybe this country is more open minded and not as doomed as I thought.[/quote]
Oh jeeze. That’s like the local hardware store owner welcoming Wal Mart to town. We are going to hell in a hand-basket.
Ignorance truly is bliss.
New word: short thinkers
Participant[quote=Cabal]
Here’s a tip to the new GM from the voice of the customer. In addition to Caddy, Buick, and Chevy, consider another niche division called Classics. The concept is to simply resurrect the old classic body styles from the late 60s/early 70s unmodified, but package it with fully modern internals. The product line could start with bodies from the 67-69 Camaro/Z-28 and Firebird, 72 Cutlass 442, 70 Chevelle and Skylark. If reasonably priced, I would buy one in a second.[/quote]Cabal: I am totally with you on that idea buddy. As for the rest of your post. Not so much.
The crux of my “Buy American pitch” is: right now, given the times, at this point in history, because of the situation we are in, etc.
Timing is everything.
And it’s time to stop the Jeff Bridges Hyundai advertising juggernaut in it’s tracks. Now.
Please join me.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
The gravity of our situation deserves it.
Participant[quote=Cabal]
Here’s a tip to the new GM from the voice of the customer. In addition to Caddy, Buick, and Chevy, consider another niche division called Classics. The concept is to simply resurrect the old classic body styles from the late 60s/early 70s unmodified, but package it with fully modern internals. The product line could start with bodies from the 67-69 Camaro/Z-28 and Firebird, 72 Cutlass 442, 70 Chevelle and Skylark. If reasonably priced, I would buy one in a second.[/quote]Cabal: I am totally with you on that idea buddy. As for the rest of your post. Not so much.
The crux of my “Buy American pitch” is: right now, given the times, at this point in history, because of the situation we are in, etc.
Timing is everything.
And it’s time to stop the Jeff Bridges Hyundai advertising juggernaut in it’s tracks. Now.
Please join me.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
The gravity of our situation deserves it.
Participant[quote=Cabal]
Here’s a tip to the new GM from the voice of the customer. In addition to Caddy, Buick, and Chevy, consider another niche division called Classics. The concept is to simply resurrect the old classic body styles from the late 60s/early 70s unmodified, but package it with fully modern internals. The product line could start with bodies from the 67-69 Camaro/Z-28 and Firebird, 72 Cutlass 442, 70 Chevelle and Skylark. If reasonably priced, I would buy one in a second.[/quote]Cabal: I am totally with you on that idea buddy. As for the rest of your post. Not so much.
The crux of my “Buy American pitch” is: right now, given the times, at this point in history, because of the situation we are in, etc.
Timing is everything.
And it’s time to stop the Jeff Bridges Hyundai advertising juggernaut in it’s tracks. Now.
Please join me.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
The gravity of our situation deserves it.
Participant[quote=Cabal]
Here’s a tip to the new GM from the voice of the customer. In addition to Caddy, Buick, and Chevy, consider another niche division called Classics. The concept is to simply resurrect the old classic body styles from the late 60s/early 70s unmodified, but package it with fully modern internals. The product line could start with bodies from the 67-69 Camaro/Z-28 and Firebird, 72 Cutlass 442, 70 Chevelle and Skylark. If reasonably priced, I would buy one in a second.[/quote]Cabal: I am totally with you on that idea buddy. As for the rest of your post. Not so much.
The crux of my “Buy American pitch” is: right now, given the times, at this point in history, because of the situation we are in, etc.
Timing is everything.
And it’s time to stop the Jeff Bridges Hyundai advertising juggernaut in it’s tracks. Now.
Please join me.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
The gravity of our situation deserves it.
Participant[quote=Cabal]
Here’s a tip to the new GM from the voice of the customer. In addition to Caddy, Buick, and Chevy, consider another niche division called Classics. The concept is to simply resurrect the old classic body styles from the late 60s/early 70s unmodified, but package it with fully modern internals. The product line could start with bodies from the 67-69 Camaro/Z-28 and Firebird, 72 Cutlass 442, 70 Chevelle and Skylark. If reasonably priced, I would buy one in a second.[/quote]Cabal: I am totally with you on that idea buddy. As for the rest of your post. Not so much.
