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February 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM #347114February 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM #346584Allan from FallbrookParticipant
Bubblesitter: I think there are going to be some excellent opportunities for the sharp investor out there. The problem you have is that any serious effort at due diligence is going to be hampered by what you don’t see, meaning those potentially toxic assets and liabilities that are “off book”.
The WSJ article referenced the fact that Ben Graham lost nearly 60% during the period 1930 – 1933. I’m a big fan of Graham’s, especially Graham’s Theorem for company valuation, and so is Warren Buffett. Buffett built Berkshire-Hathaway up through well placed bets on undervalued or misvalued companies.
I think those same opportunities will exist during this downturn as well. You’ll have to pay very close attention to not only the books, but the accompanying notes to the books, especially in those companies involved with any off book transactions. The other question I would ask is: Corporate bonds or corporate stocks? Is yours to be a buy and hold strategy, or are you looking for one of those type situations where a company is incorrectly valued and represents a steal on the stock side of the equation?
February 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM #346904Allan from FallbrookParticipantBubblesitter: I think there are going to be some excellent opportunities for the sharp investor out there. The problem you have is that any serious effort at due diligence is going to be hampered by what you don’t see, meaning those potentially toxic assets and liabilities that are “off book”.
The WSJ article referenced the fact that Ben Graham lost nearly 60% during the period 1930 – 1933. I’m a big fan of Graham’s, especially Graham’s Theorem for company valuation, and so is Warren Buffett. Buffett built Berkshire-Hathaway up through well placed bets on undervalued or misvalued companies.
I think those same opportunities will exist during this downturn as well. You’ll have to pay very close attention to not only the books, but the accompanying notes to the books, especially in those companies involved with any off book transactions. The other question I would ask is: Corporate bonds or corporate stocks? Is yours to be a buy and hold strategy, or are you looking for one of those type situations where a company is incorrectly valued and represents a steal on the stock side of the equation?
February 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM #347016Allan from FallbrookParticipantBubblesitter: I think there are going to be some excellent opportunities for the sharp investor out there. The problem you have is that any serious effort at due diligence is going to be hampered by what you don’t see, meaning those potentially toxic assets and liabilities that are “off book”.
The WSJ article referenced the fact that Ben Graham lost nearly 60% during the period 1930 – 1933. I’m a big fan of Graham’s, especially Graham’s Theorem for company valuation, and so is Warren Buffett. Buffett built Berkshire-Hathaway up through well placed bets on undervalued or misvalued companies.
I think those same opportunities will exist during this downturn as well. You’ll have to pay very close attention to not only the books, but the accompanying notes to the books, especially in those companies involved with any off book transactions. The other question I would ask is: Corporate bonds or corporate stocks? Is yours to be a buy and hold strategy, or are you looking for one of those type situations where a company is incorrectly valued and represents a steal on the stock side of the equation?
February 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM #347050Allan from FallbrookParticipantBubblesitter: I think there are going to be some excellent opportunities for the sharp investor out there. The problem you have is that any serious effort at due diligence is going to be hampered by what you don’t see, meaning those potentially toxic assets and liabilities that are “off book”.
The WSJ article referenced the fact that Ben Graham lost nearly 60% during the period 1930 – 1933. I’m a big fan of Graham’s, especially Graham’s Theorem for company valuation, and so is Warren Buffett. Buffett built Berkshire-Hathaway up through well placed bets on undervalued or misvalued companies.
I think those same opportunities will exist during this downturn as well. You’ll have to pay very close attention to not only the books, but the accompanying notes to the books, especially in those companies involved with any off book transactions. The other question I would ask is: Corporate bonds or corporate stocks? Is yours to be a buy and hold strategy, or are you looking for one of those type situations where a company is incorrectly valued and represents a steal on the stock side of the equation?
February 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM #347149Allan from FallbrookParticipantBubblesitter: I think there are going to be some excellent opportunities for the sharp investor out there. The problem you have is that any serious effort at due diligence is going to be hampered by what you don’t see, meaning those potentially toxic assets and liabilities that are “off book”.
The WSJ article referenced the fact that Ben Graham lost nearly 60% during the period 1930 – 1933. I’m a big fan of Graham’s, especially Graham’s Theorem for company valuation, and so is Warren Buffett. Buffett built Berkshire-Hathaway up through well placed bets on undervalued or misvalued companies.
