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October 20, 2017 at 4:48 PM #808212October 20, 2017 at 7:54 PM #808213
SK in CV
Participant[quote=svelte][quote=FlyerInHi]
What’s wrong with Trump and his people telling lies and digging deeper.
Just apologize to Miesha, Johnson’s widow, and say she misunderstood the intent of Trump’s words.[/quote]Impossible, that would have been the smart thing to do. :-)[/quote]
That would be the Trump way to apologize. To put the onus on the gold star wife. Apologize and still make her responsible. Though he’ll never do that either. The respectful way to apologize would be to accept responsibility for not making himself clear. That he made the mistake, not her.
October 21, 2017 at 12:33 AM #808214FlyerInHi
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That would be the Trump way to apologize. To put the onus on the gold star wife. Apologize and still make her responsible. Though he’ll never do that either. The respectful way to apologize would be to accept responsibility for not making himself clear. That he made the mistake, not her.[/quote]You’re too smart SK. Powerful men never apologize and take responsibility at the same time because that would make them losers and liable. And even when they pay out a settlement, it’s only in an effort on their part to amicably resolve a dispute.
January 13, 2018 at 11:22 AM #808991GuestI’m learning that the Trump way is not that bad as long as you can stay at the top.
Because Trump is now president, because he represents the Republican Party and the country, he will always have defenders.Out of self preservation, our institutions, our country do not want a disgraced president so we will protect Trump.
I’ve also learned that if you live in a nice place and have nice things, it’s perfectly normal and American to consider other places shitholes. That’s how a “normal” guy talks and feels.
January 13, 2018 at 2:45 PM #808994phaster
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
…because he represents the Republican Party and the country, he will always have defenders.Out of self preservation, our institutions, our country do not want a disgraced president so we will protect Trump.
I’ve also learned that if you live in a nice place and have nice things, it’s perfectly normal and American to consider other places shitholes. That’s how a “normal” guy talks and feels.[/quote]
#SADLY the concept of politically protecting “those of our own kind” is a part of popular political lore,… or simply stated
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He [Trump] may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitchhttp://www.quotationspage.com/quote/30107.html
[/quote]as to the “shithole” perspective,… FWIW on occasion I find myself in some pretty posh places that are exclusive and require one to make it past staff that function as riff raff filter,… anyway from what I’ve seen first hand, ultra fancy surroundings w/ staff in place to filter out those that don’t belong, doesen’t mean there won’t be some really dumb $hit heads present,…just sayin
anyway anyone else take some timeout for “fire and fury”
I was intrigued enough to read the book,… and my own take on the topic is there is nothing really new (just a variation of old themes)
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…First, most adults have learned to sit still. But mentally, Trump is still a 7-year-old boy who is bouncing around the classroom. Trump’s answers in these interviews are not very long — 200 words at the high end — but he will typically flit through four or five topics before ending up with how unfair the press is to him.His inability to focus his attention makes it hard for him to learn and master facts. He is ill informed about his own policies and tramples his own talking points. It makes it hard to control his mouth.
…Second, most people of drinking age have achieved some accurate sense of themselves, some internal criteria to measure their own merits and demerits. But Trump seems to need perpetual outside approval to stabilize his sense of self, so he is perpetually desperate for approval, telling heroic fabulist tales about himself.
…Third, by adulthood most people can perceive how others are thinking… But Trump seems to have not yet developed a theory of mind.
[/quote]As for the latest,…
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Lawyer paid $130k to silence adult-film star over sexual encounter with Trump: reportwhy go to movies to watch a drama, when there is real world “news” $hit that I would not have believed if it was part of plot line in a low budget soap opera (or comedy)
January 13, 2018 at 3:41 PM #808995scaredyclassic
Participant130k seems so low.
Will be nice when trump dies. Big street parties.
How long before after trumps death does he gets rehabilitated , like Nixon? Will prolly be revered like Reagan in 2060. If there’s still a usa
January 13, 2018 at 4:53 PM #808996zk
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]130k seems so low.
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I was thinking the opposite.
First off, I don’t care that he boned a porn star while he was married and paid her to keep quiet. He’s done many horrible things that were important; this wasn’t one of them.
She, on the other hand, should be embarrassed. If I were her, I’d pay HIM to to keep quiet.
January 14, 2018 at 1:25 PM #809002Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
130k seems so low.Will be nice when trump dies. Big street parties.
