Toyota in the news again

[svelte]

[quote=flu][quote=svelte]Toyota has found the source of the breaking springs…contaminants in the metal:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/06/report-lexus-knew-of-valve-spring-defects-three-years-ago/

So the solution they choose? It’s not removing the contaminants from the process…it’s to install bigger springs![/quote]

You know svelte. I’m just going to be like a waiting hawk here. After GM IPO’s, and after GM screws up (again, which they will)… I’m going to be laughing my ass off…. again…..
[/quote]

I never said GM was a golden child, so I’m not sure why you’ll be laughing.

My point has always been that Toyota is not the golden child that so many have believed!

As for the DOT finding that most of the sudden acceleration issues are driver error, well then that begs another question.

Since Toyota’s sudden acceleration rate is higher than many other companies, does that suggest Toyota drivers have, shall we say, poorer motor skills than average?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu]http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/13/breaking-wsj-says-crash-data-points-to-pedal-misapplication-in/

Can you say, audi-ish witch hunt?

BREAKING: WSJ says crash data points to pedal misapplication in Toyota sudden acceleration cases

After receiving more than 3,000 reports of sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles, the U.S. Department of Transportation has concluded that driver error was actually at fault. According to The Wall Street Journal, investigators analyzing different data recorders from Toyota vehicles found that at the time of these sudden acceleration crashes, the throttles were wide open rather and the brakes were not depressed. Thus, they have reason to believe that drivers were mistakenly stomping on the accelerator rather than slamming the brakes in an attempt to avoid these crashes.

Of the 75 fatal crashes blamed on sudden acceleration, only one incident has actually been verified as being caused by vehicle fault – the Lexus ES350 accident that killed a California highway patrolman and three other passengers last August. Even so, this case was chalked up as an incident where the floor mat trapped the gas pedal, which Toyota quickly issued a recall for.[/quote]

flu, all you have wrote here is exactly what I have been suspecting all along. I am VERY familiar with the facts of the SD County case and believe it to be caused by a wrongly-placed, improperly-fitting floor mat which trapped the gas pedal under it.

I find it ridiculous the lengths that Toyota felt they had to go to to salvage their reputation due to excessive media hype when all the facts regarding these “copycat” allegations weren’t yet “fleshed out.”

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu]http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/13/breaking-wsj-says-crash-data-points-to-pedal-misapplication-in/

Can you say, audi-ish witch hunt?

BREAKING: WSJ says crash data points to pedal misapplication in Toyota sudden acceleration cases

After receiving more than 3,000 reports of sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles, the U.S. Department of Transportation has concluded that driver error was actually at fault. According to The Wall Street Journal, investigators analyzing different data recorders from Toyota vehicles found that at the time of these sudden acceleration crashes, the throttles were wide open rather and the brakes were not depressed. Thus, they have reason to believe that drivers were mistakenly stomping on the accelerator rather than slamming the brakes in an attempt to avoid these crashes.

Of the 75 fatal crashes blamed on sudden acceleration, only one incident has actually been verified as being caused by vehicle fault – the Lexus ES350 accident that killed a California highway patrolman and three other passengers last August. Even so, this case was chalked up as an incident where the floor mat trapped the gas pedal, which Toyota quickly issued a recall for.[/quote]

flu, all you have wrote here is exactly what I have been suspecting all along. I am VERY familiar with the facts of the SD County case and believe it to be caused by a wrongly-placed, improperly-fitting floor mat which trapped the gas pedal under it.

I find it ridiculous the lengths that Toyota felt they had to go to to salvage their reputation due to excessive media hype when all the facts regarding these “copycat” allegations weren’t yet “fleshed out.”

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu]http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/13/breaking-wsj-says-crash-data-points-to-pedal-misapplication-in/

Can you say, audi-ish witch hunt?

BREAKING: WSJ says crash data points to pedal misapplication in Toyota sudden acceleration cases

After receiving more than 3,000 reports of sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles, the U.S. Department of Transportation has concluded that driver error was actually at fault. According to The Wall Street Journal, investigators analyzing different data recorders from Toyota vehicles found that at the time of these sudden acceleration crashes, the throttles were wide open rather and the brakes were not depressed. Thus, they have reason to believe that drivers were mistakenly stomping on the accelerator rather than slamming the brakes in an attempt to avoid these crashes.

Of the 75 fatal crashes blamed on sudden acceleration, only one incident has actually been verified as being caused by vehicle fault – the Lexus ES350 accident that killed a California highway patrolman and three other passengers last August. Even so, this case was chalked up as an incident where the floor mat trapped the gas pedal, which Toyota quickly issued a recall for.[/quote]

flu, all you have wrote here is exactly what I have been suspecting all along. I am VERY familiar with the facts of the SD County case and believe it to be caused by a wrongly-placed, improperly-fitting floor mat which trapped the gas pedal under it.

