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Participant[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]
What you’ve pointed out is key: we’re not talking about “throwing out” decent, hard-working kids who are trying to better their lives. We’re talking about not enabling the twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted counterparts — who believe they are entitled to sit on the couch all day, eating and drinking their parents’ food, and using their home (and all the comforts therein) without feeling the slightest inclination to pay or work for any of it.[/quote]
How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
AN, to set the record straight, the subject of the article (1) was not kicked out of her parents’ house, and (2) was not living out on the street without a roof over her head. According to her, she was subjected to a childhood of abuse while in the care of her bipolar mother. She details a lifetime of domestic turmoil, extraordinary academic achievement, and early economic independence (working an assortment of jobs from the age of 10). When she reached the age of legal emancipation, she left her mother’s home and sought to continue her education, while building her resume via a series of increasingly responsible administrative jobs.
At age 23 (in 2008), she was laid off from her corporate executive assistant position (as part of a major downsizing move). She was not able to find consistent employment that would cover her expenses, so she returned to her mother’s house. She said that she quickly realized (during a maternal bipolar event) that the situation she was in would not work for her, and she voluntarily left. Her biological father (with whom she had not shared a relationship in 20 years) had recently died, and she received a pickup truck and 30-foot travel trailer/mobile home from the estate. While not ideal, it did put a roof over her head, a bed under her body at night, a facility to store and prepare food, and a place to perform basic hygiene functions. Here is the link to her story in which you CAN read how she was raised:
http://girlsguidetohomelessness.com/
I think that this story is far more complex than anyone knows, and that there are many things of which we are not aware in this story. However, it is readily apparent that Brianna is an extremely intelligent young woman, and she has put what little education she has received to good use. She does not appear to be related to the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type. Her ability to face up to, and survive, this tough period in her life is a result of the adversity she faced as a child. I am certainly not recommending that you subject your preteen children to abuse to get them used to handling life’s setbacks, but had she had parents who were totally indulgent, she would have had a much tougher time with the experience.
As for that “type”, they do exist, and their number seems to be increasing. As I mentioned earlier, I have friends and acquaintances who have deadbeat kids who are bleeding them dry financially and emotionally. I see many more stories on television that, although seemingly sensationalistic in their presentation, appear to be genuine based on what I have personally witnessed. Without exception, the parents in these situations are at the ends of their wits, and are desperate to get their kids to take responsibility for themselves (and sometimes their spouses/mates and children). Again, these are not adults who have simply fallen on hard times.
The problem is that these adult children were never raised to do things (anything!) for themselves, or to take responsibility in any form. In an effort to “love” them and make things easier for them, their parents handicapped them. If they made any actual rules (unlikely, they were never enforced. If the kids flunked classes, the parents complained to the school admin about the “bad” teachers. If the kids bullied other students, or committed vandalism or more serious criminal acts, they made excuses for them. Despite all this parental “love”, the kids didn’t grow up to be loving, giving, intelligent, productive adults ready to go out on their own.
[quote=AN] How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”
We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
I wouldn’t throw my kids out because, when they are here, they are contributing members of the family. We raised them in a very loving environment, but they had regular chores to do, they had to show respect to their elders and to each other, they were expected to fulfill school requirements, and they didn’t get anything they asked for, even if ALL their friends had it. They all had summer jobs that we let them know were as important for their school applications and future resumes as they were for the extra spending money. We didn’t hit them over the head with it, but we reminded them that they were in pretty fortunate circumstances. We taught them basic skills: budgeting, cooking, washing clothes, minor household repairs, changing tires. They could certainly let us know when they were angry, or unhappy, or didn’t agree with our decisions. But they knew not to yell at us, order us around, or curse us out, as so many of their friends did to their own parents. They grew up knowing that they could continue to live with us after age 18, but they would have to pay room and board (if they were not in school), take care of themselves and clean up, and perform a few chores, also. In addition, they still had to follow any rules we elected to set.
They also could choose to move into their own places. But they were well aware that they had to cover all their own expenses, and they knew roughly how much they would be because of their budgeting lessons. They knew that they were responsible for the entire nut. I’m proud to say that 3 out of our 4 kids are self-supporting and living on their own (our youngest is only 15, so we still get to torture her at home).