The crux of my “Buy American pitch” is: right now, given the times, at this point in history, because of the situation we are in, etc.
Timing is everything.
And it’s time to stop the Jeff Bridges Hyundai advertising juggernaut in it’s tracks. Now.
Please join me.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
The gravity of our situation deserves it.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
……My point is that it takes a while to build loyalty and, once lost, it will take a long time to restore it.
I don’t argue that quality is now fairly level amongst American and Japanese brands, however, the perception that Japanese cars are superior is still fairly strong.
Moreover, until Detroit is able to negotiate more reasonable labor rates, GM and Chrysler will both still be playing from behind.
It is especially telling that Obama chose to screw the corporate bondholders of Chrysler, but was absolutely unwilling to take on the unions and the CBA……
I’m rooting for GM and was very heartened by how quickly they exited BK…..
IMHO, Jeff Bridges can shill for whomever he likes. Whether or not we embrace the notion of “Buy American” first, we can all still agree that this is a free country. Or, it used to be.[/quote]
Allan from Fallbrook: How many decades does it take for Americans to trust American Made again when all the evidence, as you concede, points to “quality” being “fairly level” with the imports ?
What are “more reasonable labor rates” in your opinion ? Less or more than the job you have ? Are you against Unions in general or just for auto workers ?
Is it a “financially unsustainable model at work” because it allows American workers to make a better living for themselves than Third World workers ? Working for Third World companies with substantially less overhead; vis a vis the environment, health care, protecting workers, retirement and so forth ?
Or is it just that you would like to see American Autos selling for the price of Korean or Chinese made cars period ? (Wal Mart car prices, so to speak.)
As for Jeff Bridges, I totally agree with you.
If you have followed my posts, you will notice I never demand, insist or try to badger anyone into calling Jeff Bridges on the carpet over the Hyundai commercials ( fiasco IMO ). I simply ask. In what I feel to be a respectful manner.
Jeff Bridges can “shill” for whomever he likes. It is still a “free country”. But does shilling for Hyundai make it right? Especially at this particular time in history?
Living in a free country, you, as an American, have the right to make that decision for yourself. Either in private – or in a public forum such as this one. Pretty cool system we have here, eh ?
I started this post looking for answers to a problem but, most of what I hear are excuses and gripes. Many of them appear valid. Many of them not valid at all.
At least Obama is doing SOMETHING. He is, for better or worse, raising awareness of all the ins and outs of this complicated and expensive problem; as evidenced by this ongoing forum.
Honest debate good !
If you are truly “rooting for GM” what do YOU think the everyday American can do to help out ?
I am all ears my friend.
Hyundai’s buck forty nine a gallon gas for a year isn’t going to help GM’s problems. While we are debating the nuances of four wheel transportation, HIE-YUN-DIE continues to quietly steal market share.
China and India are anxiously waiting in the wings for us to drop the ball again.
Ask Jeff Bridges to stop the Hyundai ads now before it’s too late.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
Tic Toc. Tic Toc. Tic…. Toc….
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
……My point is that it takes a while to build loyalty and, once lost, it will take a long time to restore it.
I don’t argue that quality is now fairly level amongst American and Japanese brands, however, the perception that Japanese cars are superior is still fairly strong.
Moreover, until Detroit is able to negotiate more reasonable labor rates, GM and Chrysler will both still be playing from behind.
It is especially telling that Obama chose to screw the corporate bondholders of Chrysler, but was absolutely unwilling to take on the unions and the CBA……
I’m rooting for GM and was very heartened by how quickly they exited BK…..
IMHO, Jeff Bridges can shill for whomever he likes. Whether or not we embrace the notion of “Buy American” first, we can all still agree that this is a free country. Or, it used to be.[/quote]
Allan from Fallbrook: How many decades does it take for Americans to trust American Made again when all the evidence, as you concede, points to “quality” being “fairly level” with the imports ?
