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[quote=flu][quote=UCGal].

It’s not a prerequisite, but I’m one of those parents that prefer offsite…Namely

1)Cleaning up or own place afterwards is a total pain.

2)Liability. If I rent a jumper for instance, and some kid slips and hits his head on the ground…. Close friends this isn’t an issue. Some not so close friends (like a classmate’s parent, different story). Most of those offsite places make parents sign a liability waver.

3)I live in a stucco box with very little yard in back.

4)I have white/beige carpets.[/quote]

Sorry, I screwed up on my previous post….

Flu, I heartily concur with your viewpoint on offsite parties, especially reasons #1 and #4.

Back in the late ’80s, I had my house on the market, and there was quite a bit of interest in it. Not wanting to disappoint my child on his birthday, I told my realtor to suspend visits that afternoon so we could have his party. Right before the party was scheduled to begin, I received a call from my realtor, and we set up a walk-through for an hour after the party’s end.

Sure enough, a few parents neglected to pick up their children on time, and one of the poor critters (kids, not parents) got sick and released about 3 quarts of fuschia-colored vomitus all over my front walk less than ten minutes before the prospective buyers were set to appear. Fortunately, since it was outside, we could hose it down, but the experience served to make me a true believer in offsite birthday festivities.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=flu][quote=UCGal].

It’s not a prerequisite, but I’m one of those parents that prefer offsite…Namely

1)Cleaning up or own place afterwards is a total pain.

2)Liability. If I rent a jumper for instance, and some kid slips and hits his head on the ground…. Close friends this isn’t an issue. Some not so close friends (like a classmate’s parent, different story). Most of those offsite places make parents sign a liability waver.

3)I live in a stucco box with very little yard in back.

4)I have white/beige carpets.[/quote]

Sorry, I screwed up on my previous post….

Flu, I heartily concur with your viewpoint on offsite parties, especially reasons #1 and #4.

Back in the late ’80s, I had my house on the market, and there was quite a bit of interest in it. Not wanting to disappoint my child on his birthday, I told my realtor to suspend visits that afternoon so we could have his party. Right before the party was scheduled to begin, I received a call from my realtor, and we set up a walk-through for an hour after the party’s end.

Sure enough, a few parents neglected to pick up their children on time, and one of the poor critters (kids, not parents) got sick and released about 3 quarts of fuschia-colored vomitus all over my front walk less than ten minutes before the prospective buyers were set to appear. Fortunately, since it was outside, we could hose it down, but the experience served to make me a true believer in offsite birthday festivities.

[eavesdropper]

flu, I think your gift pricing is totally appropriate. I’ve been a mom for 28 years (my youngest is about to turn 15, if I choose to let her), and have much experience in birthday etiquette. In that timespan, I’ve seen birthday parties go from modest celebrations that the kids – both celebrant and guests – enjoyed thoroughly, to exercises in excess that honestly had nothing to do with the kid’s birthday (aside from the date) and everything to do with the parents’ need to flex their exhibitionist muscle.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t anything I could do about that, but I didn’t let that affect my gifting decisions. The “keeping up with the Joneses” stuff really took off in the mid-80s, and it was not only how big a blowout you could throw, but also the number of guests for whom you could throw it. Ergo, my kids were always getting invited to parties for kids they barely knew. I gave them a choice as to whether they wanted to attend, and worked out a costing model similar to yours.

Quite honestly, I think many of us have lost the concept of what a gift is – something that we want to give someone because we’re grateful for something they did and want to show that gratitude, or because we care for them and want to make them happy. The scenario #3 you list is an easy one because it fits this description, and that’s why the amount is open-ended. Scenario #2 isn’t terribly difficult, either.

However, #1 is tough because you don’t want to tell your child that they can’t attend a birthday party. So, in that situation, the $15 or $20 is the cost of maintaining a part of your kid’s social life. But I’ve never felt an obligation to give more because of what other people might be giving. Trust me: most of the parents giving the pricey gifts are doing so not because they’re so fond of the birthday child, but because they are concerned about how others will judge them.

Someone wrote that you cannot give a cheaper gift to someone who has already given your child a more expensive gift. I can’t agree with this. If the child is a close friend, I’m already searching for an above-average cost gift that I really feel (very important) will give the child pleasure, and that will be my criteria – not whether his/her parents spent more on a gift for my kid. Over the years, I’ve witnessed a significant number of parents who give gifts inappropriate to the level of friendship, either because they just can’t help themselves from overspending, or because they are worried about what others will say.