Our friends with the deadbeat kids who are desperate to get their lives back? It’s not going to happen. Just as they couldn’t face up to their kids when they were growing up, they can’t face up to them now and tell them to get jobs or to clean up after themselves or to pay for their own credit card bills. They keep hoping that a magic transformation will take place, and a responsible hard-working, independent adult will come and take the place of the rude, abusive, lazy, irresponsible deadbeat 27 or 30 year-old “kid” who’s running up $400 monthly cellphone bills and just had his 3rd car accident of the year. I don’t blame the kids. They simply don’t know how to act any other way. They didn’t receive a complete education.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]
What you’ve pointed out is key: we’re not talking about “throwing out” decent, hard-working kids who are trying to better their lives. We’re talking about not enabling the twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted counterparts — who believe they are entitled to sit on the couch all day, eating and drinking their parents’ food, and using their home (and all the comforts therein) without feeling the slightest inclination to pay or work for any of it.[/quote]
How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
AN, to set the record straight, the subject of the article (1) was not kicked out of her parents’ house, and (2) was not living out on the street without a roof over her head. According to her, she was subjected to a childhood of abuse while in the care of her bipolar mother. She details a lifetime of domestic turmoil, extraordinary academic achievement, and early economic independence (working an assortment of jobs from the age of 10). When she reached the age of legal emancipation, she left her mother’s home and sought to continue her education, while building her resume via a series of increasingly responsible administrative jobs.
At age 23 (in 2008), she was laid off from her corporate executive assistant position (as part of a major downsizing move). She was not able to find consistent employment that would cover her expenses, so she returned to her mother’s house. She said that she quickly realized (during a maternal bipolar event) that the situation she was in would not work for her, and she voluntarily left. Her biological father (with whom she had not shared a relationship in 20 years) had recently died, and she received a pickup truck and 30-foot travel trailer/mobile home from the estate. While not ideal, it did put a roof over her head, a bed under her body at night, a facility to store and prepare food, and a place to perform basic hygiene functions. Here is the link to her story in which you CAN read how she was raised:
http://girlsguidetohomelessness.com/
I think that this story is far more complex than anyone knows, and that there are many things of which we are not aware in this story. However, it is readily apparent that Brianna is an extremely intelligent young woman, and she has put what little education she has received to good use. She does not appear to be related to the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type. Her ability to face up to, and survive, this tough period in her life is a result of the adversity she faced as a child. I am certainly not recommending that you subject your preteen children to abuse to get them used to handling life’s setbacks, but had she had parents who were totally indulgent, she would have had a much tougher time with the experience.
As for that “type”, they do exist, and their number seems to be increasing. As I mentioned earlier, I have friends and acquaintances who have deadbeat kids who are bleeding them dry financially and emotionally. I see many more stories on television that, although seemingly sensationalistic in their presentation, appear to be genuine based on what I have personally witnessed. Without exception, the parents in these situations are at the ends of their wits, and are desperate to get their kids to take responsibility for themselves (and sometimes their spouses/mates and children). Again, these are not adults who have simply fallen on hard times.
The problem is that these adult children were never raised to do things (anything!) for themselves, or to take responsibility in any form. In an effort to “love” them and make things easier for them, their parents handicapped them. If they made any actual rules (unlikely, they were never enforced. If the kids flunked classes, the parents complained to the school admin about the “bad” teachers. If the kids bullied other students, or committed vandalism or more serious criminal acts, they made excuses for them. Despite all this parental “love”, the kids didn’t grow up to be loving, giving, intelligent, productive adults ready to go out on their own.
[quote=AN] How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”
We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
I wouldn’t throw my kids out because, when they are here, they are contributing members of the family. We raised them in a very loving environment, but they had regular chores to do, they had to show respect to their elders and to each other, they were expected to fulfill school requirements, and they didn’t get anything they asked for, even if ALL their friends had it. They all had summer jobs that we let them know were as important for their school applications and future resumes as they were for the extra spending money. We didn’t hit them over the head with it, but we reminded them that they were in pretty fortunate circumstances. We taught them basic skills: budgeting, cooking, washing clothes, minor household repairs, changing tires. They could certainly let us know when they were angry, or unhappy, or didn’t agree with our decisions. But they knew not to yell at us, order us around, or curse us out, as so many of their friends did to their own parents. They grew up knowing that they could continue to live with us after age 18, but they would have to pay room and board (if they were not in school), take care of themselves and clean up, and perform a few chores, also. In addition, they still had to follow any rules we elected to set.
They also could choose to move into their own places. But they were well aware that they had to cover all their own expenses, and they knew roughly how much they would be because of their budgeting lessons. They knew that they were responsible for the entire nut. I’m proud to say that 3 out of our 4 kids are self-supporting and living on their own (our youngest is only 15, so we still get to torture her at home).
