Why I am leaving San Diego

[bearishgurl]

[quote=DWCAP] . . . But new buyers are also some of the dumbest buyers around. Not always, but often. They get a first promotion, get engaged/married, graduate grad school, get pregnant, whatever; and then decide they need to buy a house. So the go out, look around alittle bit and then try to make the best buy they can. But there is no historical or economic relevance to this decision process, and a tremendous amount of emotional baggage. . . [/quote]

Very good posts, DWCAP. The emphasized sentence just points out the difference between views like FSD’s (who once lived in SD and then moved away) or protorio’s (who grew up in SD) and the views of the OP (who is a relative newcomer to the area).

FSD and protorio can see that there are good buys here now based upon their own past experiences with the local RE market. Both have lived here (albeit modestly) and still enjoyed it and have good memories of it.

A “newcomer” often has expectations of what they were “used to living in” in another county/state as opposed to what they feel they “deserve” to live in now, even if it was their parents paying the bills (at the time of their imprinted housing memory) and not them. IMHO, that’s the “baggage” that you’re referring to here. I’ve never had a buyer-client who was a “newcomer,” but I would surmise they are MUCH more difficult to appease than a native or long-time San Diegan. Because they’re not yet in a place where they’re willing to “trade-off” certain “lifestyle preferences OF THE WAY THINGS SHOULD BE” implanted deep in their brains in order to consummate a successful purchase that they can afford and would be happy with in the long term. As an agent, you could drive them thru or meet them in Talmadge Park, for instance (actually an upscale and convenient location), or nearby El Cerrito and you may hear “Meh…” from them. “Too 50’s, grandma’s house, doesn’t `feel’ right,” blah, blah, blah. Of course, this is a buyers perogative.

As an agent, you could drive a “newcomer” buyer through a major thoroughfare near dtn Chula Vista, and because they only see T-lock (shingle) roofs instead of tile . . . again, “Meh.” They don’t EVEN WANT to see the inside of anything, even though there are several large homes on large lots perfect for their needs in the area. A lifetime Chula Vistan looking for property would be scoping out all available properties, regardless of condition, within two blocks of various relatives’ houses. Both the “newcomer” and the “native” are the same age (30-35).

I came to SD as a young person, but it was so long ago that SD was actually cheaper to live in at the time, in every respect, then where I moved from. And I have been here ever since, so don’t have any pie-in-the-sky aspirations in this regard. In addition, I myself am a product of public schools.

As I stated before, it is generational thing, too. If I had to sell and repurchase again now (assuming I could qualify for financing), I know exactly what and where I would buy and would waste no time placing offers in attempt to make a deal while the getting was good. I have a secondary area in mind if the first area doesn’t pan out for me. I just have never considered all the stuff that a lot of Piggs seem to have “analysis paralysis” over, such as rent multipliers (for an owner-occupied SFR), local unemployment rate, fiscal health of city/county, API scores, etc. And yeah, I have kids . . . all went to public school and all are fine . . . excelling, actually.

Maybe its a stupid notion now but I was always taught that RE is the best investment because it is tangible and you can control it yourself (as opposed to passive investments). As a buyer, the only things that I’ve ever considered were physical and environmental attributes (i.e. zoning, soil subsidence, traffic frontage or noise, lot size and elevation, sound structure, not fire-prone or on flood-plain, etc). And, of course, the recent surrounding sold comps.

Put to the test, I would venture I could make a acceptable deal on a resale SFR in San Diego County and close with four months of taking the challenge, “banks-taking-it-in-the-shorts” be damned!

I’m not worried at all about “losing equity” in the coming years.

Buying a house for yourself to live in is just not that hard to do, in ANY market (south of 10% mortgage rates).

[briansd1]

[quote=bearishgurl] As an agent, you could drive them thru or meet them in Talmadge Park, for instance (actually an upscale and convenient location), or nearby El Cerrito and you may hear “Meh…” from them. “Too 50’s, grandma’s house, doesn’t `feel’ right,” blah, blah, blah. Of course, this is a buyers perogative.
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That’s me. When I see an old house, all I want to do is tear out all the “improvements” the owners have made over the years. I don’t care if the cabinets are solid oak if they are dirty and ugly.

I like old style and old architecture. I just don’t like people’s old junk.

From experience, I can see past the “improvement” and I can picture what a house should be. But I want a discount to undo what people have done.

[quote=bearishgurl]
Maybe its a stupid notion now but I was always taught that RE is the best investment because it is tangible and you can control it yourself (as opposed to passive investments).

[/quote]

I agree. But never overpay. Finding the right properties takes time and patience.

