Which stocks to short?

[NicMM]

Chris,

Thanks for your information. I was not very updated. The 3-day rule really explains the big swings we saw recently.

[cooperthedog]

[quote=Chris Scoreboard Johnston]Index futures is the only way, the new rules only allow 3 days plus the day of entry before your brokerage firm will liquidate your position with or without your blessing in short side equity trades. S&P futures do not have that restriction. As a result you have to be dead on right timing wise to short individual stocks. This is one of the results of this wonderful government intervention. This takes liquidity out of the market and makes swings like we just saw in the last 45 minutes today more likely to happen. I am not sure if this applies to the SPY which is the stock proxy of the S&P futures. I do not trade that due to it being alot less liquid than the futures. If it does not and you prefer stocks to futures that might be the way to go or the Q’s if you want to short the Naz.[/quote]

Chris,

Index futures are NOT the only way.

SPY is not a proxy for SP futures, it is a proxy for the SP500 index. It is an investment trust that acutally holds each of the 500 stocks, with the same weighting of the SP500 index. It has a correlation > .99

SPY is not “alot less liquid” then spooz. They generally trade over 1 million shares per *minute*. The bid/ask is generally .01. At current prices, thats ~100 million dollars per minute (unleveraged vs. futures). So unless you’re a rather large institution, liquidity shouldn’t be an issue.

If you want a stock proxy for SP futures, use SDS or SSO, (short and long respectively). These ETF’s actually hold SP futures and swaps. They are “stocks” that are derivatives of a derivative (futures). These are levered 2x, fairly liquid, though nowhere near SPY, and highly correlate to the SP500 index intraday and so-so over weeks/months.

I would agree that shorting indexes is the way to go, but more so due to the risks that were always inherent shorting individual issues.

Using options to synthetically short individual stocks is another option, though the high volatility, and spreads make it less appealing…

As for the new 3 day rule, that should only apply to naked shorts. So as long as your broker can locate a borrow before you short, you are not subject to this rule, nor liquidation.

[cooperthedog]

[quote=Chris Scoreboard Johnston]Index futures is the only way, the new rules only allow 3 days plus the day of entry before your brokerage firm will liquidate your position with or without your blessing in short side equity trades. S&P futures do not have that restriction. As a result you have to be dead on right timing wise to short individual stocks. This is one of the results of this wonderful government intervention. This takes liquidity out of the market and makes swings like we just saw in the last 45 minutes today more likely to happen. I am not sure if this applies to the SPY which is the stock proxy of the S&P futures. I do not trade that due to it being alot less liquid than the futures. If it does not and you prefer stocks to futures that might be the way to go or the Q’s if you want to short the Naz.[/quote]

Chris,

Index futures are NOT the only way.

SPY is not a proxy for SP futures, it is a proxy for the SP500 index. It is an investment trust that acutally holds each of the 500 stocks, with the same weighting of the SP500 index. It has a correlation > .99

SPY is not “alot less liquid” then spooz. They generally trade over 1 million shares per *minute*. The bid/ask is generally .01. At current prices, thats ~100 million dollars per minute (unleveraged vs. futures). So unless you’re a rather large institution, liquidity shouldn’t be an issue.

If you want a stock proxy for SP futures, use SDS or SSO, (short and long respectively). These ETF’s actually hold SP futures and swaps. They are “stocks” that are derivatives of a derivative (futures). These are levered 2x, fairly liquid, though nowhere near SPY, and highly correlate to the SP500 index intraday and so-so over weeks/months.

I would agree that shorting indexes is the way to go, but more so due to the risks that were always inherent shorting individual issues.

Using options to synthetically short individual stocks is another option, though the high volatility, and spreads make it less appealing…

As for the new 3 day rule, that should only apply to naked shorts. So as long as your broker can locate a borrow before you short, you are not subject to this rule, nor liquidation.