So I think your pricing is appropriate, and if it works for you, stick to it.

Re: #2, I usually brought a gift from each child. But I only took the 2nd child if he/she truly qualified as a playmate or friend.

Re: #3, I agree with those who said that wrapping is essential as the opening of the gift is almost as important as the gift itself. I know that I like it, pretty much everyone I know likes it, and it also provides great photo ops. Buy inexpensive wrapping paper at the dollar store, or have your child find a way to wrap/decorate the package. Then you’ll at least have some of your guilt assuaged by the knowledge that you engaged your kid in a creative activity.

Re: #4, regifting never occurred to me, but I don’t find anything particularly offensive about the idea, so long as you’re careful about it (I don’t think that the gift-giving parents would take it in stride). I think your success is dependent upon your kids: I have some that were aware of every gift they received three years after the party, and others who remembered only one or two by the week’s end. I can empathize with your having to deal with the sheer amount of stuff; being almost-empty nesters, we downsized recently, and what a treat that was! Since it appears that the recession will only be deepening in the foreseeable future, perhaps you can stockpile some of the gifts for holiday toy drives.

[eavesdropper]

flu, I think your gift pricing is totally appropriate. I’ve been a mom for 28 years (my youngest is about to turn 15, if I choose to let her), and have much experience in birthday etiquette. In that timespan, I’ve seen birthday parties go from modest celebrations that the kids – both celebrant and guests – enjoyed thoroughly, to exercises in excess that honestly had nothing to do with the kid’s birthday (aside from the date) and everything to do with the parents’ need to flex their exhibitionist muscle.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t anything I could do about that, but I didn’t let that affect my gifting decisions. The “keeping up with the Joneses” stuff really took off in the mid-80s, and it was not only how big a blowout you could throw, but also the number of guests for whom you could throw it. Ergo, my kids were always getting invited to parties for kids they barely knew. I gave them a choice as to whether they wanted to attend, and worked out a costing model similar to yours.

Quite honestly, I think many of us have lost the concept of what a gift is – something that we want to give someone because we’re grateful for something they did and want to show that gratitude, or because we care for them and want to make them happy. The scenario #3 you list is an easy one because it fits this description, and that’s why the amount is open-ended. Scenario #2 isn’t terribly difficult, either.

However, #1 is tough because you don’t want to tell your child that they can’t attend a birthday party. So, in that situation, the $15 or $20 is the cost of maintaining a part of your kid’s social life. But I’ve never felt an obligation to give more because of what other people might be giving. Trust me: most of the parents giving the pricey gifts are doing so not because they’re so fond of the birthday child, but because they are concerned about how others will judge them.

Someone wrote that you cannot give a cheaper gift to someone who has already given your child a more expensive gift. I can’t agree with this. If the child is a close friend, I’m already searching for an above-average cost gift that I really feel (very important) will give the child pleasure, and that will be my criteria – not whether his/her parents spent more on a gift for my kid. Over the years, I’ve witnessed a significant number of parents who give gifts inappropriate to the level of friendship, either because they just can’t help themselves from overspending, or because they are worried about what others will say.

So I think your pricing is appropriate, and if it works for you, stick to it.

Re: #2, I usually brought a gift from each child. But I only took the 2nd child if he/she truly qualified as a playmate or friend.

Re: #3, I agree with those who said that wrapping is essential as the opening of the gift is almost as important as the gift itself. I know that I like it, pretty much everyone I know likes it, and it also provides great photo ops. Buy inexpensive wrapping paper at the dollar store, or have your child find a way to wrap/decorate the package. Then you’ll at least have some of your guilt assuaged by the knowledge that you engaged your kid in a creative activity.

Re: #4, regifting never occurred to me, but I don’t find anything particularly offensive about the idea, so long as you’re careful about it (I don’t think that the gift-giving parents would take it in stride). I think your success is dependent upon your kids: I have some that were aware of every gift they received three years after the party, and others who remembered only one or two by the week’s end. I can empathize with your having to deal with the sheer amount of stuff; being almost-empty nesters, we downsized recently, and what a treat that was! Since it appears that the recession will only be deepening in the foreseeable future, perhaps you can stockpile some of the gifts for holiday toy drives.