What are “more reasonable labor rates” in your opinion ? Less or more than the job you have ? Are you against Unions in general or just for auto workers ?
Is it a “financially unsustainable model at work” because it allows American workers to make a better living for themselves than Third World workers ? Working for Third World companies with substantially less overhead; vis a vis the environment, health care, protecting workers, retirement and so forth ?
Or is it just that you would like to see American Autos selling for the price of Korean or Chinese made cars period ? (Wal Mart car prices, so to speak.)
As for Jeff Bridges, I totally agree with you.
If you have followed my posts, you will notice I never demand, insist or try to badger anyone into calling Jeff Bridges on the carpet over the Hyundai commercials ( fiasco IMO ). I simply ask. In what I feel to be a respectful manner.
Jeff Bridges can “shill” for whomever he likes. It is still a “free country”. But does shilling for Hyundai make it right? Especially at this particular time in history?
Living in a free country, you, as an American, have the right to make that decision for yourself. Either in private – or in a public forum such as this one. Pretty cool system we have here, eh ?
I started this post looking for answers to a problem but, most of what I hear are excuses and gripes. Many of them appear valid. Many of them not valid at all.
At least Obama is doing SOMETHING. He is, for better or worse, raising awareness of all the ins and outs of this complicated and expensive problem; as evidenced by this ongoing forum.
Honest debate good !
If you are truly “rooting for GM” what do YOU think the everyday American can do to help out ?
I am all ears my friend.
Hyundai’s buck forty nine a gallon gas for a year isn’t going to help GM’s problems. While we are debating the nuances of four wheel transportation, HIE-YUN-DIE continues to quietly steal market share.
China and India are anxiously waiting in the wings for us to drop the ball again.
Ask Jeff Bridges to stop the Hyundai ads now before it’s too late.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
Tic Toc. Tic Toc. Tic…. Toc….
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
……My point is that it takes a while to build loyalty and, once lost, it will take a long time to restore it.
I don’t argue that quality is now fairly level amongst American and Japanese brands, however, the perception that Japanese cars are superior is still fairly strong.
Moreover, until Detroit is able to negotiate more reasonable labor rates, GM and Chrysler will both still be playing from behind.
It is especially telling that Obama chose to screw the corporate bondholders of Chrysler, but was absolutely unwilling to take on the unions and the CBA……
I’m rooting for GM and was very heartened by how quickly they exited BK…..
IMHO, Jeff Bridges can shill for whomever he likes. Whether or not we embrace the notion of “Buy American” first, we can all still agree that this is a free country. Or, it used to be.[/quote]
Allan from Fallbrook: How many decades does it take for Americans to trust American Made again when all the evidence, as you concede, points to “quality” being “fairly level” with the imports ?
What are “more reasonable labor rates” in your opinion ? Less or more than the job you have ? Are you against Unions in general or just for auto workers ?
Is it a “financially unsustainable model at work” because it allows American workers to make a better living for themselves than Third World workers ? Working for Third World companies with substantially less overhead; vis a vis the environment, health care, protecting workers, retirement and so forth ?
Or is it just that you would like to see American Autos selling for the price of Korean or Chinese made cars period ? (Wal Mart car prices, so to speak.)
As for Jeff Bridges, I totally agree with you.
If you have followed my posts, you will notice I never demand, insist or try to badger anyone into calling Jeff Bridges on the carpet over the Hyundai commercials ( fiasco IMO ). I simply ask. In what I feel to be a respectful manner.
Jeff Bridges can “shill” for whomever he likes. It is still a “free country”. But does shilling for Hyundai make it right? Especially at this particular time in history?
Living in a free country, you, as an American, have the right to make that decision for yourself. Either in private – or in a public forum such as this one. Pretty cool system we have here, eh ?