Our friends with the deadbeat kids who are desperate to get their lives back? It’s not going to happen. Just as they couldn’t face up to their kids when they were growing up, they can’t face up to them now and tell them to get jobs or to clean up after themselves or to pay for their own credit card bills. They keep hoping that a magic transformation will take place, and a responsible hard-working, independent adult will come and take the place of the rude, abusive, lazy, irresponsible deadbeat 27 or 30 year-old “kid” who’s running up $400 monthly cellphone bills and just had his 3rd car accident of the year. I don’t blame the kids. They simply don’t know how to act any other way. They didn’t receive a complete education.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]
What you’ve pointed out is key: we’re not talking about “throwing out” decent, hard-working kids who are trying to better their lives. We’re talking about not enabling the twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted counterparts — who believe they are entitled to sit on the couch all day, eating and drinking their parents’ food, and using their home (and all the comforts therein) without feeling the slightest inclination to pay or work for any of it.[/quote]
How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
AN, to set the record straight, the subject of the article (1) was not kicked out of her parents’ house, and (2) was not living out on the street without a roof over her head. According to her, she was subjected to a childhood of abuse while in the care of her bipolar mother. She details a lifetime of domestic turmoil, extraordinary academic achievement, and early economic independence (working an assortment of jobs from the age of 10). When she reached the age of legal emancipation, she left her mother’s home and sought to continue her education, while building her resume via a series of increasingly responsible administrative jobs.
At age 23 (in 2008), she was laid off from her corporate executive assistant position (as part of a major downsizing move). She was not able to find consistent employment that would cover her expenses, so she returned to her mother’s house. She said that she quickly realized (during a maternal bipolar event) that the situation she was in would not work for her, and she voluntarily left. Her biological father (with whom she had not shared a relationship in 20 years) had recently died, and she received a pickup truck and 30-foot travel trailer/mobile home from the estate. While not ideal, it did put a roof over her head, a bed under her body at night, a facility to store and prepare food, and a place to perform basic hygiene functions. Here is the link to her story in which you CAN read how she was raised:
http://girlsguidetohomelessness.com/
I think that this story is far more complex than anyone knows, and that there are many things of which we are not aware in this story. However, it is readily apparent that Brianna is an extremely intelligent young woman, and she has put what little education she has received to good use. She does not appear to be related to the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type. Her ability to face up to, and survive, this tough period in her life is a result of the adversity she faced as a child. I am certainly not recommending that you subject your preteen children to abuse to get them used to handling life’s setbacks, but had she had parents who were totally indulgent, she would have had a much tougher time with the experience.
As for that “type”, they do exist, and their number seems to be increasing. As I mentioned earlier, I have friends and acquaintances who have deadbeat kids who are bleeding them dry financially and emotionally. I see many more stories on television that, although seemingly sensationalistic in their presentation, appear to be genuine based on what I have personally witnessed. Without exception, the parents in these situations are at the ends of their wits, and are desperate to get their kids to take responsibility for themselves (and sometimes their spouses/mates and children). Again, these are not adults who have simply fallen on hard times.
The problem is that these adult children were never raised to do things (anything!) for themselves, or to take responsibility in any form. In an effort to “love” them and make things easier for them, their parents handicapped them. If they made any actual rules (unlikely, they were never enforced. If the kids flunked classes, the parents complained to the school admin about the “bad” teachers. If the kids bullied other students, or committed vandalism or more serious criminal acts, they made excuses for them. Despite all this parental “love”, the kids didn’t grow up to be loving, giving, intelligent, productive adults ready to go out on their own.
[quote=AN] How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”
We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
I wouldn’t throw my kids out because, when they are here, they are contributing members of the family. We raised them in a very loving environment, but they had regular chores to do, they had to show respect to their elders and to each other, they were expected to fulfill school requirements, and they didn’t get anything they asked for, even if ALL their friends had it. They all had summer jobs that we let them know were as important for their school applications and future resumes as they were for the extra spending money. We didn’t hit them over the head with it, but we reminded them that they were in pretty fortunate circumstances. We taught them basic skills: budgeting, cooking, washing clothes, minor household repairs, changing tires. They could certainly let us know when they were angry, or unhappy, or didn’t agree with our decisions. But they knew not to yell at us, order us around, or curse us out, as so many of their friends did to their own parents. They grew up knowing that they could continue to live with us after age 18, but they would have to pay room and board (if they were not in school), take care of themselves and clean up, and perform a few chores, also. In addition, they still had to follow any rules we elected to set.
They also could choose to move into their own places. But they were well aware that they had to cover all their own expenses, and they knew roughly how much they would be because of their budgeting lessons. They knew that they were responsible for the entire nut. I’m proud to say that 3 out of our 4 kids are self-supporting and living on their own (our youngest is only 15, so we still get to torture her at home).