[eavesdropper]

flu, I think your gift pricing is totally appropriate. I’ve been a mom for 28 years (my youngest is about to turn 15, if I choose to let her), and have much experience in birthday etiquette. In that timespan, I’ve seen birthday parties go from modest celebrations that the kids – both celebrant and guests – enjoyed thoroughly, to exercises in excess that honestly had nothing to do with the kid’s birthday (aside from the date) and everything to do with the parents’ need to flex their exhibitionist muscle.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t anything I could do about that, but I didn’t let that affect my gifting decisions. The “keeping up with the Joneses” stuff really took off in the mid-80s, and it was not only how big a blowout you could throw, but also the number of guests for whom you could throw it. Ergo, my kids were always getting invited to parties for kids they barely knew. I gave them a choice as to whether they wanted to attend, and worked out a costing model similar to yours.

Quite honestly, I think many of us have lost the concept of what a gift is – something that we want to give someone because we’re grateful for something they did and want to show that gratitude, or because we care for them and want to make them happy. The scenario #3 you list is an easy one because it fits this description, and that’s why the amount is open-ended. Scenario #2 isn’t terribly difficult, either.

However, #1 is tough because you don’t want to tell your child that they can’t attend a birthday party. So, in that situation, the $15 or $20 is the cost of maintaining a part of your kid’s social life. But I’ve never felt an obligation to give more because of what other people might be giving. Trust me: most of the parents giving the pricey gifts are doing so not because they’re so fond of the birthday child, but because they are concerned about how others will judge them.

Someone wrote that you cannot give a cheaper gift to someone who has already given your child a more expensive gift. I can’t agree with this. If the child is a close friend, I’m already searching for an above-average cost gift that I really feel (very important) will give the child pleasure, and that will be my criteria – not whether his/her parents spent more on a gift for my kid. Over the years, I’ve witnessed a significant number of parents who give gifts inappropriate to the level of friendship, either because they just can’t help themselves from overspending, or because they are worried about what others will say.

So I think your pricing is appropriate, and if it works for you, stick to it.

Re: #2, I usually brought a gift from each child. But I only took the 2nd child if he/she truly qualified as a playmate or friend.

Re: #3, I agree with those who said that wrapping is essential as the opening of the gift is almost as important as the gift itself. I know that I like it, pretty much everyone I know likes it, and it also provides great photo ops. Buy inexpensive wrapping paper at the dollar store, or have your child find a way to wrap/decorate the package. Then you’ll at least have some of your guilt assuaged by the knowledge that you engaged your kid in a creative activity.

Re: #4, regifting never occurred to me, but I don’t find anything particularly offensive about the idea, so long as you’re careful about it (I don’t think that the gift-giving parents would take it in stride). I think your success is dependent upon your kids: I have some that were aware of every gift they received three years after the party, and others who remembered only one or two by the week’s end. I can empathize with your having to deal with the sheer amount of stuff; being almost-empty nesters, we downsized recently, and what a treat that was! Since it appears that the recession will only be deepening in the foreseeable future, perhaps you can stockpile some of the gifts for holiday toy drives.

[eavesdropper]

flu, I think your gift pricing is totally appropriate. I’ve been a mom for 28 years (my youngest is about to turn 15, if I choose to let her), and have much experience in birthday etiquette. In that timespan, I’ve seen birthday parties go from modest celebrations that the kids – both celebrant and guests – enjoyed thoroughly, to exercises in excess that honestly had nothing to do with the kid’s birthday (aside from the date) and everything to do with the parents’ need to flex their exhibitionist muscle.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t anything I could do about that, but I didn’t let that affect my gifting decisions. The “keeping up with the Joneses” stuff really took off in the mid-80s, and it was not only how big a blowout you could throw, but also the number of guests for whom you could throw it. Ergo, my kids were always getting invited to parties for kids they barely knew. I gave them a choice as to whether they wanted to attend, and worked out a costing model similar to yours.

Quite honestly, I think many of us have lost the concept of what a gift is – something that we want to give someone because we’re grateful for something they did and want to show that gratitude, or because we care for them and want to make them happy. The scenario #3 you list is an easy one because it fits this description, and that’s why the amount is open-ended. Scenario #2 isn’t terribly difficult, either.