I find it ridiculous the lengths that Toyota felt they had to go to to salvage their reputation due to excessive media hype when all the facts regarding these “copycat” allegations weren’t yet “fleshed out.”

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu]http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/13/breaking-wsj-says-crash-data-points-to-pedal-misapplication-in/

Can you say, audi-ish witch hunt?

BREAKING: WSJ says crash data points to pedal misapplication in Toyota sudden acceleration cases

After receiving more than 3,000 reports of sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles, the U.S. Department of Transportation has concluded that driver error was actually at fault. According to The Wall Street Journal, investigators analyzing different data recorders from Toyota vehicles found that at the time of these sudden acceleration crashes, the throttles were wide open rather and the brakes were not depressed. Thus, they have reason to believe that drivers were mistakenly stomping on the accelerator rather than slamming the brakes in an attempt to avoid these crashes.

Of the 75 fatal crashes blamed on sudden acceleration, only one incident has actually been verified as being caused by vehicle fault – the Lexus ES350 accident that killed a California highway patrolman and three other passengers last August. Even so, this case was chalked up as an incident where the floor mat trapped the gas pedal, which Toyota quickly issued a recall for.[/quote]

flu, all you have wrote here is exactly what I have been suspecting all along. I am VERY familiar with the facts of the SD County case and believe it to be caused by a wrongly-placed, improperly-fitting floor mat which trapped the gas pedal under it.

I find it ridiculous the lengths that Toyota felt they had to go to to salvage their reputation due to excessive media hype when all the facts regarding these “copycat” allegations weren’t yet “fleshed out.”

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu]http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/13/breaking-wsj-says-crash-data-points-to-pedal-misapplication-in/

Can you say, audi-ish witch hunt?

BREAKING: WSJ says crash data points to pedal misapplication in Toyota sudden acceleration cases

After receiving more than 3,000 reports of sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles, the U.S. Department of Transportation has concluded that driver error was actually at fault. According to The Wall Street Journal, investigators analyzing different data recorders from Toyota vehicles found that at the time of these sudden acceleration crashes, the throttles were wide open rather and the brakes were not depressed. Thus, they have reason to believe that drivers were mistakenly stomping on the accelerator rather than slamming the brakes in an attempt to avoid these crashes.

Of the 75 fatal crashes blamed on sudden acceleration, only one incident has actually been verified as being caused by vehicle fault – the Lexus ES350 accident that killed a California highway patrolman and three other passengers last August. Even so, this case was chalked up as an incident where the floor mat trapped the gas pedal, which Toyota quickly issued a recall for.[/quote]

flu, all you have wrote here is exactly what I have been suspecting all along. I am VERY familiar with the facts of the SD County case and believe it to be caused by a wrongly-placed, improperly-fitting floor mat which trapped the gas pedal under it.

I find it ridiculous the lengths that Toyota felt they had to go to to salvage their reputation due to excessive media hype when all the facts regarding these “copycat” allegations weren’t yet “fleshed out.”

[briansd1]

Notwithstanding the PR problems, the resale value of Toyotas has not suffered one bit.

My friend back East is trying to buy a newer, used, plain-vanilla, 4 cyl Toyota truck with extended cab. They are impossible to find. She may have to find a Nissan instead.

She bought a house and needs a truck for buying things. It’s always good to have access to a truck when you need it.

[briansd1]

Notwithstanding the PR problems, the resale value of Toyotas has not suffered one bit.

My friend back East is trying to buy a newer, used, plain-vanilla, 4 cyl Toyota truck with extended cab. They are impossible to find. She may have to find a Nissan instead.

She bought a house and needs a truck for buying things. It’s always good to have access to a truck when you need it.

[briansd1]

Notwithstanding the PR problems, the resale value of Toyotas has not suffered one bit.

My friend back East is trying to buy a newer, used, plain-vanilla, 4 cyl Toyota truck with extended cab. They are impossible to find. She may have to find a Nissan instead.

She bought a house and needs a truck for buying things. It’s always good to have access to a truck when you need it.

[briansd1]

Notwithstanding the PR problems, the resale value of Toyotas has not suffered one bit.

My friend back East is trying to buy a newer, used, plain-vanilla, 4 cyl Toyota truck with extended cab. They are impossible to find. She may have to find a Nissan instead.

She bought a house and needs a truck for buying things. It’s always good to have access to a truck when you need it.