Our friends with the deadbeat kids who are desperate to get their lives back? It’s not going to happen. Just as they couldn’t face up to their kids when they were growing up, they can’t face up to them now and tell them to get jobs or to clean up after themselves or to pay for their own credit card bills. They keep hoping that a magic transformation will take place, and a responsible hard-working, independent adult will come and take the place of the rude, abusive, lazy, irresponsible deadbeat 27 or 30 year-old “kid” who’s running up $400 monthly cellphone bills and just had his 3rd car accident of the year. I don’t blame the kids. They simply don’t know how to act any other way. They didn’t receive a complete education.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]
What you’ve pointed out is key: we’re not talking about “throwing out” decent, hard-working kids who are trying to better their lives. We’re talking about not enabling the twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted counterparts — who believe they are entitled to sit on the couch all day, eating and drinking their parents’ food, and using their home (and all the comforts therein) without feeling the slightest inclination to pay or work for any of it.[/quote]
How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
AN, to set the record straight, the subject of the article (1) was not kicked out of her parents’ house, and (2) was not living out on the street without a roof over her head. According to her, she was subjected to a childhood of abuse while in the care of her bipolar mother. She details a lifetime of domestic turmoil, extraordinary academic achievement, and early economic independence (working an assortment of jobs from the age of 10). When she reached the age of legal emancipation, she left her mother’s home and sought to continue her education, while building her resume via a series of increasingly responsible administrative jobs.
At age 23 (in 2008), she was laid off from her corporate executive assistant position (as part of a major downsizing move). She was not able to find consistent employment that would cover her expenses, so she returned to her mother’s house. She said that she quickly realized (during a maternal bipolar event) that the situation she was in would not work for her, and she voluntarily left. Her biological father (with whom she had not shared a relationship in 20 years) had recently died, and she received a pickup truck and 30-foot travel trailer/mobile home from the estate. While not ideal, it did put a roof over her head, a bed under her body at night, a facility to store and prepare food, and a place to perform basic hygiene functions. Here is the link to her story in which you CAN read how she was raised:
http://girlsguidetohomelessness.com/
I think that this story is far more complex than anyone knows, and that there are many things of which we are not aware in this story. However, it is readily apparent that Brianna is an extremely intelligent young woman, and she has put what little education she has received to good use. She does not appear to be related to the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type. Her ability to face up to, and survive, this tough period in her life is a result of the adversity she faced as a child. I am certainly not recommending that you subject your preteen children to abuse to get them used to handling life’s setbacks, but had she had parents who were totally indulgent, she would have had a much tougher time with the experience.
As for that “type”, they do exist, and their number seems to be increasing. As I mentioned earlier, I have friends and acquaintances who have deadbeat kids who are bleeding them dry financially and emotionally. I see many more stories on television that, although seemingly sensationalistic in their presentation, appear to be genuine based on what I have personally witnessed. Without exception, the parents in these situations are at the ends of their wits, and are desperate to get their kids to take responsibility for themselves (and sometimes their spouses/mates and children). Again, these are not adults who have simply fallen on hard times.
The problem is that these adult children were never raised to do things (anything!) for themselves, or to take responsibility in any form. In an effort to “love” them and make things easier for them, their parents handicapped them. If they made any actual rules (unlikely, they were never enforced. If the kids flunked classes, the parents complained to the school admin about the “bad” teachers. If the kids bullied other students, or committed vandalism or more serious criminal acts, they made excuses for them. Despite all this parental “love”, the kids didn’t grow up to be loving, giving, intelligent, productive adults ready to go out on their own.
[quote=AN] How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”
We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
I wouldn’t throw my kids out because, when they are here, they are contributing members of the family. We raised them in a very loving environment, but they had regular chores to do, they had to show respect to their elders and to each other, they were expected to fulfill school requirements, and they didn’t get anything they asked for, even if ALL their friends had it. They all had summer jobs that we let them know were as important for their school applications and future resumes as they were for the extra spending money. We didn’t hit them over the head with it, but we reminded them that they were in pretty fortunate circumstances. We taught them basic skills: budgeting, cooking, washing clothes, minor household repairs, changing tires. They could certainly let us know when they were angry, or unhappy, or didn’t agree with our decisions. But they knew not to yell at us, order us around, or curse us out, as so many of their friends did to their own parents. They grew up knowing that they could continue to live with us after age 18, but they would have to pay room and board (if they were not in school), take care of themselves and clean up, and perform a few chores, also. In addition, they still had to follow any rules we elected to set.
They also could choose to move into their own places. But they were well aware that they had to cover all their own expenses, and they knew roughly how much they would be because of their budgeting lessons. They knew that they were responsible for the entire nut. I’m proud to say that 3 out of our 4 kids are self-supporting and living on their own (our youngest is only 15, so we still get to torture her at home).