I think those same opportunities will exist during this downturn as well. You’ll have to pay very close attention to not only the books, but the accompanying notes to the books, especially in those companies involved with any off book transactions. The other question I would ask is: Corporate bonds or corporate stocks? Is yours to be a buy and hold strategy, or are you looking for one of those type situations where a company is incorrectly valued and represents a steal on the stock side of the equation?
February 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM #347345patbParticipant[quote=patb]those of us with cash would be fine[/quote]
exactly.
Those of us with cash would have done great.
and let the system start crashing, force them all to file
bankruptcy, and push the motherfuckers off a cliff.if you need the processes, let FDIC take them over
February 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM #347665patbParticipant[quote=patb]those of us with cash would be fine[/quote]
exactly.
Those of us with cash would have done great.
and let the system start crashing, force them all to file
bankruptcy, and push the motherfuckers off a cliff.if you need the processes, let FDIC take them over
February 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM #347782patbParticipant[quote=patb]those of us with cash would be fine[/quote]
exactly.
Those of us with cash would have done great.
and let the system start crashing, force them all to file
bankruptcy, and push the motherfuckers off a cliff.if you need the processes, let FDIC take them over
February 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM #347814patbParticipant[quote=patb]those of us with cash would be fine[/quote]
exactly.
Those of us with cash would have done great.
and let the system start crashing, force them all to file
bankruptcy, and push the motherfuckers off a cliff.if you need the processes, let FDIC take them over
February 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM #347914patbParticipant[quote=patb]those of us with cash would be fine[/quote]
exactly.
Those of us with cash would have done great.
and let the system start crashing, force them all to file
bankruptcy, and push the motherfuckers off a cliff.if you need the processes, let FDIC take them over
February 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM #347360barnaby33ParticipantI’ll stick by what I said
It ain’t contained, it ain’t subprime and it ain’t over. Not by a long shot.
Bubblesitter, unless you are prepared to day trade there are NO GOOD investments right now. I say that because everyones books are so cooked you can’t possibly evaluate one potential good company from the turds stinking up the joint. The whole point of staying out of the markets is to wait until the govt stops trying to pick the winners and make the losers into winners at your expense. Once that happens, then you’ll be in an enviable position to buy great companies at steep discounts. We are nowhere near that point.
SRS, you’ve been a big disappointment to me these last 2 months, don’t fail me now!
February 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM #347681barnaby33ParticipantI’ll stick by what I said
It ain’t contained, it ain’t subprime and it ain’t over. Not by a long shot.
Bubblesitter, unless you are prepared to day trade there are NO GOOD investments right now. I say that because everyones books are so cooked you can’t possibly evaluate one potential good company from the turds stinking up the joint. The whole point of staying out of the markets is to wait until the govt stops trying to pick the winners and make the losers into winners at your expense. Once that happens, then you’ll be in an enviable position to buy great companies at steep discounts. We are nowhere near that point.
SRS, you’ve been a big disappointment to me these last 2 months, don’t fail me now!
February 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM #347797barnaby33ParticipantI’ll stick by what I said
It ain’t contained, it ain’t subprime and it ain’t over. Not by a long shot.
Bubblesitter, unless you are prepared to day trade there are NO GOOD investments right now. I say that because everyones books are so cooked you can’t possibly evaluate one potential good company from the turds stinking up the joint. The whole point of staying out of the markets is to wait until the govt stops trying to pick the winners and make the losers into winners at your expense. Once that happens, then you’ll be in an enviable position to buy great companies at steep discounts. We are nowhere near that point.
SRS, you’ve been a big disappointment to me these last 2 months, don’t fail me now!
February 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM #347829barnaby33ParticipantI’ll stick by what I said
It ain’t contained, it ain’t subprime and it ain’t over. Not by a long shot.
Bubblesitter, unless you are prepared to day trade there are NO GOOD investments right now. I say that because everyones books are so cooked you can’t possibly evaluate one potential good company from the turds stinking up the joint. The whole point of staying out of the markets is to wait until the govt stops trying to pick the winners and make the losers into winners at your expense. Once that happens, then you’ll be in an enviable position to buy great companies at steep discounts. We are nowhere near that point.
SRS, you’ve been a big disappointment to me these last 2 months, don’t fail me now!
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