[cooperthedog]

[quote=Chris Scoreboard Johnston]Index futures is the only way, the new rules only allow 3 days plus the day of entry before your brokerage firm will liquidate your position with or without your blessing in short side equity trades. S&P futures do not have that restriction. As a result you have to be dead on right timing wise to short individual stocks. This is one of the results of this wonderful government intervention. This takes liquidity out of the market and makes swings like we just saw in the last 45 minutes today more likely to happen. I am not sure if this applies to the SPY which is the stock proxy of the S&P futures. I do not trade that due to it being alot less liquid than the futures. If it does not and you prefer stocks to futures that might be the way to go or the Q’s if you want to short the Naz.[/quote]

Chris,

Index futures are NOT the only way.

SPY is not a proxy for SP futures, it is a proxy for the SP500 index. It is an investment trust that acutally holds each of the 500 stocks, with the same weighting of the SP500 index. It has a correlation > .99

SPY is not “alot less liquid” then spooz. They generally trade over 1 million shares per *minute*. The bid/ask is generally .01. At current prices, thats ~100 million dollars per minute (unleveraged vs. futures). So unless you’re a rather large institution, liquidity shouldn’t be an issue.

If you want a stock proxy for SP futures, use SDS or SSO, (short and long respectively). These ETF’s actually hold SP futures and swaps. They are “stocks” that are derivatives of a derivative (futures). These are levered 2x, fairly liquid, though nowhere near SPY, and highly correlate to the SP500 index intraday and so-so over weeks/months.

I would agree that shorting indexes is the way to go, but more so due to the risks that were always inherent shorting individual issues.

Using options to synthetically short individual stocks is another option, though the high volatility, and spreads make it less appealing…

As for the new 3 day rule, that should only apply to naked shorts. So as long as your broker can locate a borrow before you short, you are not subject to this rule, nor liquidation.

[cooperthedog]

[quote=Chris Scoreboard Johnston]Index futures is the only way, the new rules only allow 3 days plus the day of entry before your brokerage firm will liquidate your position with or without your blessing in short side equity trades. S&P futures do not have that restriction. As a result you have to be dead on right timing wise to short individual stocks. This is one of the results of this wonderful government intervention. This takes liquidity out of the market and makes swings like we just saw in the last 45 minutes today more likely to happen. I am not sure if this applies to the SPY which is the stock proxy of the S&P futures. I do not trade that due to it being alot less liquid than the futures. If it does not and you prefer stocks to futures that might be the way to go or the Q’s if you want to short the Naz.[/quote]

Chris,

Index futures are NOT the only way.

SPY is not a proxy for SP futures, it is a proxy for the SP500 index. It is an investment trust that acutally holds each of the 500 stocks, with the same weighting of the SP500 index. It has a correlation > .99

SPY is not “alot less liquid” then spooz. They generally trade over 1 million shares per *minute*. The bid/ask is generally .01. At current prices, thats ~100 million dollars per minute (unleveraged vs. futures). So unless you’re a rather large institution, liquidity shouldn’t be an issue.

If you want a stock proxy for SP futures, use SDS or SSO, (short and long respectively). These ETF’s actually hold SP futures and swaps. They are “stocks” that are derivatives of a derivative (futures). These are levered 2x, fairly liquid, though nowhere near SPY, and highly correlate to the SP500 index intraday and so-so over weeks/months.

I would agree that shorting indexes is the way to go, but more so due to the risks that were always inherent shorting individual issues.

Using options to synthetically short individual stocks is another option, though the high volatility, and spreads make it less appealing…

As for the new 3 day rule, that should only apply to naked shorts. So as long as your broker can locate a borrow before you short, you are not subject to this rule, nor liquidation.

[cooperthedog]

[quote=Chris Scoreboard Johnston]Index futures is the only way, the new rules only allow 3 days plus the day of entry before your brokerage firm will liquidate your position with or without your blessing in short side equity trades. S&P futures do not have that restriction. As a result you have to be dead on right timing wise to short individual stocks. This is one of the results of this wonderful government intervention. This takes liquidity out of the market and makes swings like we just saw in the last 45 minutes today more likely to happen. I am not sure if this applies to the SPY which is the stock proxy of the S&P futures. I do not trade that due to it being alot less liquid than the futures. If it does not and you prefer stocks to futures that might be the way to go or the Q’s if you want to short the Naz.[/quote]

Chris,

Index futures are NOT the only way.