Our friends with the deadbeat kids who are desperate to get their lives back? It’s not going to happen. Just as they couldn’t face up to their kids when they were growing up, they can’t face up to them now and tell them to get jobs or to clean up after themselves or to pay for their own credit card bills. They keep hoping that a magic transformation will take place, and a responsible hard-working, independent adult will come and take the place of the rude, abusive, lazy, irresponsible deadbeat 27 or 30 year-old “kid” who’s running up $400 monthly cellphone bills and just had his 3rd car accident of the year. I don’t blame the kids. They simply don’t know how to act any other way. They didn’t receive a complete education.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]
What you’ve pointed out is key: we’re not talking about “throwing out” decent, hard-working kids who are trying to better their lives. We’re talking about not enabling the twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted counterparts — who believe they are entitled to sit on the couch all day, eating and drinking their parents’ food, and using their home (and all the comforts therein) without feeling the slightest inclination to pay or work for any of it.[/quote]
How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
AN, to set the record straight, the subject of the article (1) was not kicked out of her parents’ house, and (2) was not living out on the street without a roof over her head. According to her, she was subjected to a childhood of abuse while in the care of her bipolar mother. She details a lifetime of domestic turmoil, extraordinary academic achievement, and early economic independence (working an assortment of jobs from the age of 10). When she reached the age of legal emancipation, she left her mother’s home and sought to continue her education, while building her resume via a series of increasingly responsible administrative jobs.
At age 23 (in 2008), she was laid off from her corporate executive assistant position (as part of a major downsizing move). She was not able to find consistent employment that would cover her expenses, so she returned to her mother’s house. She said that she quickly realized (during a maternal bipolar event) that the situation she was in would not work for her, and she voluntarily left. Her biological father (with whom she had not shared a relationship in 20 years) had recently died, and she received a pickup truck and 30-foot travel trailer/mobile home from the estate. While not ideal, it did put a roof over her head, a bed under her body at night, a facility to store and prepare food, and a place to perform basic hygiene functions. Here is the link to her story in which you CAN read how she was raised:
http://girlsguidetohomelessness.com/
I think that this story is far more complex than anyone knows, and that there are many things of which we are not aware in this story. However, it is readily apparent that Brianna is an extremely intelligent young woman, and she has put what little education she has received to good use. She does not appear to be related to the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type. Her ability to face up to, and survive, this tough period in her life is a result of the adversity she faced as a child. I am certainly not recommending that you subject your preteen children to abuse to get them used to handling life’s setbacks, but had she had parents who were totally indulgent, she would have had a much tougher time with the experience.
As for that “type”, they do exist, and their number seems to be increasing. As I mentioned earlier, I have friends and acquaintances who have deadbeat kids who are bleeding them dry financially and emotionally. I see many more stories on television that, although seemingly sensationalistic in their presentation, appear to be genuine based on what I have personally witnessed. Without exception, the parents in these situations are at the ends of their wits, and are desperate to get their kids to take responsibility for themselves (and sometimes their spouses/mates and children). Again, these are not adults who have simply fallen on hard times.
The problem is that these adult children were never raised to do things (anything!) for themselves, or to take responsibility in any form. In an effort to “love” them and make things easier for them, their parents handicapped them. If they made any actual rules (unlikely, they were never enforced. If the kids flunked classes, the parents complained to the school admin about the “bad” teachers. If the kids bullied other students, or committed vandalism or more serious criminal acts, they made excuses for them. Despite all this parental “love”, the kids didn’t grow up to be loving, giving, intelligent, productive adults ready to go out on their own.
[quote=AN] How do you know the 23 yr. old in the original post is the “twitchy-thumbed video game addicts — and their TV/computer-addicted” type? Here’s what the OP said: “I brought this up because I just read an article in yahoo about a 23 yr old homeless girl who was kicked out of the parents’ house.”
We don’t know how the 23 yr. old was raised up but we do know she’s currently homeless. Would any of you kick out your kid(s) (event the TV/video game addicts type), knowing they’ll be homeless?[/quote]
I wouldn’t throw my kids out because, when they are here, they are contributing members of the family. We raised them in a very loving environment, but they had regular chores to do, they had to show respect to their elders and to each other, they were expected to fulfill school requirements, and they didn’t get anything they asked for, even if ALL their friends had it. They all had summer jobs that we let them know were as important for their school applications and future resumes as they were for the extra spending money. We didn’t hit them over the head with it, but we reminded them that they were in pretty fortunate circumstances. We taught them basic skills: budgeting, cooking, washing clothes, minor household repairs, changing tires. They could certainly let us know when they were angry, or unhappy, or didn’t agree with our decisions. But they knew not to yell at us, order us around, or curse us out, as so many of their friends did to their own parents. They grew up knowing that they could continue to live with us after age 18, but they would have to pay room and board (if they were not in school), take care of themselves and clean up, and perform a few chores, also. In addition, they still had to follow any rules we elected to set.
They also could choose to move into their own places. But they were well aware that they had to cover all their own expenses, and they knew roughly how much they would be because of their budgeting lessons. They knew that they were responsible for the entire nut. I’m proud to say that 3 out of our 4 kids are self-supporting and living on their own (our youngest is only 15, so we still get to torture her at home).
