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PS Just looked at a brief summary of Theranos’ patents, etc. very little was filed before 2011.

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From what I’ve read, about 2-3ml of blood is the minimum necessary for most blood tests. Some tests require more. This is a good article about the challenges of using finger-stick blood: https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i1/Blood-tests-fingertips.html

DNA testing can be done on very small samples because the DNA is amplified using PCR – without PCR those small amounts would be insufficient for testing. The finger clip that tests for oxygen and pulse is based on light transmission – again, totally different technologies.

One thing that always made me question Theranos is that they kept saying that their technology was super secret – for years. Generally speaking, before a company discloses an invention to anyone for any reason (counsulting, investment, manufacturing, sourcing parts ,etc) they file a patent application. Since it is impossible not to work with consultants, etc, these applications are filed early. Under most circumstances, if that application moves beyond the provisional filing (meaning anything that continues to be commercially viable), the application is published after 18 months. So most companies working at the pace that Theranos claimed to be could only keep things secret for 18 months. And even if an application is not available to the public, it can be disclosed privately under an NDA. But Theranos continued to keep this “big secret” for years and people believed them without asking the simplest questions. Walgreens invested $140 million. Considering that this was a patent driven device, why didn’t anyone talk to a patent attorney? As the saying goes, you can’t cheat an honest man. These investor groups rushed in because they thought they had the equivalent of insider information (though it wasn’t a public company). It is a Madoff-like situation.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]Flu, you know the industry that’s why you opinion is very interesting .

I’m just wondering if there was a thoughtful deliberative process for the government to insert himself into private industry. I believe there’s a role for government developing economic policies. Telecom is a key industry of the future and I’m just wondering why not let businessmen make their own decisions[/quote]

Brian this is old. Any time you want to file a patent application outside of the US you have to get a foreign filing license, which isn’t granted until an evaluation is done regarding the effect of the invention on national security and can be blocked for the same reason. “I believe there is a role for government developing economic policies.” That’s very big of you.

I’m surprised that the takeover was moving ahead even with the looming decision in Oil States https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/11/27/supreme-court-patents. There could be a huge shake up with Apple and Qualcomm patents and the effect on stock price could really be dramatic. Or not. It should be interesting.

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i see no moral force. Abraham wanted to kill isaac because that’s how the video game played out, because he was a psychotic abusive dad. similarly, even if i heard the actual voice of G-d, and i knew for sure it wasnt just me being delusional, i would not sacrifice my son. because even if He exists, and he has an inscrutable plan, and he created me, I do NOT GIVE A SHIT, when he is just playing games with me, “testing” me. [/quote]

Reminds me of a thing by Norm McDonald – before he was Colonel Sanders:

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/i6sbip/stand-up-norm-macdonald–bob-the-devil

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What kind of person would be able to fully enjoy themselves in Heaven knowing that the other half of humanity, even people they knew or cared about was being tortured in Hell?[/quote]

Maybe Heaven is the ability to forget that there are any bad things anywhere. Like being a squirrel. No knowledge that there was a time before you, no knowledge that there will be a time after you, no knowledge that there is a hawk’s nest above your burrow, general enjoyment of acorns and other squirrels.

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[quote=scaredyclassic]I may be dark, but the Bible is wayyyyy darker. Jesus is,supposed to be the fun part, but the bottom line is believe in him or spend all of time in hell. that seems…kind of a bummer

Abraham kicks ass. doesnt it seem like G-d kind of wants us to stand up to him, pipe up, not just sit there and take it?

maybe He can overreact a bit….and we need to calm him down. like me.[/quote]

Wasn’t Abraham known for obedience? Isn’t that sort of the central story of Abraham and Jonah and Noah now that I think about it. My recollection of the Old Testament is that it seems to involve a lot of misbehaving, smiting and giving the good stuff to the people who were obedient. Not a lot of points for piping up.

Moderation in all things. I like hearing what my kids think, but often I want them to stop piping up and get with the plan. When a doctor says eat well and exercise or you’re going to have a heart attack, that’s not a threat – it is a manifestation of caring. Depends on what you’re in the mood to hear.

You should go listen to some jazz and relax.

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[quote=scaredyclassic]I am open though to some sort of miracle conversion experience.

frankly, id love to see G-d win me over.

unlikely tho. im so mad at Him.[/quote]

I think trying to analyze this using logic is like trying to jack up your car using knitting needles. Logic and knitting needles are both useful tools – for their own purposes. This all sounds sort of dark for you, by the way.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]So well put scaredy. That’s how people in foreign countries feel about Christian missionaries. Freedom of religion bullshit. It’s a question of power and economics and culture.