I started this post looking for answers to a problem but, most of what I hear are excuses and gripes. Many of them appear valid. Many of them not valid at all.
At least Obama is doing SOMETHING. He is, for better or worse, raising awareness of all the ins and outs of this complicated and expensive problem; as evidenced by this ongoing forum.
Honest debate good !
If you are truly “rooting for GM” what do YOU think the everyday American can do to help out ?
I am all ears my friend.
Hyundai’s buck forty nine a gallon gas for a year isn’t going to help GM’s problems. While we are debating the nuances of four wheel transportation, HIE-YUN-DIE continues to quietly steal market share.
China and India are anxiously waiting in the wings for us to drop the ball again.
Ask Jeff Bridges to stop the Hyundai ads now before it’s too late.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
Tic Toc. Tic Toc. Tic…. Toc….
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
……My point is that it takes a while to build loyalty and, once lost, it will take a long time to restore it.
I don’t argue that quality is now fairly level amongst American and Japanese brands, however, the perception that Japanese cars are superior is still fairly strong.
Moreover, until Detroit is able to negotiate more reasonable labor rates, GM and Chrysler will both still be playing from behind.
It is especially telling that Obama chose to screw the corporate bondholders of Chrysler, but was absolutely unwilling to take on the unions and the CBA……
I’m rooting for GM and was very heartened by how quickly they exited BK…..
IMHO, Jeff Bridges can shill for whomever he likes. Whether or not we embrace the notion of “Buy American” first, we can all still agree that this is a free country. Or, it used to be.[/quote]
Allan from Fallbrook: How many decades does it take for Americans to trust American Made again when all the evidence, as you concede, points to “quality” being “fairly level” with the imports ?
What are “more reasonable labor rates” in your opinion ? Less or more than the job you have ? Are you against Unions in general or just for auto workers ?
Is it a “financially unsustainable model at work” because it allows American workers to make a better living for themselves than Third World workers ? Working for Third World companies with substantially less overhead; vis a vis the environment, health care, protecting workers, retirement and so forth ?
Or is it just that you would like to see American Autos selling for the price of Korean or Chinese made cars period ? (Wal Mart car prices, so to speak.)
As for Jeff Bridges, I totally agree with you.
If you have followed my posts, you will notice I never demand, insist or try to badger anyone into calling Jeff Bridges on the carpet over the Hyundai commercials ( fiasco IMO ). I simply ask. In what I feel to be a respectful manner.
Jeff Bridges can “shill” for whomever he likes. It is still a “free country”. But does shilling for Hyundai make it right? Especially at this particular time in history?
Living in a free country, you, as an American, have the right to make that decision for yourself. Either in private – or in a public forum such as this one. Pretty cool system we have here, eh ?
I started this post looking for answers to a problem but, most of what I hear are excuses and gripes. Many of them appear valid. Many of them not valid at all.
At least Obama is doing SOMETHING. He is, for better or worse, raising awareness of all the ins and outs of this complicated and expensive problem; as evidenced by this ongoing forum.
Honest debate good !
If you are truly “rooting for GM” what do YOU think the everyday American can do to help out ?
I am all ears my friend.
Hyundai’s buck forty nine a gallon gas for a year isn’t going to help GM’s problems. While we are debating the nuances of four wheel transportation, HIE-YUN-DIE continues to quietly steal market share.
China and India are anxiously waiting in the wings for us to drop the ball again.
Ask Jeff Bridges to stop the Hyundai ads now before it’s too late.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
Tic Toc. Tic Toc. Tic…. Toc….
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
……My point is that it takes a while to build loyalty and, once lost, it will take a long time to restore it.
I don’t argue that quality is now fairly level amongst American and Japanese brands, however, the perception that Japanese cars are superior is still fairly strong.
Moreover, until Detroit is able to negotiate more reasonable labor rates, GM and Chrysler will both still be playing from behind.
It is especially telling that Obama chose to screw the corporate bondholders of Chrysler, but was absolutely unwilling to take on the unions and the CBA……
I’m rooting for GM and was very heartened by how quickly they exited BK…..