[briansd1]

[quote=bearishgurl] As an agent, you could drive them thru or meet them in Talmadge Park, for instance (actually an upscale and convenient location), or nearby El Cerrito and you may hear “Meh…” from them. “Too 50’s, grandma’s house, doesn’t `feel’ right,” blah, blah, blah. Of course, this is a buyers perogative.
[/quote]

That’s me. When I see an old house, all I want to do is tear out all the “improvements” the owners have made over the years. I don’t care if the cabinets are solid oak if they are dirty and ugly.

I like old style and old architecture. I just don’t like people’s old junk.

From experience, I can see past the “improvement” and I can picture what a house should be. But I want a discount to undo what people have done.

[quote=bearishgurl]
Maybe its a stupid notion now but I was always taught that RE is the best investment because it is tangible and you can control it yourself (as opposed to passive investments).

[/quote]

I agree. But never overpay. Finding the right properties takes time and patience.

[briansd1]

[quote=bearishgurl] As an agent, you could drive them thru or meet them in Talmadge Park, for instance (actually an upscale and convenient location), or nearby El Cerrito and you may hear “Meh…” from them. “Too 50’s, grandma’s house, doesn’t `feel’ right,” blah, blah, blah. Of course, this is a buyers perogative.
[/quote]

That’s me. When I see an old house, all I want to do is tear out all the “improvements” the owners have made over the years. I don’t care if the cabinets are solid oak if they are dirty and ugly.

I like old style and old architecture. I just don’t like people’s old junk.

From experience, I can see past the “improvement” and I can picture what a house should be. But I want a discount to undo what people have done.

[quote=bearishgurl]
Maybe its a stupid notion now but I was always taught that RE is the best investment because it is tangible and you can control it yourself (as opposed to passive investments).

[/quote]

I agree. But never overpay. Finding the right properties takes time and patience.

[briansd1]

[quote=bearishgurl] As an agent, you could drive them thru or meet them in Talmadge Park, for instance (actually an upscale and convenient location), or nearby El Cerrito and you may hear “Meh…” from them. “Too 50’s, grandma’s house, doesn’t `feel’ right,” blah, blah, blah. Of course, this is a buyers perogative.
[/quote]

That’s me. When I see an old house, all I want to do is tear out all the “improvements” the owners have made over the years. I don’t care if the cabinets are solid oak if they are dirty and ugly.

I like old style and old architecture. I just don’t like people’s old junk.

From experience, I can see past the “improvement” and I can picture what a house should be. But I want a discount to undo what people have done.

[quote=bearishgurl]
Maybe its a stupid notion now but I was always taught that RE is the best investment because it is tangible and you can control it yourself (as opposed to passive investments).

[/quote]

I agree. But never overpay. Finding the right properties takes time and patience.

[briansd1]

[quote=bearishgurl] As an agent, you could drive them thru or meet them in Talmadge Park, for instance (actually an upscale and convenient location), or nearby El Cerrito and you may hear “Meh…” from them. “Too 50’s, grandma’s house, doesn’t `feel’ right,” blah, blah, blah. Of course, this is a buyers perogative.
[/quote]

That’s me. When I see an old house, all I want to do is tear out all the “improvements” the owners have made over the years. I don’t care if the cabinets are solid oak if they are dirty and ugly.

I like old style and old architecture. I just don’t like people’s old junk.

From experience, I can see past the “improvement” and I can picture what a house should be. But I want a discount to undo what people have done.

[quote=bearishgurl]
Maybe its a stupid notion now but I was always taught that RE is the best investment because it is tangible and you can control it yourself (as opposed to passive investments).

[/quote]

I agree. But never overpay. Finding the right properties takes time and patience.

[jstoesz]

Back to it…

I appreciated all of your comments and in many ways you all are very right. DWCAP you pretty much nailed it with everything you said. Bearishgurl, your suggestion that I have imprinted expectations is spot on. I do, but is that wrong or a sign of SD being overpriced? I also understand you alls offense to my rantings of the irresponsibility of Californians. I have been harsh and maybe unduly.

To that sentiment, let me clarify. I am upset with the aggregate. I am sure many of you are very responsible. I have many responsible character filled friends here. My wife grew up in Irvine. There are wonderful people in S. California, but there seems to be more dumb ones than elsewhere.

As I said before…I am upset with the fact that things not not what they should be. I do not think they should be equal to MN prices. But a rent vs buy calculation should not be so lopsided for a starter. These are “shoulds,” or signs of a strong safe market. Do I think they will actually happen? Its very very very unlikely. So I am not trying predicting the future. I am only giving rationale for why I have wanted to leave.

I compare SD to Minneapolis, because they are the two cities I am most familiar with. Are they going to agree, no, and that is fine. There is just so many signs of the an-affordability of SD, and I wanted to rant and rave about it. Thank you all for participating.

sdr your comment about ‘it is what it is’ is completely true. I can not change the market through my frustration. I can only leave, and hopefully move my wife’s family out too 🙂

But we will be back (if my wife has anything to do with it), and I hope it is different when we do.