However, #1 is tough because you don’t want to tell your child that they can’t attend a birthday party. So, in that situation, the $15 or $20 is the cost of maintaining a part of your kid’s social life. But I’ve never felt an obligation to give more because of what other people might be giving. Trust me: most of the parents giving the pricey gifts are doing so not because they’re so fond of the birthday child, but because they are concerned about how others will judge them.

Someone wrote that you cannot give a cheaper gift to someone who has already given your child a more expensive gift. I can’t agree with this. If the child is a close friend, I’m already searching for an above-average cost gift that I really feel (very important) will give the child pleasure, and that will be my criteria – not whether his/her parents spent more on a gift for my kid. Over the years, I’ve witnessed a significant number of parents who give gifts inappropriate to the level of friendship, either because they just can’t help themselves from overspending, or because they are worried about what others will say.

So I think your pricing is appropriate, and if it works for you, stick to it.

Re: #2, I usually brought a gift from each child. But I only took the 2nd child if he/she truly qualified as a playmate or friend.

Re: #3, I agree with those who said that wrapping is essential as the opening of the gift is almost as important as the gift itself. I know that I like it, pretty much everyone I know likes it, and it also provides great photo ops. Buy inexpensive wrapping paper at the dollar store, or have your child find a way to wrap/decorate the package. Then you’ll at least have some of your guilt assuaged by the knowledge that you engaged your kid in a creative activity.

Re: #4, regifting never occurred to me, but I don’t find anything particularly offensive about the idea, so long as you’re careful about it (I don’t think that the gift-giving parents would take it in stride). I think your success is dependent upon your kids: I have some that were aware of every gift they received three years after the party, and others who remembered only one or two by the week’s end. I can empathize with your having to deal with the sheer amount of stuff; being almost-empty nesters, we downsized recently, and what a treat that was! Since it appears that the recession will only be deepening in the foreseeable future, perhaps you can stockpile some of the gifts for holiday toy drives.

[eavesdropper]

flu, I think your gift pricing is totally appropriate. I’ve been a mom for 28 years (my youngest is about to turn 15, if I choose to let her), and have much experience in birthday etiquette. In that timespan, I’ve seen birthday parties go from modest celebrations that the kids – both celebrant and guests – enjoyed thoroughly, to exercises in excess that honestly had nothing to do with the kid’s birthday (aside from the date) and everything to do with the parents’ need to flex their exhibitionist muscle.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t anything I could do about that, but I didn’t let that affect my gifting decisions. The “keeping up with the Joneses” stuff really took off in the mid-80s, and it was not only how big a blowout you could throw, but also the number of guests for whom you could throw it. Ergo, my kids were always getting invited to parties for kids they barely knew. I gave them a choice as to whether they wanted to attend, and worked out a costing model similar to yours.

Quite honestly, I think many of us have lost the concept of what a gift is – something that we want to give someone because we’re grateful for something they did and want to show that gratitude, or because we care for them and want to make them happy. The scenario #3 you list is an easy one because it fits this description, and that’s why the amount is open-ended. Scenario #2 isn’t terribly difficult, either.

However, #1 is tough because you don’t want to tell your child that they can’t attend a birthday party. So, in that situation, the $15 or $20 is the cost of maintaining a part of your kid’s social life. But I’ve never felt an obligation to give more because of what other people might be giving. Trust me: most of the parents giving the pricey gifts are doing so not because they’re so fond of the birthday child, but because they are concerned about how others will judge them.

Someone wrote that you cannot give a cheaper gift to someone who has already given your child a more expensive gift. I can’t agree with this. If the child is a close friend, I’m already searching for an above-average cost gift that I really feel (very important) will give the child pleasure, and that will be my criteria – not whether his/her parents spent more on a gift for my kid. Over the years, I’ve witnessed a significant number of parents who give gifts inappropriate to the level of friendship, either because they just can’t help themselves from overspending, or because they are worried about what others will say.

So I think your pricing is appropriate, and if it works for you, stick to it.

Re: #2, I usually brought a gift from each child. But I only took the 2nd child if he/she truly qualified as a playmate or friend.