IMHO, Jeff Bridges can shill for whomever he likes. Whether or not we embrace the notion of “Buy American” first, we can all still agree that this is a free country. Or, it used to be.[/quote]
Allan from Fallbrook: How many decades does it take for Americans to trust American Made again when all the evidence, as you concede, points to “quality” being “fairly level” with the imports ?
What are “more reasonable labor rates” in your opinion ? Less or more than the job you have ? Are you against Unions in general or just for auto workers ?
Is it a “financially unsustainable model at work” because it allows American workers to make a better living for themselves than Third World workers ? Working for Third World companies with substantially less overhead; vis a vis the environment, health care, protecting workers, retirement and so forth ?
Or is it just that you would like to see American Autos selling for the price of Korean or Chinese made cars period ? (Wal Mart car prices, so to speak.)
As for Jeff Bridges, I totally agree with you.
If you have followed my posts, you will notice I never demand, insist or try to badger anyone into calling Jeff Bridges on the carpet over the Hyundai commercials ( fiasco IMO ). I simply ask. In what I feel to be a respectful manner.
Jeff Bridges can “shill” for whomever he likes. It is still a “free country”. But does shilling for Hyundai make it right? Especially at this particular time in history?
Living in a free country, you, as an American, have the right to make that decision for yourself. Either in private – or in a public forum such as this one. Pretty cool system we have here, eh ?
I started this post looking for answers to a problem but, most of what I hear are excuses and gripes. Many of them appear valid. Many of them not valid at all.
At least Obama is doing SOMETHING. He is, for better or worse, raising awareness of all the ins and outs of this complicated and expensive problem; as evidenced by this ongoing forum.
Honest debate good !
If you are truly “rooting for GM” what do YOU think the everyday American can do to help out ?
I am all ears my friend.
Hyundai’s buck forty nine a gallon gas for a year isn’t going to help GM’s problems. While we are debating the nuances of four wheel transportation, HIE-YUN-DIE continues to quietly steal market share.
China and India are anxiously waiting in the wings for us to drop the ball again.
Ask Jeff Bridges to stop the Hyundai ads now before it’s too late.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355
Tic Toc. Tic Toc. Tic…. Toc….
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Conspicuously absent from Paddy and Scarlet’s (Rt.66) responses has been the “why” behind GM’s demise.
Advocating and agitating for a “Buy American” program when you are unwilling and unable to address why GM went bankrupt in the first place is the worst kind of knee jerk jingoism there is.
Why not take the time and review the 1970s and 1980s and Detroit’s absolute arrogance when it came to their customers? [/quote]
I think we’ve been down this road before but, this is a deservedly long post and yours a deservedly valid point.
It is 2009.
Auto industry observers who have been around awhile might arguably admit that the 1970’s and 80’s were not the best of times for the American Auto Industry.
And, arguably, we let / helped the Japanese point that out to us ( The Big 3 ) and major strides in American quality were made.
But, with all due respect, that was pretty much 30 to 40 years ago. Almost half a century now.
There have been a lot of crummy imports of all ethnicities before, during and along the way.
American Made cars have proven to be just as good as / reliable as any of the imports for maybe 20 years or more now.
How many years does it take before one let’s go of the past and grasps the present and future of the American auto industry ?
As for the present, my original point to this post was basically, what can we as Americans do now, to ensure that what we “let” the Japanese do to us 35 years ago not happen again with Korea, India and China. Must history continue to repeat itself ?
So sports fans, poetry lovers and fellow Americanos – (just trying to lighten things up a bit).
Take a teenie, tiny, itsy-bitsy step, and join me in respectfully asking Jeff Bridges to deep six the Hyundai voice-overs, jump ship to his “alma mater” and prove, once and for all, that charity begins at home.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3395358
It may be YOUR job that’s on the line next.
HIE-YUN-DIE does NOT rhyme with Sunday.
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