[jstoesz]

Back to it…

I appreciated all of your comments and in many ways you all are very right. DWCAP you pretty much nailed it with everything you said. Bearishgurl, your suggestion that I have imprinted expectations is spot on. I do, but is that wrong or a sign of SD being overpriced? I also understand you alls offense to my rantings of the irresponsibility of Californians. I have been harsh and maybe unduly.

To that sentiment, let me clarify. I am upset with the aggregate. I am sure many of you are very responsible. I have many responsible character filled friends here. My wife grew up in Irvine. There are wonderful people in S. California, but there seems to be more dumb ones than elsewhere.

As I said before…I am upset with the fact that things not not what they should be. I do not think they should be equal to MN prices. But a rent vs buy calculation should not be so lopsided for a starter. These are “shoulds,” or signs of a strong safe market. Do I think they will actually happen? Its very very very unlikely. So I am not trying predicting the future. I am only giving rationale for why I have wanted to leave.

I compare SD to Minneapolis, because they are the two cities I am most familiar with. Are they going to agree, no, and that is fine. There is just so many signs of the an-affordability of SD, and I wanted to rant and rave about it. Thank you all for participating.

sdr your comment about ‘it is what it is’ is completely true. I can not change the market through my frustration. I can only leave, and hopefully move my wife’s family out too 🙂

But we will be back (if my wife has anything to do with it), and I hope it is different when we do.

[jstoesz]

Back to it…

I appreciated all of your comments and in many ways you all are very right. DWCAP you pretty much nailed it with everything you said. Bearishgurl, your suggestion that I have imprinted expectations is spot on. I do, but is that wrong or a sign of SD being overpriced? I also understand you alls offense to my rantings of the irresponsibility of Californians. I have been harsh and maybe unduly.

To that sentiment, let me clarify. I am upset with the aggregate. I am sure many of you are very responsible. I have many responsible character filled friends here. My wife grew up in Irvine. There are wonderful people in S. California, but there seems to be more dumb ones than elsewhere.

As I said before…I am upset with the fact that things not not what they should be. I do not think they should be equal to MN prices. But a rent vs buy calculation should not be so lopsided for a starter. These are “shoulds,” or signs of a strong safe market. Do I think they will actually happen? Its very very very unlikely. So I am not trying predicting the future. I am only giving rationale for why I have wanted to leave.

I compare SD to Minneapolis, because they are the two cities I am most familiar with. Are they going to agree, no, and that is fine. There is just so many signs of the an-affordability of SD, and I wanted to rant and rave about it. Thank you all for participating.

sdr your comment about ‘it is what it is’ is completely true. I can not change the market through my frustration. I can only leave, and hopefully move my wife’s family out too 🙂

But we will be back (if my wife has anything to do with it), and I hope it is different when we do.

[jstoesz]

Back to it…

I appreciated all of your comments and in many ways you all are very right. DWCAP you pretty much nailed it with everything you said. Bearishgurl, your suggestion that I have imprinted expectations is spot on. I do, but is that wrong or a sign of SD being overpriced? I also understand you alls offense to my rantings of the irresponsibility of Californians. I have been harsh and maybe unduly.

To that sentiment, let me clarify. I am upset with the aggregate. I am sure many of you are very responsible. I have many responsible character filled friends here. My wife grew up in Irvine. There are wonderful people in S. California, but there seems to be more dumb ones than elsewhere.

As I said before…I am upset with the fact that things not not what they should be. I do not think they should be equal to MN prices. But a rent vs buy calculation should not be so lopsided for a starter. These are “shoulds,” or signs of a strong safe market. Do I think they will actually happen? Its very very very unlikely. So I am not trying predicting the future. I am only giving rationale for why I have wanted to leave.

I compare SD to Minneapolis, because they are the two cities I am most familiar with. Are they going to agree, no, and that is fine. There is just so many signs of the an-affordability of SD, and I wanted to rant and rave about it. Thank you all for participating.

sdr your comment about ‘it is what it is’ is completely true. I can not change the market through my frustration. I can only leave, and hopefully move my wife’s family out too 🙂

But we will be back (if my wife has anything to do with it), and I hope it is different when we do.

[jstoesz]

Back to it…

I appreciated all of your comments and in many ways you all are very right. DWCAP you pretty much nailed it with everything you said. Bearishgurl, your suggestion that I have imprinted expectations is spot on. I do, but is that wrong or a sign of SD being overpriced? I also understand you alls offense to my rantings of the irresponsibility of Californians. I have been harsh and maybe unduly.