Our friends with the deadbeat kids who are desperate to get their lives back? It’s not going to happen. Just as they couldn’t face up to their kids when they were growing up, they can’t face up to them now and tell them to get jobs or to clean up after themselves or to pay for their own credit card bills. They keep hoping that a magic transformation will take place, and a responsible hard-working, independent adult will come and take the place of the rude, abusive, lazy, irresponsible deadbeat 27 or 30 year-old “kid” who’s running up $400 monthly cellphone bills and just had his 3rd car accident of the year. I don’t blame the kids. They simply don’t know how to act any other way. They didn’t receive a complete education.
May 31, 2011 at 9:35 PM in reply to: Excellent summation why housing market will be terrible for a long time #700271Participant[quote=ctr70]This was from Barons…Mark Hanson is a well known mortgage industry guru…
“Toss in unfavorable demographics, mounting energy costs, a miserable excuse for a mortgage market and inexorably declining home prices…well, you get the point. Housing is one of those festering sores on the economy that will be with us for quite a spell. And so long as it is, or until jobs grow more abundant and consumer income muscles up, the likelihood of a decent and sustained rebound for the industry seems a good piece off. And, we’re afraid, the economy’s recovery is apt to maintain its desultory pace.”[/quote]After reading this, I was gratified to hear Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Economy.com, being interviewed by Gwen Ifill on the PBS Newshour today.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june11/housing_05-31.html
Zandi apparently showed up to make his regularly scheduled quarterly prediction that the housing market would hit bottom later this year, and then start its recovery (he was also quoted on NPR newscasts all afternoon). For those who haven’t had the good fortune to follow Zandi, he’s been making this same prediction since 2006:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/zandi/
I have a very busy schedule, and a lot going on in my life, so it’s good to know that I can count on a reputable firm like Moody’s to keep a guy like Zandi on staff, and in the public eye, to ensure that I get accurate, up-to-date, expert advice on the latest in housing trends.
Seriously, it’s bad enough when the general public lionizes so-called “experts” who are anything but. But when leading policymakers and the most respected of journalists continue to use them as authoritative sources of information, I get really depressed. There’s simply no hope. I mean, how tough is it for journalists or the staffs of leading political office holders to do a little background research into these people? It’s not like the days where you had to go through miles of microfilm or pore through hundreds of pages of crumbling newsprint. The worst you have to do today is to winnow out the reputable stuff from the crap on the internet when you engage in information harvesting.
Don’t ANY of these people question why the name “Mark Zandi” keeps coming up as an “expert”, and yet the predictions he makes NEVER come true? If I was a journalist, I’d be mortified to find that I had presented opinions from this guy as expert, and that I had staked my reputation as a journalist on the “information” he was providing to my readers/listeners.
May 31, 2011 at 9:35 PM in reply to: Excellent summation why housing market will be terrible for a long time #700368Participant[quote=ctr70]This was from Barons…Mark Hanson is a well known mortgage industry guru…
“Toss in unfavorable demographics, mounting energy costs, a miserable excuse for a mortgage market and inexorably declining home prices…well, you get the point. Housing is one of those festering sores on the economy that will be with us for quite a spell. And so long as it is, or until jobs grow more abundant and consumer income muscles up, the likelihood of a decent and sustained rebound for the industry seems a good piece off. And, we’re afraid, the economy’s recovery is apt to maintain its desultory pace.”[/quote]After reading this, I was gratified to hear Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Economy.com, being interviewed by Gwen Ifill on the PBS Newshour today.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june11/housing_05-31.html
Zandi apparently showed up to make his regularly scheduled quarterly prediction that the housing market would hit bottom later this year, and then start its recovery (he was also quoted on NPR newscasts all afternoon). For those who haven’t had the good fortune to follow Zandi, he’s been making this same prediction since 2006:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/zandi/
I have a very busy schedule, and a lot going on in my life, so it’s good to know that I can count on a reputable firm like Moody’s to keep a guy like Zandi on staff, and in the public eye, to ensure that I get accurate, up-to-date, expert advice on the latest in housing trends.
Seriously, it’s bad enough when the general public lionizes so-called “experts” who are anything but. But when leading policymakers and the most respected of journalists continue to use them as authoritative sources of information, I get really depressed. There’s simply no hope. I mean, how tough is it for journalists or the staffs of leading political office holders to do a little background research into these people? It’s not like the days where you had to go through miles of microfilm or pore through hundreds of pages of crumbling newsprint. The worst you have to do today is to winnow out the reputable stuff from the crap on the internet when you engage in information harvesting.