Re: #3, I agree with those who said that wrapping is essential as the opening of the gift is almost as important as the gift itself. I know that I like it, pretty much everyone I know likes it, and it also provides great photo ops. Buy inexpensive wrapping paper at the dollar store, or have your child find a way to wrap/decorate the package. Then you’ll at least have some of your guilt assuaged by the knowledge that you engaged your kid in a creative activity.

Re: #4, regifting never occurred to me, but I don’t find anything particularly offensive about the idea, so long as you’re careful about it (I don’t think that the gift-giving parents would take it in stride). I think your success is dependent upon your kids: I have some that were aware of every gift they received three years after the party, and others who remembered only one or two by the week’s end. I can empathize with your having to deal with the sheer amount of stuff; being almost-empty nesters, we downsized recently, and what a treat that was! Since it appears that the recession will only be deepening in the foreseeable future, perhaps you can stockpile some of the gifts for holiday toy drives.

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Tremendous job on the house and on the cabin. Both houses look fantastic. It is noteworthy that you got truly impressive rehabs/upgrades for very reasonable amounts of money. It takes real talent to remodel on a limited budget. I’m addicted to the HGTV show “Bang For Your Buck”, and it totally blows my mind what people spend on their remodels – especially these days. And so often it turns out to be more of a disastrous “remuddle”.

Hope that your family gets a lot of enjoyment out of your new home.

[eavesdropper]

Tremendous job on the house and on the cabin. Both houses look fantastic. It is noteworthy that you got truly impressive rehabs/upgrades for very reasonable amounts of money. It takes real talent to remodel on a limited budget. I’m addicted to the HGTV show “Bang For Your Buck”, and it totally blows my mind what people spend on their remodels – especially these days. And so often it turns out to be more of a disastrous “remuddle”.

Hope that your family gets a lot of enjoyment out of your new home.

[eavesdropper]

Tremendous job on the house and on the cabin. Both houses look fantastic. It is noteworthy that you got truly impressive rehabs/upgrades for very reasonable amounts of money. It takes real talent to remodel on a limited budget. I’m addicted to the HGTV show “Bang For Your Buck”, and it totally blows my mind what people spend on their remodels – especially these days. And so often it turns out to be more of a disastrous “remuddle”.

Hope that your family gets a lot of enjoyment out of your new home.

[eavesdropper]

Tremendous job on the house and on the cabin. Both houses look fantastic. It is noteworthy that you got truly impressive rehabs/upgrades for very reasonable amounts of money. It takes real talent to remodel on a limited budget. I’m addicted to the HGTV show “Bang For Your Buck”, and it totally blows my mind what people spend on their remodels – especially these days. And so often it turns out to be more of a disastrous “remuddle”.

Hope that your family gets a lot of enjoyment out of your new home.

[eavesdropper]

Tremendous job on the house and on the cabin. Both houses look fantastic. It is noteworthy that you got truly impressive rehabs/upgrades for very reasonable amounts of money. It takes real talent to remodel on a limited budget. I’m addicted to the HGTV show “Bang For Your Buck”, and it totally blows my mind what people spend on their remodels – especially these days. And so often it turns out to be more of a disastrous “remuddle”.

Hope that your family gets a lot of enjoyment out of your new home.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=CA renter][quote=eavesdropper]
Nicely done on the sale, eavesdropper. 🙂

Thanks for filling us in on what’s going on in your market. From everything I’m hearing and reading, it sounds like your area is doing exceptionally well. Of course, like here, there are areas that have held up better than others.

The market’s still crazy here, if that’s any kind of forward-indicator for you. We’ll see if this changes over the next year or two.[/quote]

Thanks, CA renter. We were extremely fortunate. Within a less than a year, sale prices of the houses in our development had dropped by $100K (but, damn, I miss the closet space!)

Sale prices in our new development have actually gone up a bit. Not enough to be statistically significant, but, oh, so much better than dropping. But I’m convinced we’ve got a way to go before things bottom out here.

Northern VA seems to be having a much tougher time of it than we on the MD side of DC. But their growth during the aughts was much less controlled than ours, mostly in the exurbs. Individuals buying new construction for $250,000 were seeing their appraisals go up to $325K before building was complete, and “values” were at $500K+ before the wake-up call. I think that they were double-whammied by the high commuting costs in 2008 in addition to changing market conditions.

