Off topic “coronavirus”

[FlyerInHi]

In the short term It’s very easy to find out how government works in USA.
Who will pay for Covid tests, treatment and vaccine? Are we going to give free drive-through test? If not you can bet a large percent of the population will go without and continue to spread the virus.

How about the undocumented immigrants who work in the service sector?

Anyway, as I said before, we so do deserve Trump and his competence. We don’t “deserve” the virus. But as a country, we do deserve Trump’s management of the virus.

[spdrun]

Trump was bad, Cuomo wasn’t much better. Moderate social distancing measures, encouraging MTA employees and riders to wear masks (rather than forbidding employees from wearing masks), and public education starting in mid-February would have likely averted the outbreak to the point that drastic measures wouldn’t have been needed. Everyone (including European governments) did too little, too late.

The only countries that were on point were South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc, and that was because they learned the hard way with SARS in 2003.

[Coronita]

It would helpful if we had a more accurate count from China so that the rest of the world would be able to estimate better how long and how extensive a lockdown would be needed, as now, no one is believing China’s numbers anymore, as expected were unbelievably low.

[spdrun]

Was China’s lockdown primarily for public health reasons or to hide how many people died? People welded into their homes can’t see troops carting off bodies and burning them.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]Was China’s lockdown primarily for public health reasons or to hide how many people died? People welded into their homes can’t see troops carting off bodies and burning them.[/quote]

Who cares? Their lockdown worked for them.

It’s our responsibility to do what’s right for us and for the world, regardless of what China does.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Coronita]It would helpful if we had a more accurate count from China so that the rest of the world would be able to estimate better how long and how extensive a lockdown would be needed, as now, no one is believing China’s numbers anymore, as expected were unbelievably low.

[/quote]

Wouldn’t it just be easier for our own leaders to listen to our Numero Uno CIA. Why do we even need numbers from China? That’s especially true since people have been warning for decades that china’s numbers are not trustworthy. We had plenty of warning.

Even here, ocrenter said we need to multiple China’s number by X. Our leaders couldn’t do that?

The C.I.A. has been warning the White House since at least early February that China has vastly understated its coronavirus infections and that its count could not be relied upon as the United States compiles predictive models to fight the virus, according to current and former intelligence officials.

[spdrun]

It actually worked poorly … a lot of people left Wuhan because of rumors of impending lockdown, causing the virus to spread. If it had “worked”, France, the US, Italy, etc wouldn’t be in the shit right now.

There’s no evidence that a less-than-complete lockdown would have worked any less without the gross abuse of civil liberties. Cases in parts of the US where there’s been a less-than-complete lockdown (basically, places of public assembly closed) are flattening as I write this.

[FlyerInHi]

It’s true that many Europeans worked in Wuhan. And they left because their governments told them to and even sent planes to take them out.

Philippe Klein is a French doctor who runs the international hospital in Wuhan. He stayed in Wuhan. He’s been warning the French government to take drastic measures.

[ltsddd]

[quote=spdrun]Trump was bad, Cuomo wasn’t much better. [/quote]

…and De Blasio was even more awful for being stubborn about closing down the schools. I wonder if that’s the difference between California vs New York’s infection trajectory (well, then there’s the crowded subway also).

[sdduuuude]

[quote=ltsddd][quote=spdrun]Trump was bad, Cuomo wasn’t much better. [/quote]

…and De Blasio was even more awful for being stubborn about closing down the schools. I wonder if that’s the difference between California vs New York’s infection trajectory (well, then there’s the crowded subway also).[/quote]

I’d guess that population density, weather, local social habits and tendencies, pre-exiting test kits and pre-existing hospital capacity drive the spread significantly more than the government’s reaction or orders. Data provided by the CDC certainly helps but everyone pretty much has access to the same info.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=zk]The first step would be to vote out incompetents and vote in people who are reasonable, intelligent, thoughtful, cool-headed, etc. and who care about the country more than they care about themselves or their party. [/quote]

Someone like that would have to run first. Still waiting.

[svelte]

I get New York CV cases being high.

New Jersey is NYC – adjacent so it is high.

I get Lousiana being high after Mardi Gras.

Why are Michigan CV cases and deaths so high?

[spdrun]

did it spread through factories? how many of those factories had Chinese supplier reps visiting in the last few months?

[Coronita]

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[outtamojo]

So apparently we need to mask tigers and lions too https://news.yahoo.com/tiger-nycs-bronx-zoo-tests-205150772.html

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