Don’t ANY of these people question why the name “Mark Zandi” keeps coming up as an “expert”, and yet the predictions he makes NEVER come true? If I was a journalist, I’d be mortified to find that I had presented opinions from this guy as expert, and that I had staked my reputation as a journalist on the “information” he was providing to my readers/listeners.
May 31, 2011 at 9:35 PM in reply to: Excellent summation why housing market will be terrible for a long time #700957Participant[quote=ctr70]This was from Barons…Mark Hanson is a well known mortgage industry guru…
“Toss in unfavorable demographics, mounting energy costs, a miserable excuse for a mortgage market and inexorably declining home prices…well, you get the point. Housing is one of those festering sores on the economy that will be with us for quite a spell. And so long as it is, or until jobs grow more abundant and consumer income muscles up, the likelihood of a decent and sustained rebound for the industry seems a good piece off. And, we’re afraid, the economy’s recovery is apt to maintain its desultory pace.”[/quote]After reading this, I was gratified to hear Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Economy.com, being interviewed by Gwen Ifill on the PBS Newshour today.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june11/housing_05-31.html
Zandi apparently showed up to make his regularly scheduled quarterly prediction that the housing market would hit bottom later this year, and then start its recovery (he was also quoted on NPR newscasts all afternoon). For those who haven’t had the good fortune to follow Zandi, he’s been making this same prediction since 2006:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/zandi/
I have a very busy schedule, and a lot going on in my life, so it’s good to know that I can count on a reputable firm like Moody’s to keep a guy like Zandi on staff, and in the public eye, to ensure that I get accurate, up-to-date, expert advice on the latest in housing trends.
Seriously, it’s bad enough when the general public lionizes so-called “experts” who are anything but. But when leading policymakers and the most respected of journalists continue to use them as authoritative sources of information, I get really depressed. There’s simply no hope. I mean, how tough is it for journalists or the staffs of leading political office holders to do a little background research into these people? It’s not like the days where you had to go through miles of microfilm or pore through hundreds of pages of crumbling newsprint. The worst you have to do today is to winnow out the reputable stuff from the crap on the internet when you engage in information harvesting.
Don’t ANY of these people question why the name “Mark Zandi” keeps coming up as an “expert”, and yet the predictions he makes NEVER come true? If I was a journalist, I’d be mortified to find that I had presented opinions from this guy as expert, and that I had staked my reputation as a journalist on the “information” he was providing to my readers/listeners.
May 31, 2011 at 9:35 PM in reply to: Excellent summation why housing market will be terrible for a long time #701105Participant[quote=ctr70]This was from Barons…Mark Hanson is a well known mortgage industry guru…
“Toss in unfavorable demographics, mounting energy costs, a miserable excuse for a mortgage market and inexorably declining home prices…well, you get the point. Housing is one of those festering sores on the economy that will be with us for quite a spell. And so long as it is, or until jobs grow more abundant and consumer income muscles up, the likelihood of a decent and sustained rebound for the industry seems a good piece off. And, we’re afraid, the economy’s recovery is apt to maintain its desultory pace.”[/quote]After reading this, I was gratified to hear Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Economy.com, being interviewed by Gwen Ifill on the PBS Newshour today.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june11/housing_05-31.html
Zandi apparently showed up to make his regularly scheduled quarterly prediction that the housing market would hit bottom later this year, and then start its recovery (he was also quoted on NPR newscasts all afternoon). For those who haven’t had the good fortune to follow Zandi, he’s been making this same prediction since 2006:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/zandi/
I have a very busy schedule, and a lot going on in my life, so it’s good to know that I can count on a reputable firm like Moody’s to keep a guy like Zandi on staff, and in the public eye, to ensure that I get accurate, up-to-date, expert advice on the latest in housing trends.
Seriously, it’s bad enough when the general public lionizes so-called “experts” who are anything but. But when leading policymakers and the most respected of journalists continue to use them as authoritative sources of information, I get really depressed. There’s simply no hope. I mean, how tough is it for journalists or the staffs of leading political office holders to do a little background research into these people? It’s not like the days where you had to go through miles of microfilm or pore through hundreds of pages of crumbling newsprint. The worst you have to do today is to winnow out the reputable stuff from the crap on the internet when you engage in information harvesting.
Don’t ANY of these people question why the name “Mark Zandi” keeps coming up as an “expert”, and yet the predictions he makes NEVER come true? If I was a journalist, I’d be mortified to find that I had presented opinions from this guy as expert, and that I had staked my reputation as a journalist on the “information” he was providing to my readers/listeners.