To that sentiment, let me clarify. I am upset with the aggregate. I am sure many of you are very responsible. I have many responsible character filled friends here. My wife grew up in Irvine. There are wonderful people in S. California, but there seems to be more dumb ones than elsewhere.

As I said before…I am upset with the fact that things not not what they should be. I do not think they should be equal to MN prices. But a rent vs buy calculation should not be so lopsided for a starter. These are “shoulds,” or signs of a strong safe market. Do I think they will actually happen? Its very very very unlikely. So I am not trying predicting the future. I am only giving rationale for why I have wanted to leave.

I compare SD to Minneapolis, because they are the two cities I am most familiar with. Are they going to agree, no, and that is fine. There is just so many signs of the an-affordability of SD, and I wanted to rant and rave about it. Thank you all for participating.

sdr your comment about ‘it is what it is’ is completely true. I can not change the market through my frustration. I can only leave, and hopefully move my wife’s family out too 🙂

But we will be back (if my wife has anything to do with it), and I hope it is different when we do.

[CA renter]

One comment about the “irresponsible Californians”…

From what I’ve seen, it’s not the native Californians who are so irresponsible. Most of us look at today’s prices and think people are crazy for paying them. We’ve been around California RE long enough to know that we have one of the most volatile markets around, and people can *lose their a$$es* in CA RE, and often do — they’ve been winning and losing for a very, very long time.

The people I see overpaying for housing are almost always newcomers who, even though they might be from the midwest (or wherever), are the ones who want to emulate the “California lifestyle” they see on TV and in the movies. They have funny notions about “paradise” and think that California is filled with “beautiful people” and the newcomers are the ones who are attracted by the “bling” of California.

Most natives are actually very low-key and, dare I say…normal. We’re not usually the ones driving around in showy cars and overbidding on properties because of some fairytale about housing prices “always going up” in California. We know better than that.

The obnoxious “Californians” are usually not Californians at all. They are almost always from somewhere else.

[CA renter]

One comment about the “irresponsible Californians”…

From what I’ve seen, it’s not the native Californians who are so irresponsible. Most of us look at today’s prices and think people are crazy for paying them. We’ve been around California RE long enough to know that we have one of the most volatile markets around, and people can *lose their a$$es* in CA RE, and often do — they’ve been winning and losing for a very, very long time.

The people I see overpaying for housing are almost always newcomers who, even though they might be from the midwest (or wherever), are the ones who want to emulate the “California lifestyle” they see on TV and in the movies. They have funny notions about “paradise” and think that California is filled with “beautiful people” and the newcomers are the ones who are attracted by the “bling” of California.

Most natives are actually very low-key and, dare I say…normal. We’re not usually the ones driving around in showy cars and overbidding on properties because of some fairytale about housing prices “always going up” in California. We know better than that.

The obnoxious “Californians” are usually not Californians at all. They are almost always from somewhere else.

[CA renter]

One comment about the “irresponsible Californians”…

From what I’ve seen, it’s not the native Californians who are so irresponsible. Most of us look at today’s prices and think people are crazy for paying them. We’ve been around California RE long enough to know that we have one of the most volatile markets around, and people can *lose their a$$es* in CA RE, and often do — they’ve been winning and losing for a very, very long time.

The people I see overpaying for housing are almost always newcomers who, even though they might be from the midwest (or wherever), are the ones who want to emulate the “California lifestyle” they see on TV and in the movies. They have funny notions about “paradise” and think that California is filled with “beautiful people” and the newcomers are the ones who are attracted by the “bling” of California.

Most natives are actually very low-key and, dare I say…normal. We’re not usually the ones driving around in showy cars and overbidding on properties because of some fairytale about housing prices “always going up” in California. We know better than that.

The obnoxious “Californians” are usually not Californians at all. They are almost always from somewhere else.

[CA renter]

One comment about the “irresponsible Californians”…

From what I’ve seen, it’s not the native Californians who are so irresponsible. Most of us look at today’s prices and think people are crazy for paying them. We’ve been around California RE long enough to know that we have one of the most volatile markets around, and people can *lose their a$$es* in CA RE, and often do — they’ve been winning and losing for a very, very long time.

The people I see overpaying for housing are almost always newcomers who, even though they might be from the midwest (or wherever), are the ones who want to emulate the “California lifestyle” they see on TV and in the movies. They have funny notions about “paradise” and think that California is filled with “beautiful people” and the newcomers are the ones who are attracted by the “bling” of California.

Most natives are actually very low-key and, dare I say…normal. We’re not usually the ones driving around in showy cars and overbidding on properties because of some fairytale about housing prices “always going up” in California. We know better than that.

The obnoxious “Californians” are usually not Californians at all. They are almost always from somewhere else.

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