[Jim Jones]

[quote=CONCHO]Man I just have to keep doing this to save us all time. Here are the arguments that we will see in this thread:

4) Americans are overpaid. What, you think you *deserve* a roof over your head? There’s someone in Thailand that lives in a shanty that can do your job cheaper, bub!

OK so I’ve saved us all the trouble of what we would normally have to spend time typing and reading here. Now we can go back to work (if we still have any ha ha ha).[/quote]

CONCHO,

I like your prediction of Brian’s statement which followed.

[quote=Brian]If 10 million Americans fall into poverty, but 100 million Chinese gain education and a “middle-class” life, it’s a net positive gain for humanity.

Actually, if Americans can no longer afford “Carlsbad-like” neighborhoods and everything in San Diego deteriorates to “El Cajon-like” and people have to move to apartments, it still won’t be the end of the world.”[/quote]

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=CA renter]
We need to enact tariffs to offset the profit margins gained by exploiting cheap labor around the world. Otherwise, it is a race to the bottom, which should be clear to everyone by now (but for some reason, too many people refuse to see it!).[/quote]

Not if you look at all humans equally.

From a world humanitarian perspective, as long as more people are being lifted out of poverty than fall into poverty, then the system is working.

If 10 million Americans fall into poverty, but 100 million Chinese gain education and a “middle-class” life, it’s a net positive gain for humanity.

Actually, if Americans can no longer afford “Carlsbad-like” neighborhoods and everything in San Diego deteriorates to “El Cajon-like” and people have to move to apartments, it still won’t be the end of the world.[/quote]

Brian,

I don’t want to question your patriotism but this argument is counter to our national objectives and in IMHO the reason why we are in fact an independent nation in the first place. Would you subject your own children and grandchildren to a lifetime of poverty and serfdom to further global utilitarianism? If you are I would like to hear you own your previous statement rather than waxing poetically about the future of this nation.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=CA renter]
We need to enact tariffs to offset the profit margins gained by exploiting cheap labor around the world. Otherwise, it is a race to the bottom, which should be clear to everyone by now (but for some reason, too many people refuse to see it!).[/quote]

Not if you look at all humans equally.

From a world humanitarian perspective, as long as more people are being lifted out of poverty than fall into poverty, then the system is working.

If 10 million Americans fall into poverty, but 100 million Chinese gain education and a “middle-class” life, it’s a net positive gain for humanity.

Actually, if Americans can no longer afford “Carlsbad-like” neighborhoods and everything in San Diego deteriorates to “El Cajon-like” and people have to move to apartments, it still won’t be the end of the world.[/quote]

Brian,

I don’t want to question your patriotism but this argument is counter to our national objectives and in IMHO the reason why we are in fact an independent nation in the first place. Would you subject your own children and grandchildren to a lifetime of poverty and serfdom to further global utilitarianism? If you are I would like to hear you own your previous statement rather than waxing poetically about the future of this nation.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=CA renter]
We need to enact tariffs to offset the profit margins gained by exploiting cheap labor around the world. Otherwise, it is a race to the bottom, which should be clear to everyone by now (but for some reason, too many people refuse to see it!).[/quote]

Not if you look at all humans equally.

From a world humanitarian perspective, as long as more people are being lifted out of poverty than fall into poverty, then the system is working.

If 10 million Americans fall into poverty, but 100 million Chinese gain education and a “middle-class” life, it’s a net positive gain for humanity.

Actually, if Americans can no longer afford “Carlsbad-like” neighborhoods and everything in San Diego deteriorates to “El Cajon-like” and people have to move to apartments, it still won’t be the end of the world.[/quote]

Brian,

I don’t want to question your patriotism but this argument is counter to our national objectives and in IMHO the reason why we are in fact an independent nation in the first place. Would you subject your own children and grandchildren to a lifetime of poverty and serfdom to further global utilitarianism? If you are I would like to hear you own your previous statement rather than waxing poetically about the future of this nation.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=CA renter]
We need to enact tariffs to offset the profit margins gained by exploiting cheap labor around the world. Otherwise, it is a race to the bottom, which should be clear to everyone by now (but for some reason, too many people refuse to see it!).[/quote]

Not if you look at all humans equally.

From a world humanitarian perspective, as long as more people are being lifted out of poverty than fall into poverty, then the system is working.

If 10 million Americans fall into poverty, but 100 million Chinese gain education and a “middle-class” life, it’s a net positive gain for humanity.

Actually, if Americans can no longer afford “Carlsbad-like” neighborhoods and everything in San Diego deteriorates to “El Cajon-like” and people have to move to apartments, it still won’t be the end of the world.[/quote]

Brian,

I don’t want to question your patriotism but this argument is counter to our national objectives and in IMHO the reason why we are in fact an independent nation in the first place. Would you subject your own children and grandchildren to a lifetime of poverty and serfdom to further global utilitarianism? If you are I would like to hear you own your previous statement rather than waxing poetically about the future of this nation.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=CA renter]
We need to enact tariffs to offset the profit margins gained by exploiting cheap labor around the world. Otherwise, it is a race to the bottom, which should be clear to everyone by now (but for some reason, too many people refuse to see it!).[/quote]

Not if you look at all humans equally.

From a world humanitarian perspective, as long as more people are being lifted out of poverty than fall into poverty, then the system is working.

