[danielwis]

[quote=AN][quote=air_ogi]43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.[/quote]
By that math, wouldn’t that mean 82% of Americans want this reform or less liberal? I think 82% > 52%.[/quote]

No because you can’t add those that think we need reform, but its not liberal enough, to those that do not want reform and think its too liberal.

You can add those that favor, and those that think it didn’t go far enough, because both groups support reform. The majority want real reform, and 13 % want even more than what the bill offered.

[danielwis]

[quote=AN][quote=air_ogi]43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.[/quote]
By that math, wouldn’t that mean 82% of Americans want this reform or less liberal? I think 82% > 52%.[/quote]

No because you can’t add those that think we need reform, but its not liberal enough, to those that do not want reform and think its too liberal.

You can add those that favor, and those that think it didn’t go far enough, because both groups support reform. The majority want real reform, and 13 % want even more than what the bill offered.

[danielwis]

[quote=AN][quote=air_ogi]43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.[/quote]
By that math, wouldn’t that mean 82% of Americans want this reform or less liberal? I think 82% > 52%.[/quote]

No because you can’t add those that think we need reform, but its not liberal enough, to those that do not want reform and think its too liberal.

You can add those that favor, and those that think it didn’t go far enough, because both groups support reform. The majority want real reform, and 13 % want even more than what the bill offered.

[danielwis]

[quote=AN][quote=air_ogi]43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.[/quote]
By that math, wouldn’t that mean 82% of Americans want this reform or less liberal? I think 82% > 52%.[/quote]

No because you can’t add those that think we need reform, but its not liberal enough, to those that do not want reform and think its too liberal.

You can add those that favor, and those that think it didn’t go far enough, because both groups support reform. The majority want real reform, and 13 % want even more than what the bill offered.

[danielwis]

[quote=AN][quote=air_ogi]43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.[/quote]
By that math, wouldn’t that mean 82% of Americans want this reform or less liberal? I think 82% > 52%.[/quote]

No because you can’t add those that think we need reform, but its not liberal enough, to those that do not want reform and think its too liberal.

You can add those that favor, and those that think it didn’t go far enough, because both groups support reform. The majority want real reform, and 13 % want even more than what the bill offered.

[danielwis]

I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.

[danielwis]

I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.

[danielwis]

I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.

[danielwis]

I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.

[danielwis]

I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.

[danielwis]

[quote=sdrealtor]No its not safe to say everyone is 15 to 20% off because not all are. No we cant expect them all to walk either. If you put money down you may not be underwater and even if you are 10% to 20% underwater (loan to value) you want to try to get your money back. Thats the way most i have run into think.[/quote]

I agree. But, if the market stalls, and maybe back tracks down a bit, many of these people who were hoping for a quick(ish) turn around may get despondent about the time frame, and join the ranks of those that walked. Its a psychological thing for most people. Many will see a five or even ten year time frame for a turn around as reasonable, and try to hold on. But if people begin to feel that the time horizon might be longer than that, many more will begin to walk. Throw in other factors (location changes, job changes, job loss, divorce), and the number that walk likely remains high for some time.

[danielwis]

[quote=sdrealtor]No its not safe to say everyone is 15 to 20% off because not all are. No we cant expect them all to walk either. If you put money down you may not be underwater and even if you are 10% to 20% underwater (loan to value) you want to try to get your money back. Thats the way most i have run into think.[/quote]

I agree. But, if the market stalls, and maybe back tracks down a bit, many of these people who were hoping for a quick(ish) turn around may get despondent about the time frame, and join the ranks of those that walked. Its a psychological thing for most people. Many will see a five or even ten year time frame for a turn around as reasonable, and try to hold on. But if people begin to feel that the time horizon might be longer than that, many more will begin to walk. Throw in other factors (location changes, job changes, job loss, divorce), and the number that walk likely remains high for some time.

[danielwis]

[quote=sdrealtor]No its not safe to say everyone is 15 to 20% off because not all are. No we cant expect them all to walk either. If you put money down you may not be underwater and even if you are 10% to 20% underwater (loan to value) you want to try to get your money back. Thats the way most i have run into think.[/quote]

I agree. But, if the market stalls, and maybe back tracks down a bit, many of these people who were hoping for a quick(ish) turn around may get despondent about the time frame, and join the ranks of those that walked. Its a psychological thing for most people. Many will see a five or even ten year time frame for a turn around as reasonable, and try to hold on. But if people begin to feel that the time horizon might be longer than that, many more will begin to walk. Throw in other factors (location changes, job changes, job loss, divorce), and the number that walk likely remains high for some time.

[danielwis]

[quote=sdrealtor]No its not safe to say everyone is 15 to 20% off because not all are. No we cant expect them all to walk either. If you put money down you may not be underwater and even if you are 10% to 20% underwater (loan to value) you want to try to get your money back. Thats the way most i have run into think.[/quote]

I agree. But, if the market stalls, and maybe back tracks down a bit, many of these people who were hoping for a quick(ish) turn around may get despondent about the time frame, and join the ranks of those that walked. Its a psychological thing for most people. Many will see a five or even ten year time frame for a turn around as reasonable, and try to hold on. But if people begin to feel that the time horizon might be longer than that, many more will begin to walk. Throw in other factors (location changes, job changes, job loss, divorce), and the number that walk likely remains high for some time.

[danielwis]

[quote=sdrealtor]No its not safe to say everyone is 15 to 20% off because not all are. No we cant expect them all to walk either. If you put money down you may not be underwater and even if you are 10% to 20% underwater (loan to value) you want to try to get your money back. Thats the way most i have run into think.[/quote]

I agree. But, if the market stalls, and maybe back tracks down a bit, many of these people who were hoping for a quick(ish) turn around may get despondent about the time frame, and join the ranks of those that walked. Its a psychological thing for most people. Many will see a five or even ten year time frame for a turn around as reasonable, and try to hold on. But if people begin to feel that the time horizon might be longer than that, many more will begin to walk. Throw in other factors (location changes, job changes, job loss, divorce), and the number that walk likely remains high for some time.

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