[briansd1]

Notwithstanding the PR problems, the resale value of Toyotas has not suffered one bit.

My friend back East is trying to buy a newer, used, plain-vanilla, 4 cyl Toyota truck with extended cab. They are impossible to find. She may have to find a Nissan instead.

She bought a house and needs a truck for buying things. It’s always good to have access to a truck when you need it.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu][quote=svelte]Toyota has found the source of the breaking springs…contaminants in the metal:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/06/report-lexus-knew-of-valve-spring-defects-three-years-ago/

So the solution they choose? It’s not removing the contaminants from the process…it’s to install bigger springs![/quote]

You know svelte. I’m just going to be like a waiting hawk here. After GM IPO’s, and after GM screws up (again, which they will)… I’m going to be laughing my ass off…. again…..
[/quote]

I never said GM was a golden child, so I’m not sure why you’ll be laughing.

My point has always been that Toyota is not the golden child that so many have believed!

As for the DOT finding that most of the sudden acceleration issues are driver error, well then that begs another question.

Since Toyota’s sudden acceleration rate is higher than many other companies, does that suggest Toyota drivers have, shall we say, poorer motor skills than average?[/quote]

I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu][quote=svelte]Toyota has found the source of the breaking springs…contaminants in the metal:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/06/report-lexus-knew-of-valve-spring-defects-three-years-ago/

So the solution they choose? It’s not removing the contaminants from the process…it’s to install bigger springs![/quote]

You know svelte. I’m just going to be like a waiting hawk here. After GM IPO’s, and after GM screws up (again, which they will)… I’m going to be laughing my ass off…. again…..
[/quote]

I never said GM was a golden child, so I’m not sure why you’ll be laughing.

My point has always been that Toyota is not the golden child that so many have believed!

As for the DOT finding that most of the sudden acceleration issues are driver error, well then that begs another question.

Since Toyota’s sudden acceleration rate is higher than many other companies, does that suggest Toyota drivers have, shall we say, poorer motor skills than average?[/quote]

I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu][quote=svelte]Toyota has found the source of the breaking springs…contaminants in the metal:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/06/report-lexus-knew-of-valve-spring-defects-three-years-ago/

So the solution they choose? It’s not removing the contaminants from the process…it’s to install bigger springs![/quote]

You know svelte. I’m just going to be like a waiting hawk here. After GM IPO’s, and after GM screws up (again, which they will)… I’m going to be laughing my ass off…. again…..
[/quote]

I never said GM was a golden child, so I’m not sure why you’ll be laughing.

My point has always been that Toyota is not the golden child that so many have believed!

As for the DOT finding that most of the sudden acceleration issues are driver error, well then that begs another question.

Since Toyota’s sudden acceleration rate is higher than many other companies, does that suggest Toyota drivers have, shall we say, poorer motor skills than average?[/quote]

I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu][quote=svelte]Toyota has found the source of the breaking springs…contaminants in the metal:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/06/report-lexus-knew-of-valve-spring-defects-three-years-ago/

So the solution they choose? It’s not removing the contaminants from the process…it’s to install bigger springs![/quote]

You know svelte. I’m just going to be like a waiting hawk here. After GM IPO’s, and after GM screws up (again, which they will)… I’m going to be laughing my ass off…. again…..
[/quote]

I never said GM was a golden child, so I’m not sure why you’ll be laughing.

My point has always been that Toyota is not the golden child that so many have believed!

As for the DOT finding that most of the sudden acceleration issues are driver error, well then that begs another question.

Since Toyota’s sudden acceleration rate is higher than many other companies, does that suggest Toyota drivers have, shall we say, poorer motor skills than average?[/quote]

I think all that has been proven from DOT is

1)Bob Baker Toyota stuck an improperly sized floormat into a car that eventually caused a pedal to stick (partly because of pseudo-poor clearance in pedal)

2)2999 others are ambulance chasers who were either trying to capitalize on an unfortunately situation or were just in denial that they stepped on the wrong pedal or both…IF there’s anything else to be proven, is that many americans will stoop to great length to extort money from someone/something else and not feel one sense of guilt/ethics about it and/or not accept personal responsibility….No surprise, looking also at the housing message… No wonder lawyers do so well in this country….

3)You have probably GM/Ford/UAW probably launching a campaign to blow this thing out of the proportion, with the help of a “professor” from that was also funded by GM.

Now if toyota would go after some of those ambulance chaser for fraud, that would just be icing on the cake….Not that I really like toyota….It’s just those fraudsters/ambulance chasers really out to be taught a less, just like those people that tried putting a syringe into pepsi cans…..Toyota can start with that James Wilkes character.

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