SPY is not a proxy for SP futures, it is a proxy for the SP500 index. It is an investment trust that acutally holds each of the 500 stocks, with the same weighting of the SP500 index. It has a correlation > .99

SPY is not “alot less liquid” then spooz. They generally trade over 1 million shares per *minute*. The bid/ask is generally .01. At current prices, thats ~100 million dollars per minute (unleveraged vs. futures). So unless you’re a rather large institution, liquidity shouldn’t be an issue.

If you want a stock proxy for SP futures, use SDS or SSO, (short and long respectively). These ETF’s actually hold SP futures and swaps. They are “stocks” that are derivatives of a derivative (futures). These are levered 2x, fairly liquid, though nowhere near SPY, and highly correlate to the SP500 index intraday and so-so over weeks/months.

I would agree that shorting indexes is the way to go, but more so due to the risks that were always inherent shorting individual issues.

Using options to synthetically short individual stocks is another option, though the high volatility, and spreads make it less appealing…

As for the new 3 day rule, that should only apply to naked shorts. So as long as your broker can locate a borrow before you short, you are not subject to this rule, nor liquidation.

[barnaby33]

Why not just buy put options? If you are considering moving to shorting, they get the job done just as well. As several people have mentioned there is huge volatility in the marketplace right now. You don’t even have to be right on direction, you could just buy a volatility play. Its called a straddle.
Josh

[barnaby33]

Why not just buy put options? If you are considering moving to shorting, they get the job done just as well. As several people have mentioned there is huge volatility in the marketplace right now. You don’t even have to be right on direction, you could just buy a volatility play. Its called a straddle.
Josh

[barnaby33]

Why not just buy put options? If you are considering moving to shorting, they get the job done just as well. As several people have mentioned there is huge volatility in the marketplace right now. You don’t even have to be right on direction, you could just buy a volatility play. Its called a straddle.
Josh

[barnaby33]

Why not just buy put options? If you are considering moving to shorting, they get the job done just as well. As several people have mentioned there is huge volatility in the marketplace right now. You don’t even have to be right on direction, you could just buy a volatility play. Its called a straddle.
Josh

[barnaby33]

Why not just buy put options? If you are considering moving to shorting, they get the job done just as well. As several people have mentioned there is huge volatility in the marketplace right now. You don’t even have to be right on direction, you could just buy a volatility play. Its called a straddle.
Josh

[kewp]

Check out my portfolio @MarketGuru.com for ideas.

http://www.marketguru.com/V4Vendetta

I basically day-trade the leveraged short ETF’s (when I have the time). Most of my gains this year have been buying SKF (ultrashort financials) on the dips and flipping it.

There are also 3X leveraged short funds now:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=BGZ

*But*, keep in mind the biggest rallies are in bear markets. I’m going to try staying in cash and shorting after the rallies run out of steam.

[kewp]

Check out my portfolio @MarketGuru.com for ideas.

http://www.marketguru.com/V4Vendetta

I basically day-trade the leveraged short ETF’s (when I have the time). Most of my gains this year have been buying SKF (ultrashort financials) on the dips and flipping it.

There are also 3X leveraged short funds now:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=BGZ

*But*, keep in mind the biggest rallies are in bear markets. I’m going to try staying in cash and shorting after the rallies run out of steam.

[kewp]

Check out my portfolio @MarketGuru.com for ideas.

http://www.marketguru.com/V4Vendetta

I basically day-trade the leveraged short ETF’s (when I have the time). Most of my gains this year have been buying SKF (ultrashort financials) on the dips and flipping it.

There are also 3X leveraged short funds now:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=BGZ

*But*, keep in mind the biggest rallies are in bear markets. I’m going to try staying in cash and shorting after the rallies run out of steam.

[kewp]

Check out my portfolio @MarketGuru.com for ideas.

http://www.marketguru.com/V4Vendetta

I basically day-trade the leveraged short ETF’s (when I have the time). Most of my gains this year have been buying SKF (ultrashort financials) on the dips and flipping it.

There are also 3X leveraged short funds now:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=BGZ

*But*, keep in mind the biggest rallies are in bear markets. I’m going to try staying in cash and shorting after the rallies run out of steam.

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