Off topic “coronavirus”

[svelte]

[quote=The-Shoveler]There are likely Huge numbers of unreported positive cases.
We need a test for covid-19 anti-bodies more than the other way around at this point.
We may be much closer to herd immunity than we think.

Likely Covid-19 has been circulating in SoCal since December.[/quote]

I’m hoping you’re right. That would be the best case scenario at this point.

[Coronita]

[quote=The-Shoveler]There are likely Huge numbers of unreported positive cases.
We need a test for covid-19 anti-bodies more than the other way around at this point.
We may be much closer to herd immunity than we think.

Likely Covid-19 has been circulating in SoCal since December.[/quote]

I mentioned this earlier. My colleagues at my old company went back and forth between here and china all during december, and towards early january all came down with something worse than a flu, but their flu tests all came back negative.
104-105 fever, dry cough, difficult breathing. 2-3 weeks later, for them it passed, and some of their colleague got the same thing. Back then in early January, there was no coronavirus test here in the states as generally in the states we were clueless about the severity of this virus, partly due to China’s denial there was a problem. Most likely those colleagues had the coronavirus and gave it to everyone else in that group and their respective families. Now, in March, they asked if they can get tested, but there isn’t a way here in the states to test for antibodies, and even if there were, it too much time might have already passed.

[FlyerInHi]

Come to think of it, maybe I have herd immunity already.
I did go to many buffets around Christmas, New Year and Chinese New Year. I did get a little sick with body aches, but no fever. I’m the type of person who never gets sick much. And when I do get sick, I just take some aspirin and plow right through it with normal daily stuff.

[FlyerInHi]

I am sure there is official obfuscation in China.

But think of it this way…. why are Apple stores open in China but closed in USA? Apple is the richest company and they employ the best risk consulting firms in the world. Apple is able to source 10 million masks while the US government cannot.

[outtamojo]

[quote=Coronita][quote=The-Shoveler]There are likely Huge numbers of unreported positive cases.
We need a test for covid-19 anti-bodies more than the other way around at this point.
We may be much closer to herd immunity than we think.

Likely Covid-19 has been circulating in SoCal since December.[/quote]

I mentioned this earlier. My colleagues at my old company went back and forth between here and china all during december, and towards early january all came down with something worse than a flu, but their flu tests all came back negative.
104-105 fever, dry cough, difficult breathing. 2-3 weeks later, for them it passed, and some of their colleague got the same thing. Back then in early January, there was no coronavirus test here in the states as generally in the states we were clueless about the severity of this virus, partly due to China’s denial there was a problem. Most likely those colleagues had the coronavirus and gave it to everyone else in that group and their respective families. Now, in March, they asked if they can get tested, but there isn’t a way here in the states to test for antibodies, and even if there were, it too much time might have already passed.[/quote]

The antibodies should persist for some time. Some studies show the SARS antibodies persist for at least 12 years.

[FlyerInHi]

According to the law, the assistant secretary for preparedness is supposed to be in charge. Who the hell is he? Anyone know?

In 2006, Congress went further by passing the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (PAHPA).

Just last year, President Trump signed into law updates to PAHPA, the bipartisan legislation we worked on that guides federal readiness and response policies and outlines clear leadership roles to address public health threats.

PAHPA created the position of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response at HHS so there is no question whose responsibility it is to ensure our country is ready to respond to these types of emergencies.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/coronavirus-prevention-steps-the-u-s-government-is-taking-to-protect-you-sen-alexander-and-sen-burr

[FlyerInHi]

Looks like the Office for Preparedness and Response is unfilled. We are so well prepared!

https://www.hhs.gov/about/agencies/orgchart/aspr/index.html

[Coronita]

email sent to me in my circle. I have not confirmed it yet, but overall good hygiene suggestions.

I spray down all my packages I get.

[quote]
The following is from a physician, whose daughter is an Asst. Prof in infectious diseases at Johns Hopkins University, quite informative.

* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (and RNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have torub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
– 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).
But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

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[ucodegen]

Sorry Coronita, I have to correct some of what you put up;

The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (and RNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

It is and isn’t a living organism. It does not have mitochondria to produce energy, does not take in energy. Its only purpose is to reproduce. It has no intelligence.
The description of of the lipid structure is roughly correct. Not all viruses are mutagenic(causes mutations). The path of replication of viruses tends not to be through mutation. Viruses can hijack the ability of the cell to reproduce (gets transcript-ed as if it were valid cell commands) There are viruses that are mutagenic, including chickenpox, herpes , HPV, HTLV-1 and possibly Zika. These will actually alter your DNA. The basis for this behavior is being used in gene-therapy.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&q=gene-therapy+viral+splicing

Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

Yes and no – depends upon environment. The lipid virus wall is vulnerable to oxidation (time/temp/humidity dependant). A disturbing item I saw on SARS which is also a related CoronaVirus – is that it will survive on a brass doorknob for up to 2 hours. This is significant because copper and zinc are both known to kill bacteria and viruses – brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. SARS will last longer than a day on stainless steel. NOTE: Viruses and bacteria don’t last as long on wood as they do on stainless steel. This is because wood contains tannic acid, which has anti-viral, antibiotic behavior – but any significant quantities of tannic acid are toxic to humans.

HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

Ummm.. lipids are not the thick coagulated fats that you see on meats. They are essentially oils (which if cooled down enough – will form something that looks like fats) Increased temperature increases solubility of compounds in water as well makes chemical reactions faster and occur more easily (notice that cars don’t ping under load in cold air – but do if it is hot outside). Foam has nothing to do with the reaction. Foam is from surfactants being aerated. Surfactants reduce surface tension and ease mixing. What is important is getting the soap thoroughly onto all surfaces (authorities are probably associating it with foam because it is easy for lay-people to visualize/understand). Best process is to dampen hands, apply soap (no more water), work hands well in soap with little water – then rinse. Look at surgeon’s wash-prep procedure videos. NOTE: HE(High Efficiency) washers generally can’t use soaps with high surfactants, that is why they use different clothes detergents – yet they wash clothes even better than the old style clothes washer. Put the soap meant for old time washers in an HE washer – and you got bubble hell.

Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

(How does the bleach get ‘inside’?) Bleach will break apart DNA and RNA (the reason why criminals use it to ‘anonymize’ blood stains.). It also reacts with the lipid boundaries making them unstable – incomplete research here, but involves bleach dissociated to hypochlorous acid then reacting with the Lipids forming Lipid Chlorohydrins with the lipid boundary becoming unstable. You have to be careful of the type of chlorine we are talking about in terms of dilution.

Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

Oxygenated water is NOT water with hydrogen peroxide in it. Oxygenated water does nothing in terms of dissolving the virus, or inactivating the virus. Hydrogen Peroxide breaks down two different ways when mixed in water. It becomes two molecules of HO (very reactive oxydizer) or a molecule of water and one H+ (also very reactive). Both will damage both the lipid boundary as well as the DNA/RNA strands themselves. NOTE: Hydrogen Peroxide bleach(no chlorine therefore color safe) is better than chlorine bleach for removing mildew smell – it breaks apart spores too!. DON’T mix Chlorine and Hydrogen Peroxide – the result is Toxic Gas.

NOTE: UV light is a very good sterilizer… the hospitals are now using a surface sterilizer for rooms that uses UV light at levels that can be toxic to humans.
https://www.uvccleaningsystems.com/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151007125740.htm

[Coronita]

that’s perfectly fine. I had not had a chance to go through each thing and was hoping someone would go through that and comment. Glad you did. I get so much email about Coronavirus, it’s getting tough to figure out what’s real and what isn’t. Heat and warm temps might not really slow this down, unfortunately. It’s over 90 in India, and unfortunately it doesn’t appear India isn’t impacted by cv too.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=Coronita] It’s over 90 in India, and unfortunately it doesn’t appear India isn’t impacted by cv too.[/quote]

Given India proximity and population I think they have relativity few cases so far.

[ucodegen]

[quote=Coronita]that’s perfectly fine. I had not had a chance to go through each thing and was hoping someone would go through that and comment. Glad you did. I get so much email about Coronavirus, it’s getting tough to figure out what’s real and what isn’t. Heat and warm temps might not really slow this down, unfortunately. It’s over 90 in India, and unfortunately it doesn’t appear India isn’t impacted by cv too.[/quote]
We don’t know yet. Considering Iran is also on the warm side, and it’s death-rate/test-positive is about 6.8% to our 1.7% and they have more total deaths than the United States at 2,640 to our 2,112; I wouldn’t put too much stock in temperature actually slowing this thing down.

I also suspect that Iran’s numbers may be poor sampling. Considering the poor testing across the board – including the CDC’s decision that they should primarily test those that look like they have the disease, it is hard to trust any of the numbers. No body knows how many people are largely symptomatic – going through the disease as feeling the ‘blahs’. I suspect that Germany and South Korea have done the best job in sample-testing. I don’t think the testing in both of these nations was compulsory – so they don’t have a true stochastic sample (truly random – representing the state of the population).

[The-Shoveler]

Tehran is actually considerably colder than SoCal in winter.

[Gunslinger]

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

Matthew 25:41

Come over to the right my brethren. Salvation awaits

[svelte]

[quote=Gunslinger]“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

Matthew 25:41

Come over to the right my brethren. Salvation awaits[/quote]

Our father high in heaven, smile down upon your son
Who’s busy with his money games, his women and his gun
Oh Jesus save me

And the unsung Western hero, killed an Indian or three,
And then he made his name in Hollywood
To set the white man free
Oh Jesus save me

If Jesus saves, well He’d better save Himself
From the gory glory seekers who use His name in death
Oh Jesus save me

– Ian Anderson

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