But even though I believe that our market is far from bottoming out, we do have a certain stability in the employment sector lent by the presence of the Federal government. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I don’t think that makes us recession-proof, but it’s a helluva lot more than most areas have these days.

But I am curious about one thing that’s been discussed in this thread: Denial. Is it as strong in your neck of the woods as it is here (documented for posterity on “Real Estate Intervention”)? Time and time again, I meet people who readily acknowledge the severity of the real estate crisis, but, somehow, feel that their home is different, and that they’ll have no problem charging, and getting, significantly more money for it. Is denial still as prevalent in SoCal as it is here, or are most sellers finally getting the message (before the “message” comes from their mortgage lender)?

[eavesdropper]

[quote=CA renter][quote=eavesdropper]
Nicely done on the sale, eavesdropper. 🙂

Thanks for filling us in on what’s going on in your market. From everything I’m hearing and reading, it sounds like your area is doing exceptionally well. Of course, like here, there are areas that have held up better than others.

The market’s still crazy here, if that’s any kind of forward-indicator for you. We’ll see if this changes over the next year or two.[/quote]

Thanks, CA renter. We were extremely fortunate. Within a less than a year, sale prices of the houses in our development had dropped by $100K (but, damn, I miss the closet space!)

Sale prices in our new development have actually gone up a bit. Not enough to be statistically significant, but, oh, so much better than dropping. But I’m convinced we’ve got a way to go before things bottom out here.

Northern VA seems to be having a much tougher time of it than we on the MD side of DC. But their growth during the aughts was much less controlled than ours, mostly in the exurbs. Individuals buying new construction for $250,000 were seeing their appraisals go up to $325K before building was complete, and “values” were at $500K+ before the wake-up call. I think that they were double-whammied by the high commuting costs in 2008 in addition to changing market conditions.

But even though I believe that our market is far from bottoming out, we do have a certain stability in the employment sector lent by the presence of the Federal government. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I don’t think that makes us recession-proof, but it’s a helluva lot more than most areas have these days.

But I am curious about one thing that’s been discussed in this thread: Denial. Is it as strong in your neck of the woods as it is here (documented for posterity on “Real Estate Intervention”)? Time and time again, I meet people who readily acknowledge the severity of the real estate crisis, but, somehow, feel that their home is different, and that they’ll have no problem charging, and getting, significantly more money for it. Is denial still as prevalent in SoCal as it is here, or are most sellers finally getting the message (before the “message” comes from their mortgage lender)?

[eavesdropper]

[quote=CA renter][quote=eavesdropper]
Nicely done on the sale, eavesdropper. 🙂

Thanks for filling us in on what’s going on in your market. From everything I’m hearing and reading, it sounds like your area is doing exceptionally well. Of course, like here, there are areas that have held up better than others.

The market’s still crazy here, if that’s any kind of forward-indicator for you. We’ll see if this changes over the next year or two.[/quote]

Thanks, CA renter. We were extremely fortunate. Within a less than a year, sale prices of the houses in our development had dropped by $100K (but, damn, I miss the closet space!)

Sale prices in our new development have actually gone up a bit. Not enough to be statistically significant, but, oh, so much better than dropping. But I’m convinced we’ve got a way to go before things bottom out here.

Northern VA seems to be having a much tougher time of it than we on the MD side of DC. But their growth during the aughts was much less controlled than ours, mostly in the exurbs. Individuals buying new construction for $250,000 were seeing their appraisals go up to $325K before building was complete, and “values” were at $500K+ before the wake-up call. I think that they were double-whammied by the high commuting costs in 2008 in addition to changing market conditions.

But even though I believe that our market is far from bottoming out, we do have a certain stability in the employment sector lent by the presence of the Federal government. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I don’t think that makes us recession-proof, but it’s a helluva lot more than most areas have these days.

But I am curious about one thing that’s been discussed in this thread: Denial. Is it as strong in your neck of the woods as it is here (documented for posterity on “Real Estate Intervention”)? Time and time again, I meet people who readily acknowledge the severity of the real estate crisis, but, somehow, feel that their home is different, and that they’ll have no problem charging, and getting, significantly more money for it. Is denial still as prevalent in SoCal as it is here, or are most sellers finally getting the message (before the “message” comes from their mortgage lender)?

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