May 31, 2011 at 9:35 PM in reply to: Excellent summation why housing market will be terrible for a long time #701464Participant[quote=ctr70]This was from Barons…Mark Hanson is a well known mortgage industry guru…
“Toss in unfavorable demographics, mounting energy costs, a miserable excuse for a mortgage market and inexorably declining home prices…well, you get the point. Housing is one of those festering sores on the economy that will be with us for quite a spell. And so long as it is, or until jobs grow more abundant and consumer income muscles up, the likelihood of a decent and sustained rebound for the industry seems a good piece off. And, we’re afraid, the economy’s recovery is apt to maintain its desultory pace.”[/quote]After reading this, I was gratified to hear Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Economy.com, being interviewed by Gwen Ifill on the PBS Newshour today.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june11/housing_05-31.html
Zandi apparently showed up to make his regularly scheduled quarterly prediction that the housing market would hit bottom later this year, and then start its recovery (he was also quoted on NPR newscasts all afternoon). For those who haven’t had the good fortune to follow Zandi, he’s been making this same prediction since 2006:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/zandi/
I have a very busy schedule, and a lot going on in my life, so it’s good to know that I can count on a reputable firm like Moody’s to keep a guy like Zandi on staff, and in the public eye, to ensure that I get accurate, up-to-date, expert advice on the latest in housing trends.
Seriously, it’s bad enough when the general public lionizes so-called “experts” who are anything but. But when leading policymakers and the most respected of journalists continue to use them as authoritative sources of information, I get really depressed. There’s simply no hope. I mean, how tough is it for journalists or the staffs of leading political office holders to do a little background research into these people? It’s not like the days where you had to go through miles of microfilm or pore through hundreds of pages of crumbling newsprint. The worst you have to do today is to winnow out the reputable stuff from the crap on the internet when you engage in information harvesting.
Don’t ANY of these people question why the name “Mark Zandi” keeps coming up as an “expert”, and yet the predictions he makes NEVER come true? If I was a journalist, I’d be mortified to find that I had presented opinions from this guy as expert, and that I had staked my reputation as a journalist on the “information” he was providing to my readers/listeners.
Participant[quote=Rich Toscano][quote=jficquette]High gas prices only mattered when Bush was in office. Ok now with Obama.[/quote]
http://piggington.com/threadjackers_will_be_persecuted_maybe_even_prosecuted%5B/quote%5D
Thank you, Rich!!!
No, they matter ALL THE TIME! And that’s how we should ALL be thinking. They matter a great deal. People are having to choose between buying food or driving to their jobs – those that are fortunate enough to have jobs, that is.
Note that the people having to make these choices are of all political persuasions. We are from all parts of the country, we come from different educational and cultural backgrounds, and we are all facing different challenges.
But the one thing that we have in common is that we’re part of a huge middle class that is being negatively affected by economic forces, and we have to find a way to deal with it.
The last thing we need to be doing is splitting into factions and battling each other on stuff like this. It is not only unhelpful, it is destructive. It distracts us from the tasks at hand, and is demoralizing in the process. WE aren’t the enemy.
Cripes! When does it end?!
Participant[quote=Rich Toscano][quote=jficquette]High gas prices only mattered when Bush was in office. Ok now with Obama.[/quote]
http://piggington.com/threadjackers_will_be_persecuted_maybe_even_prosecuted%5B/quote%5D
Thank you, Rich!!!
No, they matter ALL THE TIME! And that’s how we should ALL be thinking. They matter a great deal. People are having to choose between buying food or driving to their jobs – those that are fortunate enough to have jobs, that is.
Note that the people having to make these choices are of all political persuasions. We are from all parts of the country, we come from different educational and cultural backgrounds, and we are all facing different challenges.
But the one thing that we have in common is that we’re part of a huge middle class that is being negatively affected by economic forces, and we have to find a way to deal with it.
The last thing we need to be doing is splitting into factions and battling each other on stuff like this. It is not only unhelpful, it is destructive. It distracts us from the tasks at hand, and is demoralizing in the process. WE aren’t the enemy.
Cripes! When does it end?!
Participant[quote=Rich Toscano][quote=jficquette]High gas prices only mattered when Bush was in office. Ok now with Obama.[/quote]
http://piggington.com/threadjackers_will_be_persecuted_maybe_even_prosecuted%5B/quote%5D
Thank you, Rich!!!
No, they matter ALL THE TIME! And that’s how we should ALL be thinking. They matter a great deal. People are having to choose between buying food or driving to their jobs – those that are fortunate enough to have jobs, that is.
Note that the people having to make these choices are of all political persuasions. We are from all parts of the country, we come from different educational and cultural backgrounds, and we are all facing different challenges.
But the one thing that we have in common is that we’re part of a huge middle class that is being negatively affected by economic forces, and we have to find a way to deal with it.
The last thing we need to be doing is splitting into factions and battling each other on stuff like this. It is not only unhelpful, it is destructive. It distracts us from the tasks at hand, and is demoralizing in the process. WE aren’t the enemy.
Cripes! When does it end?!
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