How long before after trumps death does he gets rehabilitated , like Nixon? Will prolly be revered like Reagan in 2060. If there’s still a usa[/quote]
trump’s political reign, and legacy,… akin to the emperor caligula?
January 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM #809004njtosd
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]130k seems so low.
Will be nice when trump dies. Big street parties.
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I’m not saying that he’s any good, but do you think we’d get someone better? How is it that Americans are fascinated with celebrities (Trump was in a sense), such as Oprah, as Presidential candidates? I kept thinking that after Trump there might be a pendulum swing back toward a Democratic candidate more like Jimmy Carter (minus the Billy Beer, etc.).
January 15, 2018 at 9:29 AM #809005Participantoh wait. i forgot.
we are doomed.
January 15, 2018 at 9:49 AM #809006Participant[quote=njtosd]
I’m not saying that he’s any good, but do you think we’d get someone better? [/quote]It seems impossible to me that we wouldn’t. I mean, who would be worse?
I met a dude with Down Syndrome the other day. Really nice fella. He’d be better than trump. I saw a homeless lady this morning. I think she’s an alcoholic. She’d probably be better than trump. Oprah is a fool who has her head three feet up her own ass and promotes quack doctors. She’d be terrible, but better than trump. I know a couple 7th grade kids who would be way, way, way better than trump.
Stephen Miller might be worse. Maybe. No, probably not. No, I can’t think of a single person in the United States who would be a worse president than donald trump. He’s the king shithole. He’s King Shithole. And he wants to be Dictator Shithole.
I agree that Americans’ fascination with celebrities is stupid. But I don’t think it’s terminal. I think we can find somebody worthy. We need somebody reasonable, intelligent, knowledgeable, wise, strong, and at least somewhat charismatic (or at least persuasive and good with people). Someone who can create and sell a positive message. Someone like Barack Obama. Are people like him really that rare? I don’t believe they are. Although that belief is fading as this country struggles to find worthy leaders.
January 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM #809007Guest[quote=zk]
Someone like Barack Obama. Are people like him really that rare? I don’t believe they are. Although that belief is fading as this country struggles to find worthy leaders.[/quote]Obama is intelligent, intellectually curious, thoughtful, deliberate and he knows policy. But he’s black. That’s why 1/2 the population dislikes him.
The old white male dominated order is coming to an end. Women are going to college more. Women and minorities are demanding equal pay and equal opportunity.
Ironically, merit based immigration will accelerate the undoing of the old order.I watched the whole 1 hour meeting Trump held with congressional leaders over immigration. The guy is a dumbass. He does not understand nor has he any interest in policy.
January 15, 2018 at 10:47 AM #809008Guest[quote=scaredyclassic]oh wait. i forgot.
we are doomed.[/quote]
The current flaw in our system is that we elect badass dumbasses.
I heard a professor say China’s system actually elevates the most intelligent,
proven leaders. Technocrats who know how to make things work. What held China back before was that revolution brought uneducated peasants to power; but they got over that.January 15, 2018 at 1:02 PM #809009Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
. . .Obama is intelligent, intellectually curious, thoughtful, deliberate and he knows policy. But he’s black. That’s why 1/2 the population dislikes him.
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That makes for a fun sound bite, but is it true? I mentioned Jimmy Carter in an earlier post. Very intelligent, intellectually curious (graduated from Annapolis), deliberate and, in my opinion, had more of a devotion to the common good that Barack Obama (for example, his work for Habitat for Humanity, etc.). But after a single term, he lost in a landslide to Reagan (Oprah equivalent), with Reagan receiving the highest number of electoral votes ever won by a non-incumbent presidential candidate. Carter was ridiculed at an alarming rate, with Saturday Night Live even making fun of Amy Carter (which they also did with Chelsea Clinton but have removed in later reruns). http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/first-daughter-attacks-sasha-malia-chelsea-clinton.html
I really think that the animosity is *toward* being intelligent and deliberate. The average American (and apparently the average Russian and the average Brit and who knows who else) likes the bravado, false or otherwise. It makes them feel good. Intellectual arguments and justifications do not tend to give people good feelings. It’s why people eschew proven medical treatments in favor of snake oil. But the question is – how do you fix it?
January 15, 2018 at 1:05 PM #809010Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
I heard a professor say China’s system actually elevates the most intelligent,
proven leaders. [/quote]Or it kills them, depending on the day.
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