I’m waiting for the day when India, China, Africa are economically strong and they send their missionaries over here, and we are forced to allow them. We will see how the Christians like freedom of speech and religion then.[/quote]

Just for fun, imagine how a single day in your life would be different if everyone followed the 10 Commandments plus “Love thy neighbor as thyself” (both a Christian value and a quote from Leviticus). You can ignore the ones about God for now – we’ll just leave the rest of the theological issues aside. No locks on the doors, no guns, no military, no people living in trash heaps in Los Angeles (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-riverbed-debris-20180310-story.html) You’d still have to deal with the unavoidable illnesses, negligence, accidents and such but it would be pretty sweet. It would also probably cause an enormous economic depression because we spend a lot of time and money protecting ourselves from those who mean us harm.

And, due to recent developments in China – I doubt religion is going to get a shot in the arm there.

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Hmm. I’m not sure about all of this. Other than a few random people who have come to my front door with literature from time to time (and they have been very non-aggressive) no one ever has ever tried in person to impose their version of Christianity (or other religion) on me. Now that I think about it, there was that “Jews for Jesus” guy in high school, but that was just confusing. Once again, I think we should focus on our personal experience(s), not the trash that the media presents as the truth.

If I chose to, I could paint a similarly insulting vision of anyone else’s religion, but I see no point in doing so. Peace be with you, Scaredy.

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[quote=scaredyclassic]. . . and will at least briefly consider fucking anything, living or not.[/quote]

Reminds me of a recent report of an interview with Quincy Jones: ” The talk’s most colorful moment had to do with the sexual habits of Marlon Brando, whom Jones asserts would “f*ck a mailbox.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spin.com/2018/02/richard-pryor-widow-sex-marlon-brando-bisexual%3famp=1

I wasn’t sure whether that was a colorful idiom I hadn’t heard before or an example of Quincy Jones’ creativity with words. Funny though.

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[quote=scaredyclassic]also the articles say there’s no formal study, just that insurance rates for priests are the same as rabbis and other religious leaders.

target still a better bet if im going with my gut. religiosity when extreme seems more likely to be a cover for deviant sexuality, to me.but that could just be my own warped perception mirrored through my Baseline mistrust.[/quote]

I know that this is unfair, but I am pretty suspicious of ANY man who puts himself in a position to have unsupervised interaction with kids. Not that I think they are all bad, but I don’t trust my instincts enough to be sure which ones are good. Too many bad experiences – in my opinion COACHES WERE THE WORST – not religious types. And I think you’re seeing that now (Olympic gymnastics doctor, etc.). I can’t find it right now but I’ve seen a statistic that educators are worse than all the other groups and there’s even more cover up in that domain.

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The problem is not priests – they are no more likely to abuse than are other males. https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625%3famp=1

“There is no plausible evidence that Catholic priests are gangs of sexual predators, as they are being portrayed,” said Pennsylvania State University Prof. Philip Jenkins, eminent religion and history scholar, and a non-Catholic who’s studied the church’s abuse problems for 20 years.

Scandal creates contempt for Catholic clergy

Generally speaking, the problem is men – especially that darling of law school cases, the “mother’s boyfriend.”

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raising ones kids Christian is a good intro to the hypocritical nature of most human run irganizatiins[/quote]

We all have flaws. Some try to be better – many fail. I have had a surprising number of good theological discussions with my kids (and Constitutional discussions as well.). When my daughter was four she looked up from where she was playing in the sand and said: “Mommy, why do magicians only saw ladies in half?” We have had a lot of good talks.

I think it makes more sense to look at the aspirations than the success rate.

According to Pope Francis: The media only writes about the sinners and the scandals, but that’s normal, because a tree that falls makes more noise than a forest that grows.

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are the true Christians the ones waving flags talking about how the usa is a world force for christianity and G-d bless our troops n bombs keeping our nation safe for jesus?[/quote]

My father in law used to say that nuns generally fell into to two categories – very nice or very mean. There were the ones who perceived faith as a way to elevate the population and those who used it as a way to condemn. I actually see that in almost every profession – teachers (some want to teach, some like being in control of the group), doctors (some want to improve your health, some like being wealthy and perceived as a higher status), lawyers (some like arguing, some like justice), etc. And so it is with Christians (which I intend to include Catholics and all other Christ based religions) – some have seen the light and some perceive it as a weapon to apply against others.

My father in law was a very devout Catholic. You would never have seen him waving flags. But you would have seen him making house calls for the elderly into the 1990s (he was a family doctor/surgeon), writing off bills for people who were short on cash and chatting with people who literally made appointments to see him because they had no one else to talk to. He charged them something like $12 for a 1/2 hour appointment. The turnout at his funeral included a lot of those people – it was very heartwarming.

When is anyone going to accept that what we see in the media is not a representative sampling?

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[quote=harvey] Even though your people were complicit in the torture and unjust execution of God, it turns out he had a quick recovery, and is doing ok. We should let bygones be bygones.

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Along with the Romans – and look how fast we were to elevate them to . . . Popes and the like. I always found that odd even though I get the historical path. As a Catholic, I also wonder what Pontius Pilate would have thought if he had known that tens of millions of people would be calling him out every week for thousands of years.

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