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September 17, 2015 at 4:25 PM #789422September 17, 2015 at 11:54 PM #789430
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GuestAs it relates to Trump’s base, the issue of mmigration is more culture war. Let’s face it, people in red states are much less affected by immigration since immigrants prefer the coastal blue states.
Of course, the big cities are gaining proportionally more economic power (Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Wall Street, etc), so there is anxiety in the lesser cities, among non college educated folks, that their future is slipping away.
In San Diego, we are so used to immigrants of all kinds that, by and large, it’ sa non issue.
September 22, 2015 at 11:14 PM #789536La Jolla Renter
ParticipantRaise the bar to legally come to the US and I think you raise the bar in the countries illegals are coming from.
Our lie, cheat, and steal your way into America policy gives us a lot of bad apples.
Vs work hard, finish school and learn English, and follow some rules to get into this country.
And since we are giving most of these countries billions of dollars, how about we require their county’s database of felons, so we can limit the amount getting in the US.
September 23, 2015 at 1:33 PM #789549Guest[quote=La Jolla Renter]
And since we are giving most of these countries billions of dollars, how about we require their county’s database of felons, so we can limit the amount getting in the US.[/quote]Maybe we shouldn’t spend countless billions on American military contractors and should instead direct the money to family planning, education and strengthening social support networks.
Like the Pope said, it’s global problem that requires new thinking. But, for now, when people flee atrocious conditions, we have the responsibility to welcome them.
September 23, 2015 at 9:36 PM #789559njtosd
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]It’s sexist to say that Hilary is not likable.
I like her just fine as a politician.[/quote]Sorry, some women (and some men) are unlikable. It’s not sexist to say so. You have more sense than that, don’t you?
September 24, 2015 at 7:13 AM #789575no_such_reality
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=FlyerInHi]It’s sexist to say that Hilary is not likable.
I like her just fine as a politician.[/quote]Sorry, some women (and some men) are unlikable. It’s not sexist to say so. You have more sense than that, don’t you?[/quote]
I don’t like Trump, I suspect many find him unlike able. He’s brash, a blowhard, and overly simplifies.
I don’t like Carly either. To me she epitomizes everything that is wrong with corporate execs.
based on their political personas, imho, Clinton is the most likeable. Okay maybe Trump is, but he’s like that cool girl or guy you dated in college, then you realize they’re not just fun and edgy, they’re actually crazy and trouble.
September 24, 2015 at 8:43 AM #789580spdrun
ParticipantKasich vs Sanders, please. Clinton is just another Wall Street tout, bought and paid for. Hope she has to withdraw for health reasons.
September 24, 2015 at 10:22 AM #789584poorgradstudent
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=FlyerInHi]It’s sexist to say that Hilary is not likable.
I like her just fine as a politician.[/quote]Sorry, some women (and some men) are unlikable. It’s not sexist to say so. You have more sense than that, don’t you?[/quote]
I think it’s fair to say that Hillary lacks charisma and the ability to come across as warm and to connect with voters. John Kerry was similar. GW Bush is more likable than his brother Jeb!. Barbara Boxer and Elizabeth Warren both are more likable than Hillary.
September 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM #789588Guest[quote=poorgradstudent]
I think it’s fair to say that Hillary lacks charisma and the ability to come across as warm and to connect with voters. John Kerry was similar. GW Bush is more likable than his brother Jeb!. Barbara Boxer and Elizabeth Warren both are more likable than Hillary.[/quote]
Yes, it’s fair. But remember that Barbara Boxer and Elizabath Warren elicit visceral hatred from the right. And they are not presidential material.
About Hillary, I believe that, as the first viable female presidential candidate, it’s fair to say that she’s being judged based on established notions of gender roles. She’s shrewd and careerist just like her male counterparts.
Plus with the whole Lewinski affair, Hillary was very unemotional. People would prefer if she threw a jealousy tantrum.
Like Queen Elizabeth not really caring that Diana died. Popular opinion didn’t like that so even the Queen had to give in.
Personally, I’m OK with women in high-power position being just like men. I don’t need them to show motherly/womanly empathy.
September 24, 2015 at 1:55 PM #789590Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=poorgradstudent]
I think it’s fair to say that Hillary lacks charisma and the ability to come across as warm and to connect with voters. John Kerry was similar. GW Bush is more likable than his brother Jeb!. Barbara Boxer and Elizabeth Warren both are more likable than Hillary.[/quote]
Yes, it’s fair. But remember that Barbara Boxer and Elizabath Warren elicit visceral hatred from the right. And they are not presidential material.
About Hillary, I believe that, as the first viable female presidential candidate, it’s fair to say that she’s being judged based on established notions of gender roles. She’s shrewd and careerist just like her male counterparts.
Plus with the whole Lewinski affair, Hillary was very unemotional. People would prefer if she threw a jealousy tantrum.
Like Queen Elizabeth not really caring that Diana died. Popular opinion didn’t like that so even the Queen had to give in.
Personally, I’m OK with women in high-power position being just like men. I don’t need them to show motherly/womanly empathy.[/quote]
So Hillary doesn’t elicit visceral hatred from the right? Really? I can clearly recall in 2008 a certain degree of Republican thought that at least Obama wasn’t Hillary.
I strongly disagree with you on Warren. She shares some of the same policy challenges Bernie does in the general election, but Warren is more Presidential than Huckabee or Santorum.
People want their Presidents to seem warm, like someone they could have a beer with. Hillary does face certain challenges as a woman, but a lot of those are specific Hillary issues a man would face too. Voters want a candidate who can “feel your pain”. Ted Cruz faces some of the same issues, he often feels like a Robot.
The genius of GW Bush was his ability to come across as a affable, regular old guy, despite being the son of a former President from a very, very, very rich family. And Bill Clinton just oozes charisma. The last truly unlikable President (personality, not politics) was probably Nixon.
September 24, 2015 at 1:58 PM #789591ParticipantHow about this? Maybe all Presidents, regardless of gender, should be required to show some level of empathy.
September 24, 2015 at 2:19 PM #789592zk
Participant[quote=poorgradstudent]
So Hillary doesn’t elicit visceral hatred from the right? Really? [/quote]I clearly remember lots of visceral hatred from the right towards Hillary. I remember wondering where it came from.
I think I figured out where it came from. The same place where the visceral hatred that the right wing has for so many people came from: The right-wing noise machine is constantly filling the brains of the gullible with whatever it takes to make them viscerally hate whomever it is that the right-wing noise machine wants them to hate.
The right-wing noise machine is a juggernaut, funded by the super rich, without which the right wing would have trouble finding votes.
The left-wing noise machine is a rusty, beat-down tricycle with two flat tires, funded by… not much.
September 24, 2015 at 2:41 PM #789593GuestPoorgrad, I agree.
I still think Hillary is treated unfairly compared to her male counterparts especially regarding her looks and her wardrobe.
I think left leaning people are more empathetic generally. Me, I value being tough because that’s what it takes to make it to the top. Maybe I can identify with the Clintons. When I was a college student I was more hippish. Now, I’m more establishment, just like them.
But yes, Bill oozes charisma. He’s reckless. Hillary is more cold, calculating for good reasons.
September 30, 2015 at 2:14 PM #789695GuestThis story about Melania Trump ties nicely with the issue of immigration.
So Melania was able to move to NY from Europe to work as a model. What kind of visa did she immigrate under? H1-b? O1 extraordinary ability visa?
Could someone have argued that no American women could do her job? Kinda funny, huh?
October 2, 2015 at 1:50 PM #789698GuestThis is a good read on the history of republican populism.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/roger-milliken-republican-party-history-213212
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