If 10 million Americans fall into poverty, but 100 million Chinese gain education and a “middle-class” life, it’s a net positive gain for humanity.

Actually, if Americans can no longer afford “Carlsbad-like” neighborhoods and everything in San Diego deteriorates to “El Cajon-like” and people have to move to apartments, it still won’t be the end of the world.[/quote]

Brian,

I don’t want to question your patriotism but this argument is counter to our national objectives and in IMHO the reason why we are in fact an independent nation in the first place. Would you subject your own children and grandchildren to a lifetime of poverty and serfdom to further global utilitarianism? If you are I would like to hear you own your previous statement rather than waxing poetically about the future of this nation.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Eugene]Dumanis is a lawyer with 34 years of experience. Gore manages a department with 4,000 employees. Care to guess how much people with similar skills/experience make in the private sector?[/quote]

Experience can be a reasonable argument, but show me the metrics such as effect on reducing criminal conduct, increased prosecutions and a reduced cost and increased public satisfaction with their leadership then I would possibly vote for a raise. It seems like they all want to put various issues on a public ballot, why not do it with their raises.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Eugene]Dumanis is a lawyer with 34 years of experience. Gore manages a department with 4,000 employees. Care to guess how much people with similar skills/experience make in the private sector?[/quote]

Experience can be a reasonable argument, but show me the metrics such as effect on reducing criminal conduct, increased prosecutions and a reduced cost and increased public satisfaction with their leadership then I would possibly vote for a raise. It seems like they all want to put various issues on a public ballot, why not do it with their raises.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Eugene]Dumanis is a lawyer with 34 years of experience. Gore manages a department with 4,000 employees. Care to guess how much people with similar skills/experience make in the private sector?[/quote]

Experience can be a reasonable argument, but show me the metrics such as effect on reducing criminal conduct, increased prosecutions and a reduced cost and increased public satisfaction with their leadership then I would possibly vote for a raise. It seems like they all want to put various issues on a public ballot, why not do it with their raises.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Eugene]Dumanis is a lawyer with 34 years of experience. Gore manages a department with 4,000 employees. Care to guess how much people with similar skills/experience make in the private sector?[/quote]

Experience can be a reasonable argument, but show me the metrics such as effect on reducing criminal conduct, increased prosecutions and a reduced cost and increased public satisfaction with their leadership then I would possibly vote for a raise. It seems like they all want to put various issues on a public ballot, why not do it with their raises.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Eugene]Dumanis is a lawyer with 34 years of experience. Gore manages a department with 4,000 employees. Care to guess how much people with similar skills/experience make in the private sector?[/quote]

Experience can be a reasonable argument, but show me the metrics such as effect on reducing criminal conduct, increased prosecutions and a reduced cost and increased public satisfaction with their leadership then I would possibly vote for a raise. It seems like they all want to put various issues on a public ballot, why not do it with their raises.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=CA renter]Isn’t that pretty much what they’re already doing? Sounds to me like everyone from the President to Bernanke on down is insisting that nobody lose money on housing.

That’s why all us renters are being forced to keep renting (either that, or seriously overpay for a house)…so the deadbeats can live for free and pretend that their houses are worth what they were in 2005. In the meantime, we get to collect sub-1% interest on our savings. It’s all good.[/quote]

CA Renter, you said everything I have been thinking, seeing, feeling and have been pure angry about for the last 6-7 years. How can we call this the leading economy in the world after reading you summary of the situation? Once risk is removed from the equation many people tend to make very poor economic decisions.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=CA renter]Isn’t that pretty much what they’re already doing? Sounds to me like everyone from the President to Bernanke on down is insisting that nobody lose money on housing.

That’s why all us renters are being forced to keep renting (either that, or seriously overpay for a house)…so the deadbeats can live for free and pretend that their houses are worth what they were in 2005. In the meantime, we get to collect sub-1% interest on our savings. It’s all good.[/quote]

CA Renter, you said everything I have been thinking, seeing, feeling and have been pure angry about for the last 6-7 years. How can we call this the leading economy in the world after reading you summary of the situation? Once risk is removed from the equation many people tend to make very poor economic decisions.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=CA renter]Isn’t that pretty much what they’re already doing? Sounds to me like everyone from the President to Bernanke on down is insisting that nobody lose money on housing.

That’s why all us renters are being forced to keep renting (either that, or seriously overpay for a house)…so the deadbeats can live for free and pretend that their houses are worth what they were in 2005. In the meantime, we get to collect sub-1% interest on our savings. It’s all good.[/quote]

CA Renter, you said everything I have been thinking, seeing, feeling and have been pure angry about for the last 6-7 years. How can we call this the leading economy in the world after reading you summary of the situation? Once risk is removed from the equation many people tend to make very poor economic decisions.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=CA renter]Isn’t that pretty much what they’re already doing? Sounds to me like everyone from the President to Bernanke on down is insisting that nobody lose money on housing.

That’s why all us renters are being forced to keep renting (either that, or seriously overpay for a house)…so the deadbeats can live for free and pretend that their houses are worth what they were in 2005. In the meantime, we get to collect sub-1% interest on our savings. It’s all good.[/quote]

CA Renter, you said everything I have been thinking, seeing, feeling and have been pure angry about for the last 6-7 years. How can we call this the leading economy in the world after reading you summary of the situation? Once risk is removed from the equation many people tend to make very